Ravi
Diamond Member
Allie, why are you going to all this trouble to excuse gay bashers?
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Sure it does. If they know the kid will suffer, they have a choice to be childless, and they choose to have a child anyway. That's putting the child second.
It isn't particular to gay parents, but it's a fact nonetheless.
What are you suggesting? That gays who get pregnant should abort? Being the child of a rape victim and born of that rape can't be any picnic either, yet you applaud rape victims who chose not to abort. You say having the child helps them feel whole again, as if having a child is some kind of therapy. Now if that isn't a selfish reason to bring a baby into this world, I don't know what is.
Allie, why are you going to all this trouble to excuse gay bashers?
Where do you come up with this stuff? When did I defend gay bashers? Go ahead, run along now and look that up, because I'm really curious.
I'm focusing on your parents because YOU brought them up after YOU made the assumption that I hated gays and after YOU said you were familiar with my "ilk" because your parents were gay.
We're talking about your parents because you used them while trying to paint me as a hater of gays. Which I'm not. Now we're talking about your parents because Ravir is whining around that I'm some sort of heartless puke because I believe when anyone chooses their own desires over what they know to be best for their kids, it's a selfish choice.
Good grief. If you didn't want them brought into it, you shouldn't have beat me over the head with them.
A good example of what having gay parents will do to a kid.
You're hostile, confused, and neurotic. Don't blame me.
She quoted an article about how many rape victims choose to go through with the pregnancy and how good it was for those who did and how one rape victim who aborted, later felt that the abortion fucked her up emotionally more than the rape did.She really said that?
What are you suggesting? That gays who get pregnant should abort? Being the child of a rape victim and born of that rape can't be any picnic either, yet you applaud rape victims who chose not to abort. You say having the child helps them feel whole again, as if having a child is some kind of therapy. Now if that isn't a selfish reason to bring a baby into this world, I don't know what is.
Oh, Ravir...how's the search for my "justification" for gay bashing going?
She quoted an article about how many rape victims choose to go through with the pregnancy and how good it was for those who did and how one rape victim who aborted, later felt that the abortion fucked her up emotionally more than the rape did.
When I gave the example of a woman I knew who was talked out of an abortion who felt she was fucked up emotionally by not having the abortion, Allie went ape shit.
Because YOU said that I should experience hate. I have, thanks.
I didn't. I said it to make a point, YOU took it further and brought your opinions about my parents into it when you said:
And yes, it IS your "ilk" that bashes gays. Its not the liberals who give me shit, it never was. Its always the Republicans and Conservatives who want to bash me and my parents, all the while tripping over their feet to say that despite their condemnation, they aren't homophobic
Because YOU said that I should experience hate. I have, thanks.
I didn't. I said it to make a point, YOU took it further and brought your opinions about my parents into it when you said:
And yes, it IS your "ilk" that bashes gays. Its not the liberals who give me shit, it never was. Its always the Republicans and Conservatives who want to bash me and my parents, all the while tripping over their feet to say that despite their condemnation, they aren't homophobic
Just curious, Larkinn, did other kids give you a hard time over it? I'm not sure how old you are.
I had a discussion similar to this one a little while ago with a friend who insisted gays should not be allowed to adopt, not because gays can't be good parents, he said, but because he claimed they would be teased and tortured by the other kids. My argument to him was that kids today are beyond all that. It seems that many of the kids I come into contact with have little if no prejudice against gays.
Yes, well, since it's been shown in this very thread that you make assumptions which are at best, mistaken, at worst, dishonest, and attribute "hate" where none is intended, I'll take that with a grain of salt.
My guess is that you were just as mistaken in reading their "hatred" as you were in reading mine.
No doubt because you were taught to hate all those who don't subscribe to gay marriage.
You've shown your stripes Allie.
*shrug* get defensive if you want. You said it yourself, if I lived in a liberal community it wouldn't be that bad.
And I'm the one making assumptions? There are valid reasons for not subscribing to gay marriage. However people rarely make them. Generally its some version of "letting gays marry will ruin it", as if gays somehow aren't people or their relationships aren't worthwhile.
I, and others, went ape shit because you were using your friend as an example of someone who had "remorse" because instead of delivering a baby and giving it up for adoption, she wished she had killed it, thus sparing herself the inconvenience of pregnancy and the horrible trauma of having to think about where that baby was later.
And I didn't quote an article at all. I said I had read an article or watched a show where one woman had spoken of raising her child by rape.
All you're doing is proving, over and over, that you're a bigot, that the truth doesn't make any difference, and if you hear certain words, your response is automatic, irrational, and inaccurate. You're lying, attributing things to me which I did not say and giving me motives which I do not have.
Ravir, any luck with finding that post where I'm defending gay-bashing? Or where I've bashed gays?
No, you've shown yours. And admitted it.
I'm not defensive, I'm pointing out the obvious.
You thought I hated gays because I don't think gay marriage/adoption is a great choice.
Yes,you are the one making assumptions, see above.
Sorry, you are right, that was someone else's post. I got you two confused because you posted similar opinions but not those I attributed to you earlier.
Still, I am curious as to why you would think a child of a rape would not be born into a potentially more harmful situation than the child of gays? A child of rape is not planned for and just because the mother choses to go ahead and bear it, doesn't mean she does it out of love. She may be doing it because she doesn't believe in abortion. I should think that no matter how good someone's intentions are, it is very difficult not to feel ambivalent at times about a child you had to bear because you were raped. Hell, parents who planned for their children feel ambivalent at times about them.