Multiculturalism

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    So does anybody here think that this program called multiculturalism is good for a country? Does it divide rather than unite? Me personally, I think it divides and if allowed to continue and promoted by the government than I believe that it may be a recipe for starting to create new countries within a country. If a country wishes to survive I don't think that promoting several different languages,cultures,religions and heritages is the way to go as eventually those different cultures or races of people increase in numbers so does the division as those different cultures of people start their own ghettoes or turfs and tend to stay way from the mainstream host citizen's of that country. Maybe not all do it but eventually that could change as they might say, where is might rights to the preservation of my culture,language and religion. Even though they may work with the host countries people and mingle with them at work, they still at the end of the work day, they go back to their own communities and carryon from whence they came and appear to avoid trying to allow themselves to be assimilated into they mainstream communties. We see it happening today here in Canada,Britain and America. And multiculturalism is/has been promoted by our politicians for decades and all at the host taxpayer's dollars expense without the consent of those taxpayer's. This has cost the host taxpayer's hundreds of millions of dollars and for what good reason was this done for. To try and not have to get immigrants to assimilate? If someone decides that they want to start a new life in a new country than they should learn that they must assimilate and not carryon as though they were still back home. But that seems, for some unknown reason, government policy. Why?

    We also have seen that the people of the host countries have to put aside some of their heritage and traditions,as with the celebrating of Christmas, or so as we have been told, it apparently offends other cultures and races of people. It's ridiculous for the government to be promoting other cultures and religions at the expense of the host countries traditions where we see today that we are not suppose to say or post the words Merry Christmas. Businesses, government buildings and schools go out of their way to try and avoid saying or posting those oh so offensive words "Merry Christmas". It's bloody ridiculous, to say the least. If immigrants from other countries find that they don't like how things are done in their new country well then they can always go back from whence them came. No problem there. I won't stop them. We have our traditions and they have their's and when it comes down to the crunch they must accept ours and not try to change it. It's alright for them to keep it at home, but once you step outside, they must learn to live with our's or leave. A country cannot allow and promote and cater to so many different cultures, religions and languages and try to make them all live in harmony together, because eventually the crap may just hit the fan and all hell may break loose when the turf fighting starts to rear it's ugly head.

    So does anyone here think that multiculturalism is good or bad for a country to try and promote? Can there be problems down the road for the country? What say you, :eusa_eh:
     
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    so I guess whoever was there first gets to stay? and if so everybody else should fuck off along with Christmas.
     
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    Whoever conquered the land, gets to stay and keep the land and all others get to stay if they become a part of the land and the people who conquered the land or in other words, assimilate. All immigrants should not be bringing with them what they left behind, which today, so many are doing ie:latinos for instance. It's alright to keep it at home, but not promote it outside your home. Immigrants will not assimilate if they are not forced to assimilate and become a part of the whole. This is what multiculturalism does, divides, not unites. An example is the American south where it is beginning to look more like the country of Mexico, rather than the country of America. Why should that be or allowed to happen? Do you think that it would be alright for Americans to immigrate into Mexico and start to promote and push their culture and language and heritage on the people of Mexico. Do you think that they would accept that with wide open acceptance? I doubt that very much. There would be riots in the streets. At least we all know that the Mexicans would standup for their country a lot more than what Americans appear to be doing in their country. Christmas is a part of Western men/women's heritage and culture and should be protected and not diminshed just because it's suppose to offend others. What crap. If Christmas were eliminated or diminshed it would be another part of our heritage out the window. What's next? Tear down The Alamo site because it might appear to be offensive to others. Maybe I should have not said that. Hey, you never know, it could happen.
     
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    I think that multiculturalism is mostly an economic policy, since a selfrespecting society will not improve by throwing away its values and traditions. Multiculturalism is good for migration, but for other purposes?


    I believe that culture is a good thing as long as it doesn't conflict with the culture of the country that you migrate too. It shouldn't be too hard to adapt yourself a bit if you really want to live in a certain country. Using the word "multiculturalism" is a form of political correctness, just wanting to state that all cultures should be equally respected. But I disagree with that: should we really respect a culture that believes in dismemberments (and other cruel punishments), discrimination, inequality of men and women, slavery, ... ? Is it not true that our Western culture is superior to a culture that has those traditions?
     
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    Multiculturalism works. Conservatives hate it but it does work.
     
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    Isn't multiculturalism necessary? Isn't being against multiculturalism inherently fascist?

    What I mean by that is this. In both Canada and the US, we have freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of religion above all else. Say I'm an immigrant and I come to Canada. Am I not entitled to those same rights as a new citizen?

    So then that means I get to express my culture, subscribe to whatever religion I choose to subscribe to, eat my own foods, listen to my own music. How can anyone be against multiculturalism in that light? To say I should "assimilate" is essentially telling me I DO NOT have those rights, which is 100% utterly false. If I am a citizen of Canada or the US, I have those rights.

    And for anyone to tell me that instead of listening to some foreign band, I should listen to Charlie Daniels.....or instead of eating some sort of foreign food, I should eat hot dogs and hamburgers.....or instead of worshipping cows, I should worship Jesus, IS inherently fascist. It's denying the rights granted to us by our respective countries' forefathers and spitting on the graves of those who died to defend those rights.

    By telling me to assimilate, you're telling me what to do. By telling me what to do, you take my freedom away. By taking my freedom away, you're a fascist.

    If it turns out that lots of people from a specific region move to your country and become citizens and change the racial/ethnic makeup of a certain region, so be it. If they vote differently than you, so be it. This is the Western free world where people love freedom so much they die for it. We're supposed to be a democracy, not a dictatorship.
     
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    I think there is nothing wrong with assimilating in certain societies - those with Constitutions that grant individual freedoms, for example. As such, the only assimilation I demand is that Constitution be respected as one's new way of life - live and let live.

    However, if my wearing my hair down and shorts offends one's religion, tough shit. If my purchase of alcohol offends one's relgion, tough shit again. If one wishes to cover their head and avoid contact with alcohol, that's fine. I don't care unless you are affecting MY freedoms.
     
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    I agree 100%. I'm not saying people shouldn't assimilate. They should do so if they choose to. But my point is that nobody should be FORCED to assimilate. And I couldn't agree more. We shouldn't have accomodationist laws (i.e. Implement Sharia Courts to accomodate a small, minority Muslim population). We should keep our existing laws and democratically change them if need be.
     
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    No it s not and Ironically this (fascism) is what makes multiculturalism such a failure; for example the way "Islamic culture" has clashed with the Western culture of free speech & free press when a danish guy is publishing a cartoon IN HIS OWN country and his freedom is not respected just because people have a different culture (do not allow the prophet mohammed to be portrayed). I disagree with the reasoning that their culture of godworshipping and denial of speech is equally to ours of free speech and free press just because "every culture should be respected": you would be incredibly naieve to believe that.

    Basically you re saying that allowing the danish guy to publish what he wants (free) speech, is fascist. Because not allowing it would be multicultural as it would "respect" the other culture, but the sad thing is you sacrifice the values of your own "native culture" to achieve this "multiculturalism".


    "We re supposed to be a democracy and not a dictatorship" is the reason why we should not allow foreigners or native citizens to create dictatorships within the society (even if they re based upon "culture"), this is why multiculturality fails in certain cases. Multiculturalism only "works" when it is not needed (when cultures already are compatible).
     
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