Moscow and Brazil courts outlaw anti-Islam hate film

[Polk]

Russia and Brazil are both taking the right direction in defending the rights of people not to have their beliefs attacked or defamed by people who practice religious discrimination.

These decisions don't defend anyone. You don't have a right to not be offended.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Russia and Brazil are both taking the right direction in defending the rights of people not to have their beliefs attacked or defamed by people who practice religious discrimination.

Suppose I'm a Christian, and you say that Mohammed is God's true prophet. That implies that my religion is false. I feel attacked.

Should you be punished?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bad ruling.

Free speech guarantees freedom of conscience and freedom of religiion.

A court in Moscow ruled Monday that an anti-Islam film that has sparked violent demonstrations around the world can no longer be shown in Russia.

Tverskoi court's ruling follows a similar local decision taken last week by a court in Grozny, the provincial capital of Russia's Muslim-dominated province of Chechnya.

In Moscow, Justice Ministry spokeswoman Marina Gridneva said the film was deemed extremist because it could incite ethnic and religious hatred.

Russia's communications minister had warned that authorities would bar access to YouTube if its owner, Google Inc., failed to abide by a court order to block access in this nation to the U.S.-produced film, which mocks Muslims and the Prophet Muhammad.

The RIA-Novosti news agency quoted mufti Shafig Pshikhachev, head of the Coordination Center of Muslims in the North Caucasus, as welcoming Monday's court ruling in Moscow.

"This is a positive step in defense of believers," Pshikhachev said. "Unfortunately, we are witnessing such events regularly, so I think the adoption of a law is good. We need a legal method of protecting the faithful and our holy places."

Islamophobia Watch - Documenting anti Muslim bigotry - Moscow court outlaws anti-Islam*film

The case against the controversial film was brought by a Brazilian Muslim group, the National Islamic Union, against Google Inc, the owner of YouTube, for posting on the internet a film it said was offensive and a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of religion. In his decision, Judge Gilson Delgado Miranda said the case juxtaposed freedom of expression and the need to protect individuals or groups of people from action that might incite religious discrimination. Miranda concluded that banning something illegal should not "offend" freedom of thought and expression, according to the ruling posted online by Estado de S. Paulo newspaper.

Brazilian court orders YouTube to remove anti-Islam video

 

[Sunni Man]

Russia and Brazil are both taking the right direction in defending the rights of people not to have their beliefs attacked or defamed by people who practice religious discrimination.

Suppose I'm a Christian, and you say that Mohammed is God's true prophet. That implies that my religion is false. I feel attacked.

Should you be punished?

Having a discussion or debate about religion is fine.

If you want to say that Muhammad is not a prophet; or I say that Jesus is not God.......no problem.

We just have different religious beliefs.

But to slander or defame either Jesus or Muhammad by calling them homosexuals, murders, rapists, etc.

Then you have crossed the line from religious debate to outright attack.

And that is what should be banned and criminalized for the benefit of society and humanity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, free speech allows such behavior because the truth will sort itself out.

Religion best expresses itself in free speech, not oppression.

Try it, Sunni Man.

 

[midcan5]

For those interested in a serious argument regarding hate legislation check out Jeremy Waldron's 'The Harm in Hate Speech.' Waldron argues that hate speech is libelous speech among other arguments. Also he agrees with Johnson's quote below.

"A man has a right not to be insulted in front of his children." President Lyndon Johnson 'the moral necessity of the 1964 Civil Rights Act'

For a critical review of Waldron's book check here: "So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, Waldron on the Regulation of Hate Speech by Brian Leiter :: SSRN


"...Tolerance cannot be indiscriminate and equal with respect to the contents of expression, neither in word nor in deed; it cannot protect false words and wrong deeds which demonstrate that they contradict and counteract the possibilities of liberation. Such indiscriminate tolerance is justified in harmless debates, in conversation, in academic discussion; it is indispensable in the scientific enterprise, in private religion. But society cannot be indiscriminate where the pacification of existence, where freedom and happiness themselves are at stake: here, certain things cannot be said, certain ideas cannot be expressed, certain policies cannot be proposed, certain behavior cannot be permitted without making tolerance an instrument of the continuation of servitude." Herbert Marcuse

 

[Sunni Man]

No, free speech allows such behavior because the truth will sort itself out.

Religion best expresses itself in free speech, not oppression.

Try it, Sunni Man.

Islam has free speech within the boundaries of morals and civility.

Anything beyond that should be rejected for the betterment of humanity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Islam does not define "the boundaries of morals and civility" in America.

The Constitution does. Anything that impinges on the Constitution is shipped back overseas right pronto.

 

[Sunni Man]

Islam does not define "the boundaries of morals and civility" in America.

The Constitution does. Anything that impinges on the Constitution is shipped back overseas right pronto.

Shipped back to where exactly?

Islam now starting to be woven deeply into the fabric of America.

Secularism is a dead end street.

And Christianity is in decline.

Islam is poised to fill the spiritual and moral void in the U.S. and other western nations.

And with that will come a shift in government policys and federal laws for the better.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Illegal immigrants are shipped home.

No, Islam is not being "woven deeply into the fabric of America." Sheer delusion.

Islam is a dead end street for Americans.

Christianity is never in decline when compared by Americans to Islam.

Islam is prepared to be exposed for its spiritual and moral void in the US.

The relegating of Islam to private faith with no impact on the nation will be for the better.

 

[Sunni Man]

We are building new mosques all over the U.S.

And muslim child birth rates is out pacing most other religious ethnicities.

American born muslims will be soon be at parity with foreign muslims.

Yes, Islam will slowly become a large part of the dynamics which define American society; and what it means to be an American.

 

[dilloduck]

We are building new mosques all over the U.S.

And muslim child birth rates is out pacing most other religious ethnicities.

American born muslims will be soon be at parity with foreign muslims.

Yes, Islam will slowly become a large part of the dynamics which define American society; and what it means to be an American.

One would think that America is far too offensive of a place for a muslim to want to live.

 

[Duped]

Fuck Moscow, Brazil, and Islam - they need to shoot violent protesters on sight!

 

[dilloduck]

If Taoists violently protested when offended would we get laws protected them too? Why do all religions have to bend for one ?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Muslims are far too few in number to change anything, and if they try to change the Constitution, they won't. Simple.

However, if they ever have super majority numbers, they can amend the Constitution.

 

[Polk]

Islam does not define "the boundaries of morals and civility" in America.

The Constitution does. Anything that impinges on the Constitution is shipped back overseas right pronto.

Shipped back to where exactly?

Islam now starting to be woven deeply into the fabric of America.

Secularism is a dead end street.

And Christianity is in decline.

Islam is poised to fill the spiritual and moral void in the U.S. and other western nations.

And with that will come a shift in government policys and federal laws for the better.

Religion as a whole is in permanent decline.

 

[High_Gravity]

Russia and Brazil are both taking the right direction in defending the rights of people not to have their beliefs attacked or defamed by people who practice religious discrimination.

Suppose I'm a Christian, and you say that Mohammed is God's true prophet. That implies that my religion is false. I feel attacked.

Should you be punished?

Having a discussion or debate about religion is fine.

If you want to say that Muhammad is not a prophet; or I say that Jesus is not God.......no problem.

We just have different religious beliefs.

But to slander or defame either Jesus or Muhammad by calling them homosexuals, murders, rapists, etc.

Then you have crossed the line from religious debate to outright attack.

And that is what should be banned and criminalized for the benefit of society and humanity.

The problem with that, if a law like that were put into place how would you prove it? would you need witnesses? a recorded statement defaming the prophet? and what would the punishment be for insulting Jesus or Mohammed?

 

[High_Gravity]

We are building new mosques all over the U.S.

And muslim child birth rates is out pacing most other religious ethnicities.

American born muslims will be soon be at parity with foreign muslims.

Yes, Islam will slowly become a large part of the dynamics which define American society; and what it means to be an American.

The Hispanic birth rates are way more than the Muslims in the US.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hispanic Catholics will swamp numbers compared to Muslims.

And Muslims know better than to piss of Catholics from Iberia.

 

[High_Gravity]

So if Muslims asked Brazil stop letting their women show their asses and to stop the Carnivale every year, would they do that too?