More ACORN problems

[DiveCon]

And how would you know that they didn't? And why cry and whine about ACORN? The election has been over for seven months? I doubt if the outcome is going to change now. Maybe this needs to be in the "sore losers" forum.

first off, i'm not crying about Acorn, but they are recieving tax payer money and commiting registration fraud

Who is they? Because ACORN was never charged and therefore not convicted of anything. There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? That part in bold is whiny part.

BULLSHIT
ACORN has been charged in Nevada


and that is a fact, not a whine

asshole

 

[jgbkab]

first off, i'm not crying about Acorn, but they are recieving tax payer money and commiting registration fraud

Who is they? Because ACORN was never charged and therefore not convicted of anything. There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? That part in bold is whiny part.

BULLSHIT
ACORN has been charged in Nevada


and that is a fact, not a whine

asshole

BULLWHINE
AWHINE has been whined in Newaawhine

and whine is a whine, not a waah

asswhine

 

[DiveCon]

Who is they? Because ACORN was never charged and therefore not convicted of anything. There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? That part in bold is whiny part.

BULLSHIT
ACORN has been charged in Nevada


and that is a fact, not a whine

asshole

BULLWHINE
AWHINE has been whined in Newaawhine

and whine is a whine, not a waah

asswhine

yup, just as i thought, another fucking moron

 

[jgbkab]

BULLSHIT
ACORN has been charged in Nevada


and that is a fact, not a whine

asshole

BULLWHINE
AWHINE has been whined in Newaawhine

and whine is a whine, not a waah

asswhine

yup, just as i thought, another fucking moron

Waah.

 

[jgbkab]

BULLSHIT
ACORN has been charged in Nevada


and that is a fact, not a whine

asshole

BULLWHINE
AWHINE has been whined in Newaawhine

and whine is a whine, not a waah

asswhine

yup, just as i thought, another fucking moron

Dude, the question was simple: There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? You go on another waah-fest instead of answering the question and then call me a moron and an asshole. Really?

 

[DiveCon]

BULLWHINE
AWHINE has been whined in Newaawhine

and whine is a whine, not a waah

asswhine

yup, just as i thought, another fucking moron

Dude, the question was simple: There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? You go on another waah-fest instead of answering the question and then call me a moron and an asshole. Really?

fuck off asshole

 

[jgbkab]

yup, just as i thought, another fucking moron

Dude, the question was simple: There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? You go on another waah-fest instead of answering the question and then call me a moron and an asshole. Really?

fuck off asshole

Just like I thought. No answer.

 

[DiveCon]

Dude, the question was simple: There has been no proof that shows ACORN encourages it's employees to commit fraud. Do you have proof? You go on another waah-fest instead of answering the question and then call me a moron and an asshole. Really?

fuck off asshole

Just like I thought. No answer.

what part of they have been charged in the state of Nevada dont you fucking get
you are typical of a partisan asshole

 

[jgbkab]

fuck off asshole

Just like I thought. No answer.

what part of they have been charged in the state of Nevada dont you fucking get
you are typical of a partisan asshole

Read the last paragraph carefully....

The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of creating an incentive program called “blackjack” because $5 was paid for signing more than 21 prospective voters.

Also indicted was Acorn’s former deputy regional director, Amy Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-year prison term and a $5,000 fine.

Acorn’s national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the indictments “political grandstanding” by Mr. Miller and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, both Democrats.

Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated with investigators.

“This is in complete violation of Acorn national policy, and to indict us is a clear case of blaming the victim,” Mr. Levenson said. “We had an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to stop.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html?ref=us

 

[DiveCon]

Just like I thought. No answer.

what part of they have been charged in the state of Nevada dont you fucking get
you are typical of a partisan asshole

Read the last paragraph carefully....

The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of creating an incentive program called “blackjack” because $5 was paid for signing more than 21 prospective voters.

Also indicted was Acorn’s former deputy regional director, Amy Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-year prison term and a $5,000 fine.

Acorn’s national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the indictments “political grandstanding” by Mr. Miller and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, both Democrats.

Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated with investigators.

“This is in complete violation of Acorn national policy, and to indict us is a clear case of blaming the victim,” Mr. Levenson said. “We had an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to stop.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html?ref=us

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

poor ACORN is being picked on unfairly

 

[tigerbob]

Dive and JGB

Why not wait until the Nevada cases come to court, see what the results are (i.e. if the employees plea bargain their way out of it by attempting to implicate Acorn), and then continue your discussion at 20 paces?

 

[KMAN]

This is not about voter fraud and John McCain didn't lose because of Acorn so just breathe deep for a second.

These are people who have duped Acorn. They were paid to register voters, but instead of doing the hard work of knocking on doors they made up registrations so it looked like they were doing their jobs and could get paid.

There is no evidence that anyone voted under these false registrations and thus there was no voter fraud.

Honestly, do you think ACORN cares if there is voter fraud? As long as the votes go to a liberal it doesn't matter... If the voter fraud was for McCain I guarantee you these people would have been caught before the election.

 

[Tech_Esq]

If Acorn was corrupt as you suggest why hasn't the prosecuter brought charges against the organization? It has only brought charges against individuals who actually committed a fraud against Acorn.

Trust me, I've filed RICO (Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization) actions against organizations before. Just looking at what is available in the press, ACORN is ripe for for the picking.

As to why they haven't been plucked to this point -- simple. Political influence. Especially now. With Obama's ties to ACORN they're teflon. No prosecutor that is interested in keeping their job will file any more serious action than they absolutely have to.

That's the way it works in the big-boy leagues. People have families and responsibilities. They don't have time to play hero.

Why should I trust you? You have proven yourself to be driven by ideology rather than facts.

You have confused the two of us Peebles. You're the consistent party hack, not me. There isn't a social democrat party line that you aren't four square in favor of.

 

[Sinatra]

This is not about voter fraud and John McCain didn't lose because of Acorn so just breathe deep for a second.

These are people who have duped Acorn. They were paid to register voters, but instead of doing the hard work of knocking on doors they made up registrations so it looked like they were doing their jobs and could get paid.

There is no evidence that anyone voted under these false registrations and thus there was no voter fraud.

Honestly, do you think ACORN cares if there is voter fraud? As long as the votes go to a liberal it doesn't matter... If the voter fraud was for McCain I guarantee you these people would have been caught before the election.

That is true.

Acorn receives protection from both the State and Federal Democrat levels, and are thick as intertwined with various union groups as well. The Democrat Party uses Acorn, and Acorn uses them.

It's as down and dirty as politics get.

 

[wihosa]

This is not about voter fraud and John McCain didn't lose because of Acorn so just breathe deep for a second.

These are people who have duped Acorn. They were paid to register voters, but instead of doing the hard work of knocking on doors they made up registrations so it looked like they were doing their jobs and could get paid.

There is no evidence that anyone voted under these false registrations and thus there was no voter fraud.

Honestly, do you think ACORN cares if there is voter fraud? As long as the votes go to a liberal it doesn't matter... If the voter fraud was for McCain I guarantee you these people would have been caught before the election.

The point is there were no votes from these registrations. Nobody showed up to vote under these registrations. Appaently the registraions didn't even match up with real people. Names and addresses didn't match. No voter fraud. Just some employees of Acorn duping Acorn so they could get a check.

 

[DamnYankee]

This is not about voter fraud and John McCain didn't lose because of Acorn so just breathe deep for a second.

These are people who have duped Acorn. They were paid to register voters, but instead of doing the hard work of knocking on doors they made up registrations so it looked like they were doing their jobs and could get paid.

There is no evidence that anyone voted under these false registrations and thus there was no voter fraud.

Honestly, do you think ACORN cares if there is voter fraud? As long as the votes go to a liberal it doesn't matter... If the voter fraud was for McCain I guarantee you these people would have been caught before the election.

The point is there were no votes from these registrations. Nobody showed up to vote under these registrations. Appaently the registraions didn't even match up with real people. Names and addresses didn't match. No voter fraud. Just some employees of Acorn duping Acorn so they could get a check.

So the fact that no one slipped through, in this case, means that nothing wrong was done except getting paid for something work that wasn't actually done? Interesting standards....
ACORN's practices deserve scrutiny

 

[wihosa]

Honestly, do you think ACORN cares if there is voter fraud? As long as the votes go to a liberal it doesn't matter... If the voter fraud was for McCain I guarantee you these people would have been caught before the election.

The point is there were no votes from these registrations. Nobody showed up to vote under these registrations. Appaently the registraions didn't even match up with real people. Names and addresses didn't match. No voter fraud. Just some employees of Acorn duping Acorn so they could get a check.

So the fact that no one slipped through, in this case, means that nothing wrong was done except getting paid for something work that wasn't actually done? Interesting standards....
ACORN's practices deserve scrutiny

No the point is that no voter fraud occurred or was even intended.

Oh, don't forget those involved are being prosecuted.

 

[DamnYankee]

The point is there were no votes from these registrations. Nobody showed up to vote under these registrations. Appaently the registraions didn't even match up with real people. Names and addresses didn't match. No voter fraud. Just some employees of Acorn duping Acorn so they could get a check.

So the fact that no one slipped through, in this case, means that nothing wrong was done except getting paid for something work that wasn't actually done? Interesting standards....
ACORN's practices deserve scrutiny

No the point is that no voter fraud occurred or was even intended.

Oh, don't forget those involved are being prosecuted.

No fraud occurred or was intended....

[excerpt]
This year alone ACORN has registered 1,315,037 voters.

Although the organization prides itself for its registration efforts, it also has a long history of scandal. In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud. But that case was not an isolated incident in the state. In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information. Authorities launched an earlier investigation after noticing that among the new voters was longtime St. Louis alderman Albert “Red” Villa, who died in 1990. The volunteers worked for “Operation Big Vote” — a branch of ACORN — in St. Louis.

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

And, that was just Missouri.

This year there have been several accusations of fraud against ACORN. Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

That’s not all. So far this year at least 14 states have started investigations against ACORN. Talk about a culture of corruption. It is so bad that Representatives of Congress have asked for the Justice Department to investigate, and GOP presidential candidate John McCain is bringing it up in his stump speeches. The Obama camp is stealthily altering its “Fight the Smears” website to distance themselves from the organization — quite a challenge considering how close their candidate’s association has been with the group.

Pajamas Media » The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

Interesting that there were convictions for something that didn't occur and wasn't intended.... Shall I provide more evidence of intent?

 

[DiveCon]

So the fact that no one slipped through, in this case, means that nothing wrong was done except getting paid for something work that wasn't actually done? Interesting standards....
ACORN's practices deserve scrutiny

No the point is that no voter fraud occurred or was even intended.

Oh, don't forget those involved are being prosecuted.

No fraud occurred or was intended....

[excerpt]
This year alone ACORN has registered 1,315,037 voters.

Although the organization prides itself for its registration efforts, it also has a long history of scandal. In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud. But that case was not an isolated incident in the state. In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information. Authorities launched an earlier investigation after noticing that among the new voters was longtime St. Louis alderman Albert “Red” Villa, who died in 1990. The volunteers worked for “Operation Big Vote” — a branch of ACORN — in St. Louis.

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

And, that was just Missouri.

This year there have been several accusations of fraud against ACORN. Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

That’s not all. So far this year at least 14 states have started investigations against ACORN. Talk about a culture of corruption. It is so bad that Representatives of Congress have asked for the Justice Department to investigate, and GOP presidential candidate John McCain is bringing it up in his stump speeches. The Obama camp is stealthily altering its “Fight the Smears” website to distance themselves from the organization — quite a challenge considering how close their candidate’s association has been with the group.

Pajamas Media » The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

Interesting that there were convictions for something that didn't occur and wasn't intended.... Shall I provide more evidence of intent?

when it is this systemic, there is something wrong at the core

 

[wihosa]

OK a long list of the same thing. Fake regisration cards used to dupe Acorn into paying people who were suppossed to be knocking on doors and getting legitimate registrations.

Again no evidence that anybody tried to vote fraudulently. In other words, no voter fraud. It appears that something needs to be done to prevent registration workers from cheating their employers but it is a far cry from some neferious activity intended to turn elections.

Face it, Obama won fair and square. All the kooky claims of voter fraud, fake birth certificates and what ever else the right wing smear machine can cook up just aren't working for the Repubs.

If the Repubs ever want to be relevant again they should stop with the smears and try to think of solutions to our problems.