Moderate islam is like moderate nazism

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    actsnoblemartin I love Andrea & April

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    it doesnt exist

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPI3KlDs8pA]YouTube - Fuck ISLAM[/ame]
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo3vOMXM4vM&feature=related]YouTube - Re: Fuck Islam Week 2[/ame]
     
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    I take it youtube banned some hatespeech videos directed at Islam, right?

    Well...as any corproate tool would explain it to us, it's their company and they can do what they want.

    If we don't like it, we can do the only thing consumers can do.

    We can stop using that product.
     
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    I may have to agree with you as far as modern Islam goes. Just about every Muslim nation on this earth is incredibly intolerant of other's beliefs. Just visit any Muslim nation and see for yourself. All other religious beliefs are just not tolerated in most Muslim nations. This cannot be said of most Christian,Buddhist,and Hindu states. Modern Islam does have a big problem. I just wish the Muslims themselves would admit this and stop playing the victim and blaming everyone else.
     
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    The difference between Islam and Christianity is that the Christians were able to "throw off" the shackles of the church in Europe. Both religions have many of the same characters, Jesus, Moses, Mary. Both say their founder was Abraham. Both want to kill the gays and enslave women.

    Not seeing a lot of difference between the two, other than our "big government" protecting us from the followers of Jesus.
     
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    apparently any criticism of islam may be considered hate speech, but otherwise you are right

     
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    Find me a mainstream christian sect that wants to "kill the gays" or "enslave women"
    Denying gays the right to marry is a far cry from killing them. Being against non medically needed abortion is a far cry from enslaving women.

    There can be moderate islam. Muslims who accept secular states and rules are moderate. It is when they want to impose a Sharia based system of law via goverment that you delve into radical islam.
     
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    exactly what i was trying to say

    thank you

     
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    you dont see one as a global threat perhaps?

    hmm?

     
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    The states with the best records of religious freedom are not any of the above "religious states" - they are states with predominantly secular and democratic forms of government. When you start to mix religion into legislation, intolerance increases.

    The states with the worst records do include a number of dominantly Islamic states run under some form of religious law, as well as dictatorships. The problem isn't Islam - it's religion mixing with government and a lack of protection for minority religions.

    Religious freedom and tolerance around the world...from the U.S. State Department 2007 report on religious freedom - among the countries of particular concern for violations:

    Burma -- "The Government systematically restricted efforts by Buddhist clergy to promote human rights and political freedom and discouraged and prohibited minority religious groups from constructing new places of worship. In some cases, government officials destroyed existing places of worship. The Government also actively promoted Theravada Buddhism over other religions, particularly among members of ethnic minorities. Christian and Islamic groups continued to have trouble obtaining permission to repair existing places of worship or build new ones. Anti-Muslim violence continued, as did the close monitoring of Muslim activities. Restrictions on worship of other non-Buddhist minority groups also continued throughout the country. Although there were no new reports of forced conversions of non-Buddhists, the Government applied pressure on students and poor youth to convert to Buddhism. Adherence or conversion to Buddhism is generally a prerequisite for promotion to senior government and military ranks."

    Eritrea: 2006 International Religious Freedom Report -- 4 dominant Christian and Islamic religious groups only - no other sects tolerated.

    Sri Lanka - "The Constitution accords Buddhism the "foremost place," but it is not recognized as the state religion. While the Government publicly endorses the right of members of other faiths to freely practice their religion, in practice there were problems in some areas. Anti-conversion legislation, first introduced in 2004, remained under consideration. Despite generally amicable relations among persons of different faiths, there was ongoing resistance, in some cases violent, by some Buddhists toward Christian church activity, in particular that conducted by evangelical groups. There were sporadic attacks on Christian churches by Buddhist extremists and on Ahmadis by Sunni Muslims. Police have been responsive in arresting and prosecuting persons in connection with these incidents."

    Russia: "...Popular attitudes toward traditionally Muslim ethnic groups are negative in many regions, and there are manifestations of anti-Semitism as well as hostility toward Roman Catholics and other non‑Orthodox Christian denominations. Some observant Muslims claimed harassment because of their faith. Instances of religiously motivated violence continued, although it often was difficult to determine whether xenophobic, religious, or ethnic prejudices were the primary motivation behind violent attacks. Some Russian Orthodox Church clergy have stated publicly their opposition to any expansion of the presence of Roman Catholics, Protestants, and other non-Orthodox denominations."

    India, which you give as an example has endured a lot of religious strife including intolerance from the dominantly Hindu population towards Muslims, Sikhs and other minority sects (that's not to say the violence is one sided).

    A quick look at the history of many so-called "Christian" states will find a similar record of religious intolerance, pogroms, and violence towards non-Christians or those who are not the right denomination.
     
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