Minnesota United Methodist approve gay rights resolution

[Bullypulpit]

Not even close. Eightball asked YOU to "...document or present some of Dobson's views, either from his books, radio, public speaking, or television, that reflect "populist generalization without peer review."

She said "You prove what Dobby says is scientific!"

The question was for you to back up your statements that dobby says stuff which reflect populist generalization without peer review.

Easy, eh?

There are no peer reviewed articles by Mr. Dobson on the subject of homosexuality, or any other subject for that matter. As for his views on homosexuality, you can here them from any right wing-nut radio/tv broadcast article or speech where they claim to speak for "the people". These views are as common as fleas on a feral dog, and not unique to Mr. Dobson.

BTW, why does your icon show a young woman's rather ample breasts on the religion thread?

 

[musicman]

BTW, why does your icon show a young woman's rather ample breasts on the religion thread?

I'll throw in a guess here:

Because God's works are awesome?

 

[musicman]

You guys want to change fundamental institutions of society, then make intellectual arguments and take it to the people. Stop trying to malign anyone who disagrees with you and pretending as though they dont have valid reasons. Because quite honestly, the only bigot i ever see here is you. You have made it clear that you are completely intolerant to anyone who disagrees with you. And its quite sad. Stop with the emotion arguments and start discussing substance or shut up.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Avatar4321 again.

 

[Joz]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Avatar4321 again.

Ditto

 

[Eightball]

There are no peer reviewed articles by Mr. Dobson on the subject of homosexuality, or any other subject for that matter. As for his views on homosexuality, you can here them from any right wing-nut radio/tv broadcast article or speech where they claim to speak for "the people". These views are as common as fleas on a feral dog, and not unique to Mr. Dobson.

BTW, why does your icon show a young woman's rather ample breasts on the religion thread?

Not much to this "Nutter/Water-Head" Dr. James Dobson. lol
http://www.family.org/welcome/bios/A0022947.cfm

IN RECOGNITION

of distinguished service in preserving the family, Dr. James Dobson
has been recognized
with academic honors over the past 20 years.


Honorary Degrees

Doctor of Laws from Pepperdine University (1983)
Doctor of Humanities from Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ohio (1988)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Seattle Pacific University (1988)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Asbury Theological Seminary (1989)
Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters from MidAmerica Nazarene College (1992)
Doctor of Letters from Liberty University (1993)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Campbell University (1994)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Point Loma Nazarene College (1994)
Doctor of Literature from Biola University (1995),
Doctor of Humanities from Abilene Christian University (1995)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Huntington College (1997)
Doctor of Public Service from Greenville College (1997)
Doctor of Humane Letters from William Tyndale College (1998)
Doctor of Humanities from Harding University (1999)
Doctor of Humanities from Olivet Nazarene University (1999). and a
Doctor of Humane Letters from Indiana Wesleyan University (2005).

Awards and Recognition

Dr. Dobson was chosen as Layman of the Year by the National Association of Evangelicals in 1982. He was honored in 1987 as "The Children's Friend" by CHILDHELP USA, an organization devoted to the prevention of child abuse. He received the Alumni Merit Award from the University of Southern California General Alumni Association (1989); the Humanitarian Award by the California State Psychological Association (1988); the "Philip Award" from the United Methodist Church (1994); the "1996 Man of the Year Award" by the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists; and 1997 International Human Life Award from Human Life International; Salvation Army "Others" Award (1999); the "Christian Counseling in the Media Award" from the Board of Directors of the Christian Association for Psychological Studies (CAPS)(1999); the Catholic Alliance Family Advocate of the Year Award (2001); and the "Proudly Pro-Life Award," given by the National Right to Life (2002); the "Churchill Award" for Courageous and Committed Service to the Conservative Cause from the Council for National Policy (2002); the Fellowship of Christian Athletes "Tom Landry Award" (2003); and Marketplace Ministries "Integrity in Family Award" (2004); Promise Keepers "Trail Blazer Award" (2005); and was inducted into Indiana Wesleyan University's Society of World Changers (2005).

Best-selling Books

Dr. Dobson's first book for parents and teachers, Dare to Discipline, has sold more than 4.5 million copies and was selected as one of 50 books to be rebound and placed in the White House Library. It has now been revised and updated as The New Dare to Discipline. He has now written 36 books, including:

The New Hide or Seek
What Wives Wish Their Husbands Knew About Women
Preparing for Adolescence
Straight Talk to Men
Emotions: Can You Trust Them?
Love Must Be Tough
Parenting Isn't for Cowards
Love for a Lifetime
Children at Risk
When God Doesn't Make Sense
Life on the Edge
Home With a Heart
Coming Home
In the Arms of God
NightLight: A Devotional for Couples
Bringing Up Boys
NightLight for Parents
Marriage Under Fire
The New Strong-Willed Child

 

[dmp]

BTW, why does your icon show a young woman's rather ample breasts on the religion thread?

Because Breasts are nice? Why are you promoting SINFUL behaviour in a Religious thread?

 

[Bullypulpit]

Not much to this "Nutter/Water-Head" Dr. James Dobson. lol
http://www.family.org/welcome/bios/A0022947.cfm

IN RECOGNITION

of distinguished service in preserving the family, Dr. James Dobson
has been recognized
with academic honors over the past 20 years.


Honorary Degrees

Doctor of Laws from Pepperdine University (1983)
Doctor of Humanities from Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ohio (1988)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Seattle Pacific University (1988)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Asbury Theological Seminary (1989)
Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters from MidAmerica Nazarene College (1992)
Doctor of Letters from Liberty University (1993)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Campbell University (1994)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Point Loma Nazarene College (1994)
Doctor of Literature from Biola University (1995),
Doctor of Humanities from Abilene Christian University (1995)
Doctor of Humane Letters from Huntington College (1997)
Doctor of Public Service from Greenville College (1997)
Doctor of Humane Letters from William Tyndale College (1998)
Doctor of Humanities from Harding University (1999)
Doctor of Humanities from Olivet Nazarene University (1999). and a
Doctor of Humane Letters from Indiana Wesleyan University (2005).

Awards and Recognition

Dr. Dobson was chosen as Layman of the Year by the National Association of Evangelicals in 1982. He was honored in 1987 as "The Children's Friend" by CHILDHELP USA, an organization devoted to the prevention of child abuse. He received the Alumni Merit Award from the University of Southern California General Alumni Association (1989); the Humanitarian Award by the California State Psychological Association (1988); the "Philip Award" from the United Methodist Church (1994); the "1996 Man of the Year Award" by the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists; and 1997 International Human Life Award from Human Life International; Salvation Army "Others" Award (1999); the "Christian Counseling in the Media Award" from the Board of Directors of the Christian Association for Psychological Studies (CAPS)(1999); the Catholic Alliance Family Advocate of the Year Award (2001); and the "Proudly Pro-Life Award," given by the National Right to Life (2002); the "Churchill Award" for Courageous and Committed Service to the Conservative Cause from the Council for National Policy (2002); the Fellowship of Christian Athletes "Tom Landry Award" (2003); and Marketplace Ministries "Integrity in Family Award" (2004); Promise Keepers "Trail Blazer Award" (2005); and was inducted into Indiana Wesleyan University's Society of World Changers (2005).

Best-selling Books

Dr. Dobson's first book for parents and teachers, Dare to Discipline, has sold more than 4.5 million copies and was selected as one of 50 books to be rebound and placed in the White House Library. It has now been revised and updated as The New Dare to Discipline. He has now written 36 books, including:

The New Hide or Seek
What Wives Wish Their Husbands Knew About Women
Preparing for Adolescence
Straight Talk to Men
Emotions: Can You Trust Them?
Love Must Be Tough
Parenting Isn't for Cowards
Love for a Lifetime
Children at Risk
When God Doesn't Make Sense
Life on the Edge
Home With a Heart
Coming Home
In the Arms of God
NightLight: A Devotional for Couples
Bringing Up Boys
NightLight for Parents
Marriage Under Fire
The New Strong-Willed Child

An honorary degree and two bits will get you a cup of bad coffee. "best selling" books do not constitute a peer reviewed article or body of work.

 

[Dr Grump]

An honorary degree and two bits will get you a cup of bad coffee. "best selling" books do not constitute a peer reviewed article or body of work.

Not to mention the vast majority (if not all) of his awards are from Christian/theological groups. Funny that. Also, still waiting for his peer-reviewed works re homosexuality....

 

[jillian]

Not to mention the vast majority (if not all) of his awards are from Christian/theological groups. Funny that. Also, still waiting for his peer-reviewed works re homosexuality....

And most, if not all, of his honorary degrees are from Christian/theological schools.

 

[dilloduck]

And most, if not all, of his honorary degrees are from Christian/theological schools.

And we all know how stupid Christians are !

 

[jillian]

And we all know how stupid Christians are !

You mean like all Jews are evil and want to take over the world?

Seriously, it's not about intellect...it's about A-G-E-N-D-A. There is a huge difference between something having scientific validity and something being part of religious dogma.

 

[dilloduck]

You mean like all Jews are evil and want to take over the world?

Seriously, it's not about intellect...it's about A-G-E-N-D-A. There is a huge difference between something having scientific validity and something being part of religious dogma.

You're being incredibly anti-christian don't you think?

 

[jillian]

You're being incredibly anti-christian don't you think?

Absolutely not. I have nothing but respect for anyone who has faith and walks the walk. And, frankly, I think Jesus said a lot of great things that are worth heeding whether one believes he was the Messiah or not.

What I don't do is confuse religion and science.

 

[Eightball]

You mean like all Jews are evil and want to take over the world?

Seriously, it's not about intellect...it's about A-G-E-N-D-A. There is a huge difference between something having scientific validity and something being part of religious dogma.

Why beat around the bush with inuendo's.

Admit it. You don't like what the bible says about mankind. It restraints your free-will to challenge any and all authority, whether it be benevolent or not.

Your A G E N D A is very obvious. Anything biblical is an Anathema, unless it agrees with your A G E N D A.

Your A G E N D A:

Ethics are important, but where did the foundation of the ethics come from. The Bible or the Zoraster?
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You'll find that democratic society/culture got it's foundational ethics from Judeau-Christian principles.

Free-wll? Only in this a Christian based society can you do and say what you say and not being put on a "hit" list by religious zealots.
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Your right to bash/question/mock Christians is protected by a Constitution that was pulled together by men who believed in Judeau-Christian principles........Even good old Deist Jefferson and Rosecrusionist Ben Franklin too.

If that ain't free will, I just don't know.
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Science isn't going to save man's soul. Introspection resulting in repentance will.
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Some of the greatest scientists of the 19th and 20th Century were biblical Christians. Where did they go wrong?
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Michael Faraday comes to mind, as he invented the electric motor/generator.

What would your life style/conditions be like presently if it wasn't for this Neanderthahl, Faraday who was a strong biblical Christian?

Sir Isaa, Newton, was a very strong biblical Christian......was he a superstitious dummy?

How about famous African American Chemist, George Washington Carver? Was he just an, "Uncle Tom" since he was a biblical Christian?

There are so many strong biblical Christians, that contributed to science through out the centuries, and some how they were able to appreciate their Creator's creation; studying it, dissecting it, and making/inventing things for the betterment of mankind. They followed the standard procedures of hypothesis, .........to theory, and still didn't have a conflict ethically, mentally, or religiously pursuing their careers in bettering mankind's living conditions.

In one sense, Christians are bond-slaves, in another, they are more free than any other men/women on earth.

Free to investigate, their Creator's unbounding display of intelligence/genious via scientific methods, and through their discoveries, learn to appreciate His unbounding knowledge, omnipotence, and grace.

True fruitful science would be in the Dark ages literally, if it weren't for the unbounding freedom that man has been endowed with through his Creator.

Respect, humility, and unconditional love, are not part of mankind's natural attributes, but part and parcel of disciplines learned through a God-abiding life, of voluntary servitude.

 

[dilloduck]

Absolutely not. I have nothing but respect for anyone who has faith and walks the walk. And, frankly, I think Jesus said a lot of great things that are worth heeding whether one believes he was the Messiah or not.

What I don't do is confuse religion and science.

And most, if not all, of his honorary degrees are from Christian/theological schools.

Delete "Christian" and insert "Jewish" and you have a comment that is certainly doomed to be labeled anti-semitic.

 

[jillian]

That's a lot of words there, Eightball. First, it isn't about what it says in the Bible because I'm a believer, but the NT isn't the basis of my beliefs. So, while it interests me as all theology does and while I respect true believers who follow the teachings of Jesus, I don't share those beliefs nor do those beliefs have anything to do with my government.

The Founding Fathers were deists. Jefferson even put together a Bible that contained only the teachings of Jesus without any of the miraculous. Because of their experience with the Church of England, they were determined that no religion should have undue influence on government.

As for Christianity being the basis of science...well not really. There have been great minds who were also great believers. You rightfully mention Newton. Einstein was a believer as well. Personally, I don't believe there is anything in the writings of Stephen Hawkings which is inconsistent with a belief in a Creator. However, Galileo was persecuted for his "heresy", wasn't he, as were many others under similar circumstances.

And what protects our rights to free speech is the first amendment which also prevents government from favoring any individual religion.

 

[dilloduck]

That's a lot of words there, Eightball. First, it isn't about what it says in the Bible because I'm a believer, but the NT isn't the basis of my beliefs. So, while it interests me as all theology does and while I respect true believers who follow the teachings of Jesus, I don't share those beliefs nor do those beliefs have anything to do with my government.

The Founding Fathers were deists. Jefferson even put together a Bible that contained only the teachings of Jesus without any of the miraculous. Because of their experience with the Church of England, they were determined that no religion should have undue influence on government.

As for Christianity being the basis of science...well not really. There have been great minds who were also great believers. You rightfully mention Newton. Einstein was a believer as well. Personally, I don't believe there is anything in the writings of Stephen Hawkings which is inconsistent with a belief in a Creator. However, Galileo was persecuted for his "heresy", wasn't he, as were many others under similar circumstances.

And what protects our rights to free speech is the first amendment which also prevents government from favoring any individual religion.

In America, Christians are more persecuted than those of any other faith.

 

[jillian]

In America, Christians are more persecuted than those of any other faith.

Bull. You know anyone who's been prohibited from entering a Church and praying? From practicing their religion in their own home or with other members of their congregation or even setting up parochial schools to educate their children?

Not mixing government and religion is NOT persecution.


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Eightball:

A question for ya.... where in Newton's theory of gravity does he mention Christian Dogma?

And, if you know your medieval history, you know that the Dark Ages were a time when people were prohibited from exploring science upon pain of punishment by Church authorities. It wasn't until the Renaissance, with its freer, more secular society when science flourished and democratic principles began to take root.

 

[Eightball]

Bull. You know anyone who's been prohibited from entering a Church and praying? From practicing their religion in their own home or with other members of their congregation or even setting up parochial schools to educate their children?

Not mixing government and religion is NOT persecution.


*******

Eightball:

A question for ya.... where in Newton's theory of gravity does he mention Christian Dogma?

And, if you know your medieval history, you know that the Dark Ages were a time when people were prohibited from exploring science upon pain of punishment by Church authorities. It wasn't until the Renaissance, with its freer, more secular society when science flourished and democratic principles began to take root.

Jillian:

Respectfully, were those church leaders of the Dark Ages, biblical Christians?

Answer: No.

So to use the Dark Ages as an example of Christians committing to anti-ethical, or anti-scientific dogma is to say that Hitler was a Christian, because he said he was.

Hitler's Third Reich(thousand year reign), was his feeble attempt to add a biblical validation to his position, and deeds as Germany's head henchman/dictator.

Little is mentioned, but biblical Christians were marched off to the concentration camps and exterminated in huge numbers. They/biblical German Christians, were responsible for transporting many Jews out of Germany, and risking their lives in doing so.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer being one of the most notable biblical Christians to stand against Hitler.
http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/node/3

The N.T. defines what a Christian is via the life and teachings of Christ and his disciples.

The Church of the Dark Ages.......sold salvation to the highest bidder, as though they held the actual keys to heaven.

That Church of the Dark ages was no different from the prideful religious class of Pharisees and scribes that Jesus dealt with in Israel.

If Jesus had been incarnated in the Dark Ages, the religious leaders of that time would have most likely put Him to death as a heretic.

"They rejected the Cornerstone".
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Jefferson didn't make a new bible. The Jeffersonian bible was basically the old standard King James of his time that he conveniently sizzored out all passages that he/Jefferson didn't agree with or with his, A G E N D A. Yes, it was published after Jefferson butchered-out any verses that he didn't agree with. ........Talk about man wanting to ascend to the heavens and be like or equal to God.........or possibly.......attempt feebly to bring God down to himself. Jefferson's bible was just that.

The bible has always made unsaved man uncomfortable. That's because it goes totally against the grain of natural, carnal man's desire to be in control of his life, and all things affecting it. It offers a freedom of life that appears to the unregenerate soul to be bondage.

It truly is a spiritual struggle. Man fears that giving up involves losing something precious. Yet, once he/man metaphorically crosses the Jordan, the land of Canaan isn't a threat, but a new life of abundance, and freedom.

Metaphorically, man wanders and wanders in the wilderness, fearing monsters of fiction in the Land of Canaan.

Newton's faith in Christ didn't limit his ability/talents/intelligence to become the formost scientist. He wasn't ham-stringed with the church's dogma of the day, as he was a biblicist.

The bible is still being flayed, and beaten by unbelieving man. The bible holds up a standard that is impossible for man to attain. It holds up the life of Christ as Pre-eminent, and Holy. Men's knee's crumpled at the sight of Christ at His Transfiguration. Doubting Thomas felt His scars and exclaimed, "My Lord and my God!". Thomas would later be martyed for defending this Christian faith along with the others except for John who was exiled to the island of Patmos. Hundreds witnessed Christ's ascension into the clouds. Days later, thousands more on Pentacost received what Christ promised to come in His absence, the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Peter and the disciples boldly spoke to the many Jewish sojourners who were celebrating Pentacost in Jerusalem. Frightened before, but now filled with boldness, after receiving the Comforter(Holy Spirit), thousands became converts(born again as Jesus had told Nicodemus the Pharisee).

Christ said that it would be easier for a rich man to squeeze through the eye of a needle than to enter heaven. Why? Man's riches weren't just material, but all the things that unregenerate man holds as a treasure over acknowledging that God is pre-eminent, and deserving of praise, and thanks giving. Those treasures were, packaged under the heading of pride in; I.Q, one's abilities, looks, athletic prowess, monetary riches, possessions, power over other people, control over one's own destiny,........etc....

Those who are envious of other's wealth, have an unhealthy wealth of their own. It's covetness, and self-pride in believing that they are noble, and pure of heart. All of mankind is filled with some kind of wealth, that impedes seeing God for who He really is, and truly acknowledging that personally. Christ was the bridge....between that great gulf of Holiness(God) and Man's wretched pride in self(sin). He/Christ was a literal scape-goat for man.

Never-the-less, Frank Sinatra's mantra of, "I Did It My Way", will still ring loud in the human race. That's also biblical.......many will take the wide easy road of self absorption, and a few will take the narrow difficult road of new life through losing one's life.

 

[Dr Grump]

Your A G E N D A is very obvious. Anything biblical is an Anathema, unless it agrees with your A G E N D A.

Your right to bash/question/mock Christians is protected by a Constitution that was pulled together by men who believed in Judeau-Christian principles........Even good old Deist Jefferson and Rosecrusionist Ben Franklin too.

Respect, humility, and unconditional love, are not part of mankind's natural attributes, but part and parcel of disciplines learned through a God-abiding life, of voluntary servitude.

I think there is nothing wrong with questioning religious dogma. Mocking or bashing is a different thing all together.
I total disagree with your last statement. You don't need to learn those things through a god-abiding life or voluntary servitude. Those things have been taught in many religions, not just Christianity. Also, in this day and age, some people believe in those things without any kind of religious conviction.