Dr Grump
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Eightball said:Although I don't agree with your view, and find it quite alarming,
I do respect your right to it.
And I yours.
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Eightball said:Although I don't agree with your view, and find it quite alarming,
I do respect your right to it.
Originally Posted by Eightball
Although I don't agree with your view, and find it quite alarming,
I do respect your right to it.
Dr Grump said:And I yours.
dmp said:This scripture speaks to what is going on in 'the church' today:
2 Timothy, Chapter 4:
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Sad - but foretold and expected.
Avatar4321 said:United Methodists approve gay rights
Obviously the issue didnt come down to "What does the Bible say?"
Why are Christians being so swayed by the culture as to allow them to pretend the Bible is not against all unlawful sexual activity? Exactly how effective is a homosexual man living in his sins going to be in preaching repentence? If a straight preacher fell from the straight and narrow and was living in his sins he wouldnt be an effective preacher. Why is a gay preacher living in his sins any different?
Bullypulpit said:So, what's your point? This debate keeps cropping up, and you and the other homophobes keep making the same failed arguments. That homosexuality is a violation of God's laws, of the natural order, of the will of the majority, etc. , never producing ANY objective, documented evidence of demonstrable harm to the community at large or the individauls involved in a commited and loving homosexual relationship.
You don't have a leg to stand on.
Avatar4321 said:Depsite the fact that we have provided evidence of its harmful nature. Simply because you dont like the evidence does not mean it doesnt exist. You guys dont bother successfully refuting it, you just pretend it doesnt exist. which is ludicris.
The fact of the matter is when it comes to Christianity, homosexuality is wrong. Period. Any Christian compromising clear doctrine is wrong.
The fact you can't tell the difference between a discussion about Christians violating Christian doctrine and a political discussion on the harms of homosexuality demonstrates serious deficiencies in your ability to comprehend what is going on. A debate about Christian doctrine among Christians is going to be discussed differently then when its a political debate. This is religious. Hence why its in the religion forum.
Oh, and anyone who is afraid of a gay person is a pansy. Your attempts to label everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is unproductive. its an emotional attack to try to discredit people who disagree with you as bigots. its a typical liberal practice, try to claim your opponent is a bigot then you dont have to bother having an actual argument to support yourself.
You guys want to change fundamental institutions of society, then make intellectual arguments and take it to the people. Stop trying to malign anyone who disagrees with you and pretending as though they dont have valid reasons. Because quite honestly, the only bigot i ever see here is you. You have made it clear that you are completely intolerant to anyone who disagrees with you. And its quite sad. Stop with the emotion arguments and start discussing substance or shut up.
Eightball said:I think your problem with Dobson isn't his credentials, it's his Christian/biblical stance.
The minute a reputable person is identified as a biblical Christian, they're reputation points plummet with some.
Eightball said:That Water-Head, Dr. James Dobson, is a very respected pediatrician.
His radio talk show is carried on many secular, as well as many more Christian-based radio stations.
These secular radio stations are in major markets, many being major News-Talk stations affilitated with the major networks. Somehow Dr. Dobson's religious afffiliation and resulting ethics hasn't resulted low popularity.
Add to his media experience, he is a widely known writer, and respected speaker too.
He has refuted much of the Dr. Spock'ian influence of the 50's-60's that helped to create a "spoiled-brat" generation of Americans(flower children, LSD, unbridled sexual promiscuity,etc.), that lack strength of commitment beyond personal/selfish needs.
Dobson's information in his books on Homosexuality, and child rearing comes from his own clinical experience working with children and Adolescents.
I think your problem with Dobson isn't his credentials, it's his Christian/biblical stance.
The minute a reputable person is identified as a biblical Christian, they're reputation points plummet with some.
Eightball said:Would you be so kind as to document or present some of Dobson's views, either from his books, radio, public speaking, or television, that reflect "populist generalization without peer review. ", and please support this with referencing of dates, and critical reviews by other peers.
jillian said:If you think that there is any scientific basis for what this nutter says, then I'd suggest you might want to proffer it, rather than demanding proof of a negative.
jillian said:If you think that there is any scientific basis for what this nutter says, then I'd suggest you might want to proffer it, rather than demanding proof of a negative.
jillian said:If you think that there is any scientific basis for what this nutter says, then I'd suggest you might want to proffer it, rather than demanding proof of a negative.
Eightball said:Would you be so kind as to document or present some of Dobson's views, either from his books, radio, public speaking, or television, that reflect "populist generalization without peer review. ", and please support this with referencing of dates, and critical reviews by other peers.
dmp said:That's not what Eightball was asking; that's an off-topic question mostly.
Bullypulpit said:In essence, that's what 8ball was asking, and within the topic at hand.