Minnesota United Methodist approve gay rights resolution

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    United Methodists approve gay rights

    Obviously the issue didnt come down to "What does the Bible say?"

    Why are Christians being so swayed by the culture as to allow them to pretend the Bible is not against all unlawful sexual activity? Exactly how effective is a homosexual man living in his sins going to be in preaching repentence? If a straight preacher fell from the straight and narrow and was living in his sins he wouldnt be an effective preacher. Why is a gay preacher living in his sins any different?
     
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    Maybe they believe that God created people this way. Also, everyone consciously sins in daily life. This really isn't any different.
     
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    First, the whole point of Christ coming to Atone for our sins was to Redeem us from our fallen states. God created us in a perfect statute, yet when we enter mortality we adopt the corruption of the Fall. To argue that "God created people this way" or "Its perfectly natural" would involve ignoring the fact that right now in our Fallen state, what is natural is contrary to living a Godly life.

    Second, by continue living in our sins, we deny the power of the Atonement which enables us to put off the natural man. We are able to overcome the natural carnal urges of the body and become born again in Christ. By refusing to repent of ones sins, one refuses to acknowledge the power of Christ to change use. After all Repentence is a full and completely turning away from our sins. It's not just saying "Im a sinner, wo is me!" and expecting that to be enough to save us. Refusing to acknowledge the sin or excusing oneself because of our sinful nature is not repentence. Nor does it fulfill the requisite that ministers be an example to the people.
     
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    There's a really big difference between sinning occasionally, asking forgiveness, then attempting to stop sinning and sinning the same sin on a regular basis without showing shame or remorse and then telling everybody that's it's not a sin because you just can't help yourself. If you're gay and you want to be in the clergy, you're probably going to need to take up the age old Catholic practice of celibacy in order to keep yourself from falling into sin and deluding yourself into thinking it isn't sin. If you don't have sex, your sexual orientation is rather irrelevant, so you can just keep it to yourself. Dying a Heaven-bound virgin is far preferable than going to Hell with an orgasm.
     
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    So you acknowledge that one's sexual orientation is something one is born with and you're saying it's okay to be homosexual as long as you don't act on it?
     
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    No we don't. We believe the bible says its a sin.

    But it appears that the leadership of our church is folding to the liberal ideas of the day. Chalk up another victory for liberals. I'll be looking for a new church.
     
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    What if it is genetic? All men are born into sin. Should we allow drunkneness, lying, stealing or murder to go unchecked because of genetic tendencies? Are we not suppose ask for forgivess, reject sin & strive to attain perfection? Not all sin is genetic. Some choose sin.
     
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    From what I understand you can be a lying, cheating, murdering sonofabitch right up to your death bed, but as long as you ask for forgiveness and take the lord into your arms the moment before you die, all is forgiven. Sounds like a great option if you're a hedonist!!
     
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    If it turns out that homosexuality is an untreatable condition a person is born with, do you think it fair or just to demand they live a life of celibacy or engage in heterosexual sex that they find as repulsive as we find homosexual sex in order to satisfy some people's sense of morality?
     
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    I'm not demanding anything. The Bible lists homosexuality as '"an abomination" along with the others things I listed. God does not condemn retardation, club feet, blindness, cancer, or other diseases that are unpreventable. Those that man has control over, are.
     

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