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And that hourly wage is probably slightly above your IQ.
You can't refute my post so you decide to insult.
There is nothing to refute. You didn't provide any substance other than an unfounded and biased opinion.
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And that hourly wage is probably slightly above your IQ.
You can't refute my post so you decide to insult.
Did you ever stop to think who made the design and how orders the parts and where they come from, the material the "workers" were told to use.
Is that maybe why they were substandard,no that is far out of your cognizant ability.
Profit for the manufacturers is up, they sell LESS cars now. Unions sucked them dry. Once the y went bankrupt and broke the contracts, life is good. You have no understanding of this topic.
Also, don't blame us for being smarter to survive out here the "wilderness". I understand why you need to live in a herd, its your mentality.
Did you ever stop to think who made the design and how orders the parts and where they come from, the material the "workers" were told to use.
Is that maybe why they were substandard,no that is far out of your cognizant ability.
Not true, it was substandard parts production by union workers.
Unions did not design these cars. They were not responsible for the closings. Not enough sales were. You were talking about how unions destroyed Michigan's jobs. Obviously, they didn't. Management of American car makers and outsourcing did. Idiocy and greed strikes again.
Profit for the manufacturers is up, they sell LESS cars now. Unions sucked them dry. Once the y went bankrupt and broke the contracts, life is good. You have no understanding of this topic.
Also, don't blame us for being smarter to survive out here the "wilderness". I understand why you need to live in a herd, its your mentality.
No one forced any of the car companies to sign any contract involuntarily. If a company cannot meet its obligations, whether they be to its creditors, its customers, or its employees - that's 100% management's fault.
Profit for the manufacturers is up, they sell LESS cars now. Unions sucked them dry. Once the y went bankrupt and broke the contracts, life is good. You have no understanding of this topic.
Also, don't blame us for being smarter to survive out here the "wilderness". I understand why you need to live in a herd, its your mentality.
No one forced any of the car companies to sign any contract involuntarily. If a company cannot meet its obligations, whether they be to its creditors, its customers, or its employees - that's 100% management's fault.
Eventually, the company outsourced to control labor costs. That cost jobs which the unions allowed. Seems like the union would try to support their membership, but no they sold them out.
Enjoy your low wage jobs, where they can fire you for no reason whatsoever.
God, when did Americans get this stupid???
.So labor should have no leverage whatsoever..
how is that "freedom and liberty"?
Well, it is for the slave-wage employer I guess...
There is nothing to refute. You didn't provide any substance other than an unfounded and biased opinion.
Profit for the manufacturers is up, they sell LESS cars now. Unions sucked them dry. Once the y went bankrupt and broke the contracts, life is good. You have no understanding of this topic.
Also, don't blame us for being smarter to survive out here the "wilderness". I understand why you need to live in a herd, its your mentality.
Bitch, I grew up in Appalachia. Don't hand me that city slicker bullshit. You still haven't refuted that unions didn't design and source the shitty cars of the 70's, 80's and 90's that nobody wanted to buy. But keep on with your propaganda squawk about unions. I obviously know more about them than you do, which is sad considering you're in the 'wilderness".
Way to go! Step in the right direction to save another state from Union Thuggery that destroys industries and decimates our manufacturing sector!!!
Politics: Michigan's Governor, Rick Snyder, announces right-to-work fight | CainTV
After living under the tax-and-spend yoke of Jennifer Granholm for eight years, Michigan was in complete financial disarray. The state changed course in 2011, after placing Republican Rick Snyder in the Governor's mansion. In just one year, he managed to begin the turnaround, posting a $457 million surplus. Since then, most believe he's done a solid job of steering Michigan toward a better future.
Snyder has announced that he wants to see Michigan's legislature pass right a right-to-work bill, and that he'll definitely sign it when it makes it to his office.
According to State House Speaker Jase Bolger, the move is a no-brainer. "Workers," he said, "deserve the freedom to decide which organizations they want to join and which organizations they do not want to join. These are values that should unite us, they should not divide us."
The new law would affect almost 20% of Michigan's workforce, though it would include exemptions for police and firefighter unions. These organizations are protected by existing law and the state constitution.
Given that GM, Ford, and Chrysler are all headquartered in the Detroit area, the repercussions are as much national as they are local. While spoiled, union-controlled, Detroit leadership demands a federal bailout, the rest of us have been fighting to free the area from their influence. In a state where the unions have spent eighty years cementing their power and buying their influence, you can rest assured that the battle is about to get very, very, nasty.
Just imagine a Michigan, and a big three, that had finally been relieved of an unalterable adherence to oppressive, lopsided, union contracts.
Median wages for workers living in right-to-work states were $11.45, while wages for those living in non-RTW states were $13.00, indicating that wages were 11.9% lower in RTW states.
Michigan's middle class and working poor can now look forward to LOWER WAGES
The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute
Median wages for workers living in right-to-work states were $11.45, while wages for those living in non-RTW states were $13.00, indicating that wages were 11.9% lower in RTW states.
Refute what? Your insult of Saveliberty?And that hourly wage is probably slightly above your IQ.
You can't refute my post so you decide to insult. Keepin' it classy, I see. I've worked in two right (not) to work states and I hope I never have to again. We need more unions in the private sector, not less. Labor has almost lost all of its voice. Employers are engaging in full-blown exploitation of labor all while making record profits & record productivity, and you know it. I guess you won't be happy until wage earners are trying to live on $30 a week, or corporations bring back work houses. That's exactly where we're headed.
90 companies moved to a smarter state???? What's wrong with those people? They wanna make a livin' or something!!!!Last night, Snyder was being interviewed and said it had to be done because Indiana had become a right to work state and 90 companies moved there.
Michigan's middle class and working poor can now look forward to LOWER WAGES
The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute
Median wages for workers living in right-to-work states were $11.45, while wages for those living in non-RTW states were $13.00, indicating that wages were 11.9% lower in RTW states.
2001 report
Doctor Doh digs living in the past. It's just a little arrested Doh-velopment, that's all.Michigan's middle class and working poor can now look forward to LOWER WAGES
The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute
Median wages for workers living in right-to-work states were $11.45, while wages for those living in non-RTW states were $13.00, indicating that wages were 11.9% lower in RTW states.
2001 report
They sold millions upon millions of cars during that period. Nothing you have said has proven factual in the least. Everyone knows a story about a lazy union worker. Some of them have BRAGGED to me about sleeping on the job or breaking an expensive piece of machinery on purpose.
Less than who? 1.5% of the population? Doh!Michigan's middle class and working poor can now look forward to LOWER WAGES
The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute
2001 report
Here's one from 2011
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf#page=9
STILL LOWER
workers in RTW states make on average $1500 per year LESS.