Message to Al-Qaeda.

[pbel]

Lapid appeals to haredi public

Finance minister says haredi leaders lose grip on devotees, who must cooperate with law to end circle of povery, join society

The finance minister further added that "What is concurring is not an attack on the world of Torah. We have no intention of imposing secular values and our way of life on you, nor our version of 'Israeliness.' This state was created so that people could live as Jews without fear of prosecution. Yet we can't go on like this. If Syria is falling apart and thousands of al-Qaeda terrorists are laying seige on our borders, this is your problem as well, and we need you there wielding weapons."

Lapid then asked his audience to conjure up a scenario where war has broken out and Israel is invaded by its enemies, and everyone is called to arms. "You're called to protect our children from the enemy, and no one budges. They all pretend it is not happening. It is occuring outside your window, just as the economic crisis is going on outside your window and it's time to stop pretending that you don't exist."

"If you believe you have something to contribute, don't hedge yourself, don't close yourself off from us. Our commitment is to accept you as you are. Your commitment is to stop treating us as gentiles. This law will give you the opportunity to remove the barriers of hostility. It will give you an opportunity to improve your situation and make a proper living, to stop counting every shekel."

Lapid appeals to haredi public - Israel News, Ynetnews

curiouser and curiouser.

weren't the haredim the indigenous jews, around before zionist migration?

very odd message to send to the world, kinda like a heavyweight glove fighter having "i have a glass jaw" tattooed across his forhead in big, fat, bold letters.

Haredim (religious) Jews ofter view secular Israelis as Gentiles because they don't cover their heads, eat kosher food, keep the Sabbath, etc. I don't understand your boxer analogy.

Please though point out the difference, Hareidim here are not called "religious" because the Haredim are a small community and the religious community, is about 30% of Israeli Jews.

Haredim are the Unltra-orthodox ones, the religious group is the GENERAL group of ALL religious people, which includes the Zionists, Religious-Zionists, Breslavim, and many other groups which are not Hareidim.

Big difference.

Not to mention 20% of Israelis are Atheists...Blood is thicker at whatever gods maybe.

 

[Hossfly]

It is not a whatever. It is a lie.

You tell 'em, Paul. You now have the documents to prove it.

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study - Foreword, table of contents (30 June 1990)

Current happenings.

ABOUT UNISPAL

Indeed, from your link:

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

The question of Palestine was brought before the United Nations shortly after the end of the Second World War.

The origins of the Palestine problem as an international issue, however, lie in events occurring towards the end of the First World War. These events led to a League of Nations decision to place Palestine under the administration of Great Britain as the Mandatory Power under the Mandates System adopted by the League. In principle, the Mandate was meant to be in the nature of a transitory phase until Palestine attained the status of a fully independent nation, a status provisionally recognized in the League's Covenant, but in fact the Mandate's historical evolution did not result in the emergence of Palestine as an independent nation.

The decision on the Mandate did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine, despite the Covenant's requirements that "the wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory". This assumed special significance because, almost five years before receiving the mandate from the League of Nations, the British Government had given commitments to the Zionist Organization regarding the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, for which Zionist leaders had pressed a claim of "historical connection" since their ancestors had lived in Palestine two thousand years earlier before dispersing in the "Diaspora".

During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close.

It all boils down to the fact that the Arabs wouldn't recognize Israel plus they were told to leave the area and when the land was cleaned of Jews they could come back and claim it. Life is a bitch when you don't play by the rules.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You tell 'em, Paul. You now have the documents to prove it.

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study - Foreword, table of contents (30 June 1990)

Current happenings.

ABOUT UNISPAL

Indeed, from your link:

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

The question of Palestine was brought before the United Nations shortly after the end of the Second World War.

The origins of the Palestine problem as an international issue, however, lie in events occurring towards the end of the First World War. These events led to a League of Nations decision to place Palestine under the administration of Great Britain as the Mandatory Power under the Mandates System adopted by the League. In principle, the Mandate was meant to be in the nature of a transitory phase until Palestine attained the status of a fully independent nation, a status provisionally recognized in the League's Covenant, but in fact the Mandate's historical evolution did not result in the emergence of Palestine as an independent nation.

The decision on the Mandate did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine, despite the Covenant's requirements that "the wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory". This assumed special significance because, almost five years before receiving the mandate from the League of Nations, the British Government had given commitments to the Zionist Organization regarding the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, for which Zionist leaders had pressed a claim of "historical connection" since their ancestors had lived in Palestine two thousand years earlier before dispersing in the "Diaspora".

During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close.

It all boils down to the fact that the Arabs wouldn't recognize Israel plus they were told to leave the area and when the land was cleaned of Jews they could come back and claim it. Life is a bitch when you don't play by the rules.

Recognize Israel where? Israel has no land or borders. What are they supposed to recognize? Where is it?

 

[Hossfly]

United Nations Map

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


World Atlas Map with 3 page description.

Israel Map / Geography of Israel / Map of Israel - Worldatlas.com

Tell us how wrong they are.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Message to Al-Qaeda.

Here's my message to Al-Qaeda. Eat a pork sandwich and go fuck yourself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

United Nations Map

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


World Atlas Map with 3 page description.

Israel Map / Geography of Israel / Map of Israel - Worldatlas.com

Tell us how wrong they are.

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf

Read what it says in the bottom left corner of that map.

 

[pbel]

Message to Al-Qaeda.

Here's my message to Al-Qaeda. Eat a pork sandwich and go fuck yourself.

got to thank you for the precision of your message.

 

[Hossfly]

United Nations Map

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


World Atlas Map with 3 page description.

Israel Map / Geography of Israel / Map of Israel - Worldatlas.com

Tell us how wrong they are.

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf

Read what it says in the bottom left corner of that map.

Merely a disclaimer showing neutrality. Get out of that fantasy you're in and join the rest of the world. Nothing ain't gonna change. Get used to it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

United Nations Map

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


World Atlas Map with 3 page description.

Israel Map / Geography of Israel / Map of Israel - Worldatlas.com

Tell us how wrong they are.

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf

Read what it says in the bottom left corner of that map.

Merely a disclaimer showing neutrality. Get out of that fantasy you're in and join the rest of the world. Nothing ain't gonna change. Get used to it.

Indeed, it is a disclaimer saying that the info may not be correct.

 

[RoccoR]

United Nations Map

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


World Atlas Map with 3 page description.

Israel Map / Geography of Israel / Map of Israel - Worldatlas.com

Tell us how wrong they are.

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf

Read what it says in the bottom left corner of that map.

(REFERENCE)

The designations employed and the presentation of material on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.

Standard UN Cartography Boilerplate. In essence, the Map cannot be used as a standalone document. Its interpretation belongs to a parent document. Secretariat of the United Nations does not render legal opinions, it publishes them.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

United Nations Map

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf


World Atlas Map with 3 page description.

Israel Map / Geography of Israel / Map of Israel - Worldatlas.com

Tell us how wrong they are.

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf

Read what it says in the bottom left corner of that map.

(REFERENCE)

The designations employed and the presentation of material on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.

Standard UN Cartography Boilerplate. In essence, the Map cannot be used as a standalone document. Its interpretation belongs to a parent document. Secretariat of the United Nations does not render legal opinions, it publishes them.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, so the map cannot be used as a valid source. The poster needs to try again to answer the question.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nearly all UN Maps fall in this category.

http://www.un.org/depts/Cartographic/map/profile/israel.pdf

Read what it says in the bottom left corner of that map.

(REFERENCE)

The designations employed and the presentation of material on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.

Standard UN Cartography Boilerplate. In essence, the Map cannot be used as a standalone document. Its interpretation belongs to a parent document. Secretariat of the United Nations does not render legal opinions, it publishes them.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, so the map cannot be used as a valid source. The poster needs to try again to answer the question.

(COMMENT)

It is an excellent source. The problem is that it is not intended to be used in a discussion like this. Maps are particularly problematic for these discussions because of the resolution factor in time and space; hence, the disclaimer.

Legal status is a question to be answered directly by Armistice and Treaty; or by judicial body; unless it is a GA declaration.

The argument over Palestine 'vs' Israel is a political debate. Legally, there is a country called Israel and it has (today) borders set by Armistice and Treaty. It is a sovereign nation with its own integrity. The dispute over borders is a contrivance set by the HoAP to justify the existing confrontation; a consequence of the GA not awarding the Mandate Territory that was artificially created, to the Arab.

The continuous civil unrest and violence promulgated by the Hostile Arab/Palestinian (HoAP), coupled with the persistence in the incitement and provocation to multiple wars, for more than half a century, has set a tone for a feudal relationship that is (described by many) as unreconcilable.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nearly all UN Maps fall in this category.

(REFERENCE)



Standard UN Cartography Boilerplate. In essence, the Map cannot be used as a standalone document. Its interpretation belongs to a parent document. Secretariat of the United Nations does not render legal opinions, it publishes them.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, so the map cannot be used as a valid source. The poster needs to try again to answer the question.

(COMMENT)

It is an excellent source. The problem is that it is not intended to be used in a discussion like this. Maps are particularly problematic for these discussions because of the resolution factor in time and space; hence, the disclaimer.

Legal status is a question to be answered directly by Armistice and Treaty; or by judicial body; unless it is a GA declaration.

The argument over Palestine 'vs' Israel is a political debate. Legally, there is a country called Israel and it has (today) borders set by Armistice and Treaty. It is a sovereign nation with its own integrity. The dispute over borders is a contrivance set by the HoAP to justify the existing confrontation; a consequence of the GA not awarding the Mandate Territory that was artificially created, to the Arab.

The continuous civil unrest and violence promulgated by the Hostile Arab/Palestinian (HoAP), coupled with the persistence in the incitement and provocation to multiple wars, for more than half a century, has set a tone for a feudal relationship that is (described by many) as unreconcilable.

Most Respectfully,
R

Legal status is a question to be answered directly by Armistice and Treaty; or by judicial body; unless it is a GA declaration.

Indeed, to date Israel has nothing.