Men in women's bathrooms

[Renae]

It's not political correctness, it simple correctness.

Who are you going to beat up and why would you do it? You're going to beat this guy up because he uses the men's room but has a vagina?

No... it's liberal knucklehead stupidity is what it is.

I'm not going to beat anyone up for using a MENS room. I don't have a problem with vaginas in a MENS room. My problem is with penises in a WOMENS room... I am not going to tolerate penises in the restroom with my daughter, and IF I should encounter such a thing, someone is going to get hurt very badly. I promise that.

You're a real tough guy, guess what. She's already been in a restroom with a Transgender person. The statistics say it's likely, and more likely each and every day.

No the statistics don't lol.

Your mental illness is so rare that you're more likely to never see one than run into one.

Just like your "condition" is a figment of your imagination so too is the fact that you comprise some large portion of ANY community.

Like I said earlier, pretend is not a reflection of reality.

You really do live in a world of willful ignorance don't you?

No I just read medical studies since the topic has become so hot in the political realm. The things I've read do not match your rhetoric. The last stat I remember seeing was that transgender comprise .005%

"It used data from two surveys. One was a statewide health survey in Massachusetts that asked people if they were transgender and found that 0.5 percent of people said they were. Another was a California survey about tobacco use among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Just over 3 percent identified as transgender, implying that 0.1 percent of adults in California were transgender, based on the Williams Institute’s estimate of the percentage of the total population that is L.G.B.T. (3.5 percent)."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/u...imate-of-the-transgender-population.html?_r=0

We're more common then you think, and as society learns to stop hating us because we are different the more of us will not live in the shadows of fear. However I don't expect the trans community to exceed 2-4% of the population, ever.

 

[Seawytch]

Has a penis...

gonna beat her up?

Has a penis

Gonna beat her up?

It would be a hate crime, so problem solved and they can comfortably go into the men's room

Do you and Grandpa Pointingmonkey start drinking together early in the morning?

I had enough respect for you to not shred you for your parenting decisions so kindly fuck off.

Go ahead, try to "shred" me for my parenting. What parenting skill will you "shred" me over? Letting a trans woman take my 5 year old to the restroom or letting her have sleepovers with "normal" families where the daddies were diddling their daughters?

I already told you I am not going there. FAMILY IS OFF LIMITS.

We aren't talking families, I'm asking you to shred ME for MY parenting skills. You seem to think you can. I'm giving you permission. Shred away...either you're going to "shred" me because I let a trans woman escort her to the restroom or because I let her go on sleepovers with "normal" families. So go ahead, do it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

How are you going to catch them, pee pee police?

Maybe so, maybe us concerned fathers need to start a movement of our own? We can find adult women to patrol the WOMENS rooms for penises and report anything they see. If that's what we need to do these days, maybe we should?

I am so fed up with this idiotic conversation, I don't even want to discuss it anymore. Keep your goddamn pervert asses out of my daughter's restroom or die motherfuckers!

It's going to be fun watching you over the next few years.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I notice that the people who are fine with a male in a bathroom with their 8-year old daughter are the same people who would be fine with their scantily-clad 18-year old daughter alone at a frat party with a bunch of horny, drunk football players.
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Oh yeah? Who would these "same people" be? My daughter, who is now 14, has been in a bathroom with a "male" by the bigot's definition. In fact, I sent my daughter into the bathroom with said "male". I was busy at a gay parenting group function and my my daughter had to pee. The trans woman helping me took her. Never once was I concerned with her safety.

Two of my daughter's best friends were molested. One by her father, another by her step father. My daughter was far, far, far safer in the restroom with that "male" (who is not a male, you fucking bigots) than she was on sleepovers with her friends.

Is there something in my post that is incorrect?
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You seem to think I'd be fine with allowing my daughter to be scantily clad at a frat party because I'm fine with allowing transexuals to use the restroom of the gender with which they associate. Do you believe that to be the case because I let my daughter, when she was 5, accompany a preoperative trans women into the women's restroom?

I'm merely expressing an observation.

We're told in another thread that anyone who thinks a woman is increasing her risk of being attacked by behaving in certain ways hates women (or something, who knows).

If you don't agree with that, then you would be an exception to the rule.
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Really? Name 5 people who believe that. You are talking out of your ass.

 

[Renae]

Call me anything you like freak. Matters not as I am mentally sound so the implication that "I'M SOMETHING I'M NOT" is irrelevant because I know the facts.
Find a psychiatrist and get help...

Okay, I have.
Been to quite a few. Do you know some magic therapy I've missed? I played football in hs, we even took the Kansas 6A State Championship in 94, I played Defensive End. How about getting married having a couple of kids, being "dad". Yeah tried that. I even spent ten years in the military protecting your rights. In every one of those endeavors, I did the best I could, and still didn't fix the issue.
So how do I stop being who I am? That's like asking the left handed guy to throw right handed because you think it's wrong to be left handed.

There is a drug that has been proven in clinical studies to reverse your condition.

Wait, really, what drug is this. First I've heard of it. Do you have more information.

It has been a while since I read about it so I will have to do some searching to find the info. In the mean time check this out...

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

A study form 2004?
Try something more recent:
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Background
The frequency of gender identity disorder is hard to determine; the number of gender reassignment operations and of court proceedings in accordance with the German Law on Transsexuality almost certainly do not fully reflect the underlying reality. There have been only a few studies on patient satisfaction with male-to-female gender reassignment surgery.

Methods
254 consecutive patients who had undergone male-to-female gender reassignment surgery at Essen University Hospital’s Department of Urology retrospectively filled out a questionnaire about their subjective postoperative satisfaction.

Results
119 (46.9%) of the patients filled out and returned the questionnaires, at a mean of 5.05 years after surgery (standard deviation 1.61 years, range 1–7 years). 90.2% said their expectations for life as a woman were fulfilled postoperatively. 85.4% saw themselves as women. 61.2% were satisfied, and 26.2% very satisfied, with their outward appearance as a woman; 37.6% were satisfied, and 34.4% very satisfied, with the functional outcome. 65.7% said they were satisfied with their life as it is now.

Conclusion
The very high rates of subjective satisfaction and the surgical outcomes indicate that gender reassignment surgery is beneficial. These findings must be interpreted with caution, however, because fewer than half of the questionnaires were returned.
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Satisfaction With Male-to-Female Gender Reassignment Surgery: Results of a Retrospective Analysis

The safeguards in place to prevent fetish gender reassignment and misdiagnoses really helps.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

No... it's liberal knucklehead stupidity is what it is.

I'm not going to beat anyone up for using a MENS room. I don't have a problem with vaginas in a MENS room. My problem is with penises in a WOMENS room... I am not going to tolerate penises in the restroom with my daughter, and IF I should encounter such a thing, someone is going to get hurt very badly. I promise that.

You're a real tough guy, guess what. She's already been in a restroom with a Transgender person. The statistics say it's likely, and more likely each and every day.

No the statistics don't lol.

Your mental illness is so rare that you're more likely to never see one than run into one.

Just like your "condition" is a figment of your imagination so too is the fact that you comprise some large portion of ANY community.

Like I said earlier, pretend is not a reflection of reality.

You really do live in a world of willful ignorance don't you?

No I just read medical studies since the topic has become so hot in the political realm. The things I've read do not match your rhetoric. The last stat I remember seeing was that transgender comprise .005%

"It used data from two surveys. One was a statewide health survey in Massachusetts that asked people if they were transgender and found that 0.5 percent of people said they were. Another was a California survey about tobacco use among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Just over 3 percent identified as transgender, implying that 0.1 percent of adults in California were transgender, based on the Williams Institute’s estimate of the percentage of the total population that is L.G.B.T. (3.5 percent)."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/u...imate-of-the-transgender-population.html?_r=0

We're more common then you think, and as society learns to stop hating us because we are different the more of us will not live in the shadows of fear. However I don't expect the trans community to exceed 2-4% of the population, ever.

You confuse hate with pity. While I will agree there is indeed hate, this board is not a reflection of society in any way shape or form.

 

[Seawytch]

You know...it's a terrible thing to even consider wishing upon a trans child, but we know that the only thing that changes the hearts and minds of the haters like we've seen in these threads is for it to happen to them. We've seen that with the Republican politicians that supported gay marriage, folks like Huntsman and Cheney. Maybe Caitlin Jenner can help, but I think they'll chase her out before she can effect any change from within.

 

[easyt65]

Liberal Insanity.

'NUFF SAID....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It would be a hate crime, so problem solved and they can comfortably go into the men's room

Do you and Grandpa Pointingmonkey start drinking together early in the morning?

I had enough respect for you to not shred you for your parenting decisions so kindly fuck off.

Go ahead, try to "shred" me for my parenting. What parenting skill will you "shred" me over? Letting a trans woman take my 5 year old to the restroom or letting her have sleepovers with "normal" families where the daddies were diddling their daughters?

I already told you I am not going there. FAMILY IS OFF LIMITS.

We aren't talking families, I'm asking you to shred ME for MY parenting skills. You seem to think you can. I'm giving you permission. Shred away...either you're going to "shred" me because I let a trans woman escort her to the restroom or because I let her go on sleepovers with "normal" families. So go ahead, do it.

Using you daughter as fodder in a political debate is indeed family and I am not taking the bait dear.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You know...it's a terrible thing to even consider wishing upon a trans child, but we know that the only thing that changes the hearts and minds of the haters like we've seen in these threads is for it to happen to them. We've seen that with the Republican politicians that supported gay marriage, folks like Huntsman and Cheney. Maybe Caitlin Jenner can help, but I think they'll chase her out before she can effect any change from within.

Supporting gay marriage =/= supporting denying biology

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

You know...it's a terrible thing to even consider wishing upon a trans child, but we know that the only thing that changes the hearts and minds of the haters like we've seen in these threads is for it to happen to them. We've seen that with the Republican politicians that supported gay marriage, folks like Huntsman and Cheney. Maybe Caitlin Jenner can help, but I think they'll chase her out before she can effect any change from within.

"You know...it's a terrible thing to even consider wishing upon a trans child"

There's no such thing as a trans child, what there is are psychologically messed-up parents inflicting child abuse on a normal child and/or children.

Edited for spelling error.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I notice that the people who are fine with a male in a bathroom with their 8-year old daughter are the same people who would be fine with their scantily-clad 18-year old daughter alone at a frat party with a bunch of horny, drunk football players.
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Everyone notices that this is a ridiculous lie – the usual fear-mongering and demagoguery from the right.

The issue has nothing to do with men using the women’s restroom – again, that’s a moronic red herring fallacy.

The issue is the unwarranted hate most on the right have with regard to transgender Americans, and the lies they contrive in an effort to disadvantage transgender Americans, this nonsense about ‘restrooms’ being one of the right’s more reprehensible lies.

Girls are not going to be ‘molested’ in restrooms by transgender women – that’s a lie.

No one is advocating that girls be 'molested' in restrooms by men – that’s a lie.

We’re once again subject to the same tedious ignorance, fear, bigotry, and hate common to most on the right; we had to endure it with gay Americans, now it’s transgender Americans.

 

[Mac1958]

The Regressive Left/PC Police will automatically attack anyone who questions them to any degree whatsoever.

Are there conservative bigots out there? Of course. But there are also decent people who have sincere, legitimate concerns.

Trying to communicate with people like this is an exercise in futility. They are every bit as bigoted and hateful as those they so loathe.
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[Mac1958]

I notice that the people who are fine with a male in a bathroom with their 8-year old daughter are the same people who would be fine with their scantily-clad 18-year old daughter alone at a frat party with a bunch of horny, drunk football players.
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Everyone notices that this is a ridiculous lie – the usual fear-mongering and demagoguery from the right.

The issue has nothing to do with men using the women’s restroom – again, that’s a moronic red herring fallacy.

The issue is the unwarranted hate most on the right have with regard to transgender Americans, and the lies they contrive in an effort to disadvantage transgender Americans, this nonsense about ‘restrooms’ being one of the right’s more reprehensible lies.

Girls are not going to be ‘molested’ in restrooms by transgender women – that’s a lie.

No one is advocating that girls be 'molested' in restrooms by men – that’s a lie.

We’re once again subject to the same tedious ignorance, fear, bigotry, and hate common to most on the right; we had to endure it with gay Americans, now it’s transgender Americans.

Wow, look at all the straw men, attacking things I didn't say.

You people appear to be genetically incapable of honesty.

I already knew that, of course.
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[Seawytch]

Do you and Grandpa Pointingmonkey start drinking together early in the morning?

I had enough respect for you to not shred you for your parenting decisions so kindly fuck off.

Go ahead, try to "shred" me for my parenting. What parenting skill will you "shred" me over? Letting a trans woman take my 5 year old to the restroom or letting her have sleepovers with "normal" families where the daddies were diddling their daughters?

I already told you I am not going there. FAMILY IS OFF LIMITS.

We aren't talking families, I'm asking you to shred ME for MY parenting skills. You seem to think you can. I'm giving you permission. Shred away...either you're going to "shred" me because I let a trans woman escort her to the restroom or because I let her go on sleepovers with "normal" families. So go ahead, do it.

Using you daughter as fodder in a political debate is indeed family and I am not taking the bait dear.

I'm not using her for anything beyond an example of MY parenting ability, which you claim you can "shred". You know you can't so you're going to pussy out.

 

[Seawytch]

The Regressive Left/PC Police will automatically attack anyone who questions them to any degree whatsoever.

Are there conservative bigots out there? Of course. But there are also decent people who have sincere, legitimate concerns.

Trying to communicate with people like this is an exercise in futility. They are every bit as bigoted and hateful as those they so loathe.
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Where are the "decent" people with "legitimate concerns"? They aren't having a discussion on this board.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

A THIRTY YEAR study of the after effects on transgender surgery. Yes the study is old but the results speak for themselves.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

A NEW study that will be published later this year.

Gender Ideology Harms Children

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

From the last article cited:

No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness & sense of one's self as a male or female) is a sociological & psychological concept not an objective biological one.

 

[Renae]

The Regressive Left/PC Police will automatically attack anyone who questions them to any degree whatsoever.

Are there conservative bigots out there? Of course. But there are also decent people who have sincere, legitimate concerns.

Trying to communicate with people like this is an exercise in futility. They are every bit as bigoted and hateful as those they so loathe.
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Voice concensus that are legitimate. transgender woman is low risk for sexual preditation. Are there men who are willing abuse the rights of everyone to get thier sick jollys? yep. However you cannot limit my rights becuase of a few bad actors, that's the argument lefties user for gun control.