Medicare For All Fastest way to capitalism?

they have democratic socialism in Europe and live at 65% of our GDP. THe french are literally rioting in the streets because huge taxes have not helped. Obama was socialist and had worst economic record in US history with not one year of 3% growth.

Obama saved a bunch of big corporatoins, so he was doing a pretty shitty job as a socialist. A socialist nationalizes the corporations and sends the Execs to a re-education camp. Which frankly, is something I owuld have liked to have seen done after the 2008 recession.

obviously it would have been 1000 times smarter to send the soviet bank regulators to camps for causing the crisis by interfering with capitalism. socialism killed 120 million
 
higher paid labor pays more in taxes and create more in demand.
so?? those unemployed by the minimum wage pay no taxes and require welfare. You're still making kindergarten arguments 5 years later
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, still solves that simple economic engineering problem, five years later.
and when you are beaten you talk gibberish to cover it up. pathetic.
 
obviously it would have been 1000 times smarter to send the soviet bank regulators to camps for causing the crisis by interfering with capitalism. socialism killed 120 million

Okay, buddy, we are all kind of bored with your leftover Bircher propaganda... because it's boring.

The thing was, 2008 was Capitalism at it's best. Working people got screwed, the one percent got richer.
 
Health care for all (Medicare for all) would be cheaper and better. It would replace the convoluted socialist system we have now with a simple more efficient socialist system. Then we could require published prices and higher copays until we had capitalistic price and quality controls.

Prices fixed by the government is not a Capitalistic economy. I'd have thought you knew that by now.

Here's the minimum cost again and you know how governments first estimate work out! :D

Politics
‘Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR)
July 30, 2018, 12:43 AM EDT Updated on July 30, 2018, 1:11 PM EDT

Washington (AP) -- Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I an certain you are already aware that AOC's plan will cost $40 TRILLION over 10 years. If you believe that...well you know.
 
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You have been reading trash from socialized medicine articles.

Family Doctors are being replaced by NP's and PA's with Doctors overseeing them. There will still be specialists.

WOW, you sure haven't done any serious research on your own, have you. Your ignorance is a bit overwhelming.

You mean we'll be like Canada, with draconian tax rates.
 
WOW, you sure haven't done any serious research on your own, have you. Your ignorance is a bit overwhelming.

You mean we'll be like Canada, with draconian tax rates.

Doesn't look so bad to me.

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Here's the thing. We are already paying for everyone else's health care through the cost of health care being added to every service and product created in this country.

We spend 18% of GDP on Health Care while Canada spends 8%.
 
Health care for all (Medicare for all) would be cheaper and better. It would replace the convoluted socialist system we have now with a simple more efficient socialist system. Then we could require published prices and higher copays until we had capitalistic price and quality controls.

Prices fixed by the government is not a Capitalistic economy. I'd have thought you knew that by now.

Here's the minimum cost again and you know how governments first estimate work out! :D

Politics
‘Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR)
July 30, 2018, 12:43 AM EDT Updated on July 30, 2018, 1:11 PM EDT

Washington (AP) -- Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I an certain you are already aware that AOC's plan will cost $40 TRILLION over 10 years. If you believe that...well you know.

sure beats the Ceo's of insurance companies making millions a year.
 
you need a link to show Europe pays 30-40% of what we do for health care???

As you know, where it is offered, the taxes in that country for income taxes alone and they all have astronomical VAT taxes which is almost everything you buy. The Vat Tax will run 20-25 percent of whatever it is you buy. You get a tax free allowance for groceries, medicine and such.

During your life, Americans move more than eleven times in their lifetime. Far more than any other country who simply cannot afford to move that many times.

As you know too, health care in both Great Britain and Canada is far inferior to our own with months-long waiting lists for Specialists and many GP's.

Why do you want such a failed system? It's like buying in last on a Ponzi Scheme.

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Nope. Socialism is imposed by government. Try again.

Nope, socialism is pooling of resources. They had socialism in the Israeli Kibbutzes, and it worked just fine for them.

Well, play whatever equivocation games you like - it makes your argument about as meaningful as daniel's koans.

So one more time, your insurance company is socialist. Sorry It just is. The only difference is that Ed Hanaway (Evil Cocksucker) lives a lot better than any Soviet Commissar would ever dream of living.

The difference is the Soviet Commissar is authorized to imprison or kill you if you don't obey. Insurance companies are not. Your inability to grasp this undermines your entire position.

As you know, it would have been the IRS who collected your mandatory payment, withholding your tax return if you had not paid in full. Then it would go to the insurance companies.
 
sure beats the Ceo's of insurance companies making millions a year.


That amount would more than double our current budget, DOUBLE. AOC was tongue-tied when asked where that money would come from and has not provided an answer. She had no clue. Neither do I!
 
The fact when you have runaway capitalism, you have the situation where the rich have their own set of rules.

In fact, as you know, there are two systems of healthcare in Great Britain and Canada. The working class has their plan called NICE...I think. Anyway, that pays for all the lower and middle-class citizens. Then there is a private health care system paid or privately.
 
Not in addition
Prices fixed by the government is not a Capitalistic economy. I'd have thought you knew that by now.

Here's the minimum cost again and you know how governments first estimate work out!

which is about what we are spending now on health care... So I'm not seeing the problem.

MORE! In addition too.

Not in addition to, VA, Tricare or life and medicaid people would just transfer to the Medicare for all. It's damn near a wash. You are the one who does not do your research.
 
Prices fixed by the government is not a Capitalistic economy. I'd have thought you knew that by now.

Here's the minimum cost again and you know how governments first estimate work out!

which is about what we are spending now on health care... So I'm not seeing the problem.

Please show me your source saying that spending for ObamaCare for all would not change the cost we currently pay.

Come one, catch up.

This a copy and paste from the article.

Washington (AP) -- "Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center."

Please read the first line, very carefully after the words "Sen. Bernie Sanders' Medicare for all plan would boost the government health...."
 
higher paid labor pays more in taxes and create more in demand.
so?? those unemployed by the minimum wage pay no taxes and require welfare. You're still making kindergarten arguments 5 years later
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, still solves that simple economic engineering problem, five years later.
and when you are beaten you talk gibberish to cover it up. pathetic.
in right wing fantasy, you can always win.
 
you need a link to show Europe pays 30-40% of what we do for health care???

As you know, where it is offered, the taxes in that country for income taxes alone and they all have astronomical VAT taxes which is almost everything you buy. The Vat Tax will run 20-25 percent of whatever it is you buy. You get a tax free allowance for groceries, medicine and such.

During your life, Americans move more than eleven times in their lifetime. Far more than any other country who simply cannot afford to move that many times.

As you know too, health care in both Great Britain and Canada is far inferior to our own with months-long waiting lists for Specialists and many GP's.

Why do you want such a failed system? It's like buying in last on a Ponzi Scheme.

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under Capitalism, the Rich can afford to insure promptness not the Poor.

Simply having social services pickup the capital slack, skews our perspective.
 

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