Medicare For All Fastest way to capitalism?

[danielpalos]

The right wing prefers an underclass for their, Metropolis.

 

[Markle]

you need a link to show Europe pays 30-40% of what we do for health care???

As you know, where it is offered, the taxes in that country for income taxes alone and they all have astronomical VAT taxes which is almost everything you buy. The Vat Tax will run 20-25 percent of whatever it is you buy. You get a tax free allowance for groceries, medicine and such.

During your life, Americans move more than eleven times in their lifetime. Far more than any other country who simply cannot afford to move that many times.

As you know too, health care in both Great Britain and Canada is far inferior to our own with months-long waiting lists for Specialists and many GP's.

Why do you want such a failed system? It's like buying in last on a Ponzi Scheme.

under Capitalism, the Rich can afford to insure promptness not the Poor.

Simply having social services pickup the capital slack, skews our perspective.

You're right, in Canada, the rich can afford to go to private physicians and pay cash or travel to the US and get prompt medical care and pay cash.

 

[JoeB131]

In fact, as you know, there are two systems of healthcare in Great Britain and Canada. The working class has their plan called NICE...I think. Anyway, that pays for all the lower and middle-class citizens. Then there is a private health care system paid or privately.

Yes, being an entitled rich douchebag is a universal constant... I have no problem with the rich buying their own plans, as long as they are paying their fair share and everyone else is covered.

See how that works?

Please show me your source saying that spending for ObamaCare for all would not change the cost we currently pay.

Come one, catch up.

This a copy and paste from the article.

Washington (AP) -- "Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center."

Please read the first line, very carefully after the words "Sen. Bernie Sanders' Medicare for all plan would boost the government health...."

Which, again, is what we spend now... It's just now that money goes through private insurance to pay for things like 9-figure executive salaries and shareholder payouts instead of paying doctor's and nurses..

Are you some kind of a retard? Everyone else in the world has single payer, and they have much better results.

 

[Markle]

In fact, as you know, there are two systems of healthcare in Great Britain and Canada. The working class has their plan called NICE...I think. Anyway, that pays for all the lower and middle-class citizens. Then there is a private health care system paid or privately.

Yes, being an entitled rich douchebag is a universal constant... I have no problem with the rich buying their own plans, as long as they are paying their fair share and everyone else is covered.

See how that works?

Please show me your source saying that spending for ObamaCare for all would not change the cost we currently pay.

Come one, catch up.

This a copy and paste from the article.

Washington (AP) -- "Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center."

Please read the first line, very carefully after the words "Sen. Bernie Sanders' Medicare for all plan would boost the government health...."

Which, again, is what we spend now... It's just now that money goes through private insurance to pay for things like 9-figure executive salaries and shareholder payouts instead of paying doctor's and nurses..

Are you some kind of a retard? Everyone else in the world has single payer, and they have much better results.

Great, then you're happy with the current system. Everyone has basic health care and those who wish, buy additional coverage.

What part of BOOST is not clear to you? Even whack job AOC knows her goals would cost an additional $40 TRILLION over 10 years. She has no clue as to how to raise that amount of money.

You are grossly misinformed about our health care. We have the finest in the world and most available.

Educating yourself about the topic would go a long way toward helping you form your arguments. Try it, you'll like it!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Are you some kind of a retard? Everyone else in the world has single payer, and they have much better results.

let's be honest . They have single payer and so do we with Medicare, Medicaid, VA, IHS, schip, community clinics, etc. They are poorer and more stream lined so delivery about the same care for 1/3 to 1/2 the price. We need to consolidate our single payer systems into one system and switch it to capitalism with published prices and increasing co pays

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

plenty of horror stories in America too. You did not say why you defend our system when it has next to no capitalism???

What percentage of hospitals in the US are non-profit?

66% And???????????????????

 

[Markle]

plenty of horror stories in America too. You did not say why you defend our system when it has next to no capitalism???

What percentage of hospitals in the US are non-profit?

66% And???????????????????

Obviously, if they are non-profit, they're not soaking patients for their bottom line. It's about 82 percent.

According to the AHA, about 18 percent of U.S. hospitals are private, for-profit hospitals, while 23 percent are owned by state and local governments. The rest are private, nonprofit facilities. This means they’re exempt from federal income tax—and often other taxes as well. It also means tax-exempt bonds may be issued on their behalf.

Did You Know: For-Profit Versus Nonprofit Hospitals

 

[debbiedowner]

plenty of horror stories in America too. You did not say why you defend our system when it has next to no capitalism???

What percentage of hospitals in the US are non-profit?

66% And???????????????????

Obviously, if they are non-profit, they're not soaking patients for their bottom line. It's about 82 percent.

According to the AHA, about 18 percent of U.S. hospitals are private, for-profit hospitals, while 23 percent are owned by state and local governments. The rest are private, nonprofit facilities. This means they’re exempt from federal income tax—and often other taxes as well. It also means tax-exempt bonds may be issued on their behalf.

Did You Know: For-Profit Versus Nonprofit Hospitals

Show me any hospital profit or non profit not soaking their patients for their bottom line.

 

[debbiedowner]

Are you some kind of a retard? Everyone else in the world has single payer, and they have much better results.

let's be honest . They have single payer and so do we with Medicare, Medicaid, VA, IHS, schip, community clinics, etc. They are poorer and more stream lined so delivery about the same care for 1/3 to 1/2 the price. We need to consolidate our single payer systems into one system and switch it to capitalism with published prices and increasing co pays

You combine them all into Medicare for all you actually save some money.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You combine them all into Medicare for all you actually save some money.

yes, we could eliminate all the other huge liberal bureaucracies. What a waste of money! But, it would have to be down with a firm commitment to then switch it to capitalism with published prices and rising copays

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obviously, if they are non-profit, they're not soaking patients for their bottom line. It's about 82 percent.

so then why do they charge 3 to 4 times more than Canada Europe Japan etc??

 

[Markle]

You combine them all into Medicare for all you actually save some money.

Combine "all" what to actually save some money and how?

 

[boedicca]

Medicare for all will just hasten the collapse of our system of government and civil society. It's not going to be pretty when what's left of our civil order collapses.

 

[Markle]

Obviously, if they are non-profit, they're not soaking patients for their bottom line. It's about 82 percent.

so then why do they charge 3 to 4 times more than Canada Europe Japan etc??

Much is due to three things. One, they are required to provide care for anyone who comes to their door. Meaning that everyone else pays for those who do not pay.

Two, neither of those two countries have the flawed legal system we have in this country.

Three, both those countries have tax rates far and away higher than we have in the US. Americans will never tolerate such draconian, punishing tax rate. We just will not.

 

[Markle]

Medicare for all will just hasten the collapse of our system of government and civil society. It's not going to be pretty when what's left of our civil order collapses.

You're right, Progressives are following, to the letter, the Cloward-Piven Strategy!

 

[debbiedowner]

You combine them all into Medicare for all you actually save some money.

Combine "all" what to actually save some money and how?

Medicare, Medicaid, VA, IHS, schip, community clinics, etc.

 

[Markle]

Medicare, Medicaid, VA, IHS, schip, community clinics, etc.

Does the state no longer fund their part of the programs? Where does all that money come from for the state? Where is the cutoff point for "community clinics"? Who pays for all the patients who are unable to pay at all the hospitals?

 

[danielpalos]

Medicare for all will just hasten the collapse of our system of government and civil society. It's not going to be pretty when what's left of our civil order collapses.

You're right, Progressives are following, to the letter, the Cloward-Piven Strategy!

There is no Chaos authorized in our Constitution, only Order.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Combine "all" what to actually save some money and how?

madicare, medicaid VA Schip, community clinics. Do you understand?

 

[Markle]

Combine "all" what to actually save some money and how?

madicare, medicaid VA Schip, community clinics. Do you understand?

How, and who pays?

Right now, Medicare and VA are federally funded programs. Medicaid and CHIP are programs with shared funding between federal and the various states. Community clinics are funded by the...ta da...community with help from the state.

What about all the people treated at hospitals who are unable to pay?