Media blackout of Gosnell's trial...the msm is okay with killing babies, it seems.

[JoeB131]

If you go to a clinic when you're 7-9 months along, you are seeking infanticide.

And that's what he gave them. The babies were born alive, and he killed them.

First, no one has really proven that he was terminating fetuses that old.

All they really have are eyewitness testimony.

Second- sorry, it isn't an infant until it's gone full term.

this little one was not carried to full term.would you be ok with killing it??

Well, no, once it emerges from the body, it's full term. It got all the "Term" it was going to get.

Now, before we get too far into the anti-Choice Batshit crazy weeds here, let's look at some realities.

Only 1% of abortions are performed after the 21st week. Much as the pro-choice crowd is dishonest when it talks about "rape" abortion, the pro-life crowd is dishonest when it talks about these procedures. These are the extreme cases.

Furthermore, when an abortion is performed late, there's usually a damned good reason. Like the fetus is horribly deformed.

If you clowns were serious about reducing the number of abortions, you'd support universal health care, paid family leave, strong job protections for pregnant women.

 

[koshergrl]

Oh yay, using fake numbers again. You never get tired of that, do you?

 

[JoeB131]

Oh yay, using fake numbers again. You never get tired of that, do you?

Actually, those numbers are documented by the CDC, Pro-Life and Pro-Choice groups.

But that would require you to research facts.

 

[koshergrl]

You have yet to produce a fact.

CDC/PP share staff and admin..and are hampered in their stat collection by the fact that PP doesn't provide real numbers (and in may states, including the ones that have the highest number of abortions, they don't provide any numbers at all).

 

[koshergrl]

but you already know that, perv.

 

[Jroc]

First, no one has really proven that he was terminating fetuses that old.

All they really have are eyewitness testimony.

Second- sorry, it isn't an infant until it's gone full term.

this little one was not carried to full term.would you be ok with killing it??

Well, no, once it emerges from the body, it's full term. It got all the "Term" it was going to get.

Now, before we get too far into the anti-Choice Batshit crazy weeds here, let's look at some realities.

Only 1% of abortions are performed after the 21st week. Much as the pro-choice crowd is dishonest when it talks about "rape" abortion, the pro-life crowd is dishonest when it talks about these procedures. These are the extreme cases.

Furthermore, when an abortion is performed late, there's usually a damned good reason. Like the fetus is horribly deformed.

If you clowns were serious about reducing the number of abortions, you'd support universal health care, paid family leave, strong job protections for pregnant women.

You don't care how far along the baby is, you said yourself. To loons like you, a baby can be killed at any stage pregnancy and there is no shortage of care available to pregnant women in this country

 

[JoeB131]

this little one was not carried to full term.would you be ok with killing it??

Well, no, once it emerges from the body, it's full term. It got all the "Term" it was going to get.

Now, before we get too far into the anti-Choice Batshit crazy weeds here, let's look at some realities.

Only 1% of abortions are performed after the 21st week. Much as the pro-choice crowd is dishonest when it talks about "rape" abortion, the pro-life crowd is dishonest when it talks about these procedures. These are the extreme cases.

Furthermore, when an abortion is performed late, there's usually a damned good reason. Like the fetus is horribly deformed.

If you clowns were serious about reducing the number of abortions, you'd support universal health care, paid family leave, strong job protections for pregnant women.

You don't care how far along the baby is, you said yourself. To loons like you, a baby can be killed at any stage pregnancy and there is no shortage of care available to pregnant women in this country

Except that one out of six Americans had no health insurance, (Republican Governors are still trying to keep them off Medicaid) and we have the highest infant mortality rate in the Industrialized world.

Nope, I don't care how far a long the baby is. It isn't any of my fucking business, and it isn't any or yours. The ONLY two people who should be making that decision are the woman and her doctor.

Gosnell should go to prison because he killed his adult patient. Not because he provided a service they went in there to get.

 

[Jroc]

Well, no, once it emerges from the body, it's full term. It got all the "Term" it was going to get.

Now, before we get too far into the anti-Choice Batshit crazy weeds here, let's look at some realities.

Only 1% of abortions are performed after the 21st week. Much as the pro-choice crowd is dishonest when it talks about "rape" abortion, the pro-life crowd is dishonest when it talks about these procedures. These are the extreme cases.

Furthermore, when an abortion is performed late, there's usually a damned good reason. Like the fetus is horribly deformed.

If you clowns were serious about reducing the number of abortions, you'd support universal health care, paid family leave, strong job protections for pregnant women.

You don't care how far along the baby is, you said yourself. To loons like you, a baby can be killed at any stage pregnancy and there is no shortage of care available to pregnant women in this country

Except that one out of six Americans had no health insurance, (Republican Governors are still trying to keep them off Medicaid) and we have the highest infant mortality rate in the Industrialized world.

Nope, I don't care how far a long the baby is. It isn't any of my fucking business, and it isn't any or yours. The ONLY two people who should be making that decision are the woman and her doctor.

Gosnell should go to prison because he killed his adult patient. Not because he provided a service they went in there to get.

You and your stupid talking points, we calculate infant mortality differently here, and a pregnant women can certainly find plenty of help here from religious and prolife groups

First, it's shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country.

Infant mortality in developed countries is not about healthy babies dying of treatable conditions as in the past. Most of the infants we lose today are born critically ill, and 40 percent die within the first day of life. The major causes are low birth weight and prematurity, and congenital malformations. As Nicholas Eberstadt, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, points out, Norway, which has one of the lowest infant mortality rates, shows no better infant survival than the United States when you factor in weight at birth.

Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

 

[JoeB131]

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You and your stupid talking points, we calculate infant mortality differently here, and a pregnant women can certainly find plenty of help here from religious and prolife groups

First, it's shaky ground to ....

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Yawn, the TIRESOME Right WIng talking point, that the WHOLE WORLD is conspiring to make our infant mortality rate the envy of third world countries. (A few of which have lower ones than we do.)

Fact is, when one out of six can't see a doctor, too many problems are missed.

But it's okay, they're poor and not fetuses and it was "God's Will" or some such shit.

 

[koshergrl]

Whoops, I used the term "killing babies" in the thread title, and summoned...guess who? joe....

Whose porn stores must be running low, forcing him to seek new material.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Gosnell's trial is to abortion what Sandy Hook is to gun ownership.
Both are emotional cases with horrific details that cry out for public policy debates. And in each case, the debate pits public safety against something widely considered a constitutional right.
The two cases are different in that Sandy Hook received wall-to-wall coverage and thus facilitated a national conversation about mental health and gun control -- a debate whose outcome is yet to be determined.
Not so with the Gosnell trial, which has been completely blacked out by the media."

Guns and babies: A tale of two massacres | WashingtonExaminer.com

Unsurprisingly, the OP is a liar, as CNN is covering the trial, as are other media outlets.

The OP has also committed a hasty generalization fallacy, as the actions of one are not representative of the whole, consequently the premise of the OP fails.

 

[JoeB131]

Whoops, I used the term "killing babies" in the thread title, and summoned...guess who? joe....

Whose porn stores must be running low, forcing him to seek new material.

Porn is boring.

Bitch-slapping religous whacks, that never gets old.

When you religous whacks start giving a shit about poor kids, then I will take your concern about fetuses seriously.

 

[Jroc]

Whoops, I used the term "killing babies" in the thread title, and summoned...guess who? joe....

Whose porn stores must be running low, forcing him to seek new material.

Porn is boring.

Bitch-slapping religous whacks, that never gets old.

When you religous whacks start giving a shit about poor kids, then I will take your concern about fetuses seriously.

Please religious people and religious organizations as a whole do more to help the poor than your precious liberal Bureaucracy which siphons off other people’s money to feed that bureaucracy... You're a joke

 

[JoeB131]

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Please religious people and religious organizations as a whole do more to help the poor than your precious liberal Bureaucracy which siphons off other people’s money to feed that bureaucracy... You're a joke

Making people beg for help while you build big cathedrals and temples doesn't impress me.

Religion has never done a good thing once, not even by accident.

 

[EriktheRed]

The claim is that political pressure protected this bad abortion provider. You know what that reminds me of? Virtually every government interaction with a bad gun dealer anywhere in America in recent decades. Powers and Friedersdorf ask why the story of this clinic isn't national front-page news. I'd ask: Why aren't the stories of bad gun dealers front-page news?

No one in the pro-choice community would defend Kermit Gosnell. I don't know any pro-choicer who'd disagree with this 2011 column by Katha Pollitt, which enumerates many of the horrors of Gosnell's clinic and defends abortion rights.

By contrast, the gun community does everything in its power to enable bad gun dealers to keep dealing guns. Hey, Kirsten and Conor, that could be a front-page story in America every day.

IS KERMIT GOSNELL THE CHUCK'S GUN SHOP OF MEDICINE?

 

[koshergrl]

"Gosnell's trial is to abortion what Sandy Hook is to gun ownership.
Both are emotional cases with horrific details that cry out for public policy debates. And in each case, the debate pits public safety against something widely considered a constitutional right.
The two cases are different in that Sandy Hook received wall-to-wall coverage and thus facilitated a national conversation about mental health and gun control -- a debate whose outcome is yet to be determined.
Not so with the Gosnell trial, which has been completely blacked out by the media."

Guns and babies: A tale of two massacres | WashingtonExaminer.com

Unsurprisingly, the OP is a liar, as CNN is covering the trial, as are other media outlets.

The OP has also committed a hasty generalization fallacy, as the actions of one are not representative of the whole, consequently the premise of the OP fails.

Quit trolling. You can say that 1500 times and it still won't be true, loon.

 

[koshergrl]

I find it mildly freaky that the loons who use every child's death to illuminate the need for strict gun control are also claiming that gosnell killing babies also highlights the need for stricter gun control.

You let no dead baby go to waste, loons.

 

[JoeB131]

I find it mildly freaky that the loons who use every child's death to illuminate the need for strict gun control are also claiming that gosnell killing babies also highlights the need for stricter gun control.

You let no dead baby go to waste, loons.

No, Gosnell killing late fetuses show why we need better medical care, better sex education, and better infrastructure for the poor... all things that Christian Rube-publicans oppose, because it's them poor people and their welfare!

 

[Jroc]

I find it mildly freaky that the loons who use every child's death to illuminate the need for strict gun control are also claiming that gosnell killing babies also highlights the need for stricter gun control.

You let no dead baby go to waste, loons.

No, Gosnell killing late fetuses show why we need better medical care, better sex education, and better infrastructure for the poor... all things that Christian Rube-publicans oppose, because it's them poor people and their welfare!

We’ve made progress. You described abortion as killing...The killing of a human being It's a multi-step process. As science progresses people grow more against abortion. This means we get the government out of the abortion business and slowly decrease the number of abortions. That’s a good thing.

 

[JoeB131]

I find it mildly freaky that the loons who use every child's death to illuminate the need for strict gun control are also claiming that gosnell killing babies also highlights the need for stricter gun control.

You let no dead baby go to waste, loons.

No, Gosnell killing late fetuses show why we need better medical care, better sex education, and better infrastructure for the poor... all things that Christian Rube-publicans oppose, because it's them poor people and their welfare!

We’ve made progress. You described abortion as killing...The killing of a human being It's a multi-step process. As science progresses people grow more against abortion. This means we get the government out of the abortion business and slowly decrease the number of abortions. That’s a good thing.

NO, we need to get government INTO the abortion business so clowns like Gosnell aren't.

That's the point here.

The ADVANCED Countries support abortion. Backwards countries oppose it.

More people accept abortion on demand, as they should. You can drag out all the pretend horror stories you want, but most people will still tell you to keep your hands off their bodies.