Media alleges turks have reason to invade syria

[shock]

MEDIA ALLEGES TURKS HAVE REASON TO INVADE SYRIA
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The plot thickens

for while the US maintains pressure on Iran,

Turkey has mobilized troops, tanks and artillery along Syria's northern border.

Now, as it appears likely Syria will succeed in crushing Western recruited thugs attempting to occupy parts of Aleppo and Damascus,

the Western media is trumpeting charges that Assad has turned parts of northern Syria over to Kurd militants,

thus providing a propaganda cover for an invasion of north Syria by Turkey upon the happening of some triggering event staged or provoked by the GCO, Israel and the West.

 

[Charles_Main]

MEDIA ALLEGES TURKS HAVE REASON TO INVADE SYRIA
=====================================

The plot thickens

for while the US maintains pressure on Iran,

Turkey has mobilized troops, tanks and artillery along Syria's northern border.

Now, as it appears likely Syria will succeed in crushing Western recruited thugs attempting to occupy parts of Aleppo and Damascus,

the Western media is trumpeting charges that Assad has turned parts of northern Syria over to Kurd militants,

thus providing a propaganda cover for an invasion of north Syria by Turkey upon the happening of some triggering event staged or provoked by the GCO, Israel and the West.

Lets see. Syria Shot down one of their Planes, Syria is embroiled in a Civil war that is pushing Refugees into It's Neighbors Including Turkey. I would say they have an Interest.

But why Am I talking to you, You comments make it clear you believe beyond a Doubt it's all a conspiracy, and are not looking for a Real Debate.

 

[shock]

Dear charles

Although I thank you kindly for your response,
I am not seeking a debate
but would like to discuss what is known to be happening.

 

[waltky]

If Iran can interfere, then the least we can do is provide air support for Syrian rebels...

Iran's intervention in Syria must be stopped
8/12/2012 - Syria has become a battleground between the Shi’ite and Sunni communities.

As the situation in Syria continues to deteriorate, with the collapse of the Assad regime becoming increasingly more imminent, further direct intervention by Iran in the Syrian conflict in an effort to save the regime should not be ruled out. For Iran, the Assad regime represents the linchpin of their regional hegemonic ambitions, and as such preserving the regime is central to safeguarding Tehran’s axis of influence, which encompasses Syria, Iraq and Lebanon.

Direct Iranian involvement in Syria, while a given, further aggravates the already volatile situation in the Middle East. The question is: when will the Western powers led by the US, the Arab states, Turkey and Israel take the necessary and credible steps to force Tehran to stop meddling in Syria’s internal affairs and prevent it from playing a direct role in an effort to quell the Syrian uprising? Having already sent military advisers along with members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards disguised as pilgrims, and pledging firm support for the Syrian government, it is hard to imagine that Tehran will stay idle in the face of Assad’s imminent demise.

Should Iran decide to further deepen its involvement in Syria, its decision would be based on long-term considerations rather than the prospect of achieving any immediate advantage. Indeed, from the Iranian perspective, regardless of how the crisis in Syria may unfold, Tehran is determined to maintain its influence, as the loss of Syria would represent a colossal defeat and severely weaken Iran’s hold on the “Shi’ite Crescent” that extends from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean. Whereas until recently Iran tried to obscure its involvement in Syria, in the past few days Iranian lawmakers called on their government to tell the Iranian public why Syria under Assad is of strategic importance. Ahmad Reza Dastgheib, Deputy Head of Iran’s Majlis Committee of National Security and Foreign Policy, said: “We should make all our efforts to prevent the Syrian government from falling.”

In a further indication of Iran’s concerns over the future of the Assad regime, it has dispatched high-level officials including Saeed Jalili, the head of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, to assure Assad that Iran will not allow its close partnership with the Syrian leadership to be shaken by the uprising or external foes. Tehran is not convinced, as of yet, that the Western powers (led by the United States) will in fact challenge Iran directly should Iran decide to play a more direct and active role to save both the Assad regime and its larger regional interests. Iran knows that the Western powers and Israel, along with Turkey and the Arab states, would like to pull Syria outside of Iran’s orbit. To persuade Iran that its continuing involvement in Syria is short-lived, the US, the Arab League (AL), the EU and Turkey must work in concert and adopt coercive measures to demonstrate to the Iranian mullahs that this is a no-win situation and that their continued involvement could be disastrous for the regime.

More Iran

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The Next Proxy War
AUGUST 10, 2012 : How the United States can use the Syrian civil war to prepare the region -- for Iran.

In a recent op-ed in the Washington Post, Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Joseph Lieberman argued for stepped-up U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war. They called for providing Syria's rebels with weapons, training, and intelligence. They also called on the United States to support the establishment of safe zones inside Syria, to be protected by U.S. air power and other capabilities (but not American ground troops). Failure to take these steps, they argued, would prolong Syria's bloody civil war, boost the role of Islamic radicals such as al Qaeda, increase the chance that Syria's chemical weapons will end up in dangerous hands, and cause the U.S. to be shut out of the country after the Assad regime falls.

A key step in formulating effective strategy is confining oneself to realistic and obtainable goals. Significantly shortening Syria's war, determining which factions come out on top, and seizing control of Syria's most threatening weapons in the midst of chaotic combat are goals very likely beyond the grasp of U.S. policymakers, at least at reasonable cost. The senators' rationale for U.S. intervention implies an ability to influence events in Syria beyond what seems feasible. Should U.S. intervention fail to rapidly end the war or quickly seize Syria's chemical weapons, the United States would risk finding itself climbing a ladder of escalation, with increasing use of air power and even ground troops in an effort to achieve the campaign's goals. Once committed in a large and visible way, U.S. prestige would be at risk, forcing policymakers to continue adding resources in the hope of achieving overly ambitious objectives.

However, that does not mean that the United States should avoid the conflict. In fact, there are important and achievable objectives in Syria, obtainable with little risk and for a modest price. Rather than attempting to influence the course of Syria's civil war, something largely beyond Washington's control, U.S. policymakers should instead focus on strengthening America's diplomatic position and on building irregular warfare capabilities that will be crucial in future conflicts in the region. Modest and carefully circumscribed intervention in Syria, in coordination with America's Sunni allies who are already players in the war, will bolster critical relationships and irregular warfare capabilities the United States and its allies will need for the future.

The conflict in Syria is just one front in the ongoing competition between Iran and America's Sunni allies on the west side of the Persian Gulf. That competition has played out in the past with proxy warfare in Lebanon and Yemen, and Iraq may become the next surrogate battlefield. Should Iran become a nuclear weapons state, the competition will almost certainly intensify. Regardless of the outcome in Syria, U.S. allies around the Persian Gulf must brace for deepening security competition with Iran.

More http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/10/advice_to_the_us_on_syria

 

[waltky]

Russkies draggin' their feet - as usual...

Russians 'stubbornly dug in' on Syria, U.S. official says
August 17th, 2012 - Wringing its hands over the escalating violence in Syria, Russia on Thursday said the international community should set a deadline for the Syrian government and opposition fighters to stop fighting.

Moscow's envoy to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, said countries that have failed to bring the killing to an end should make "a joint or parallel appeal to all the parties of the Syrian conflict that they end violence as soon as possible by a certain point in time." In spite of the fact that almost 200 Syrians now are dying every day in the civil war, the Russian diplomat insisted a political solution is still possible and said other countries should urge the government of President Bashar al-Assad and the opposition to appoint negotiators who could establish a transitional governing body for Syria. If that sounds familiar, it should; the proposal is part of a six-point plan put forward by former U.N. special envoy on Syria, Kofi Annan, who quit this month after failing to stop the bloodshed.

Moscow and Beijing have vetoed three U.N. Security Council resolutions criticizing the regime and threatening sanctions, and the Council is at an impasse. With its monitors in Syria under fire and unable to move about the country to document the violence, the Security Council decided Thursday to end their dangerous mission. The Russian envoy, however, blamed Security Council members who called for the observers to pull out. "We believe that those members of the Council who insisted that UNSMIS can't continue," he told reporters, "did not really show commitment to ending hostilities and to working toward a political settlement in Syria."

But, in Washington, State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, said the monitors' mission now makes no sense. "We don't think that they're able to do the job that they were sent there to do," Nuland said, "which was to monitor a cease-fire which we don't have and to be able to move freely around the country, which they haven't been able to do." Russia is calling for a meeting at the United Nations in New York on Friday to discuss all of this, but Nuland threw cold water on that idea too, telling reporters at her daily briefing: "Frankly, we're not sure we understand the objective and the goal of the meeting." "As we've said all along, to have meetings for meetings' sake is not what any of us needs to do. What we need to do is have meetings that support the Syrian people and support an end to the bloodshed."

Privately, a U.S. official told CNN the Russians are "stubbornly dug in" on Syria. Other U.S. and European officials say Moscow appears convinced that if al-Assad falls, the country could spiral into even more chaos. If that happens they say, Russian President Vladimir Putin appears ready to blame the West, and particularly the United States, for it. One European official adds that a possible motivation for Moscow's contrarian approach may be an attempt to prove to the world that Russia still wields diplomatic power and influence. But this official says it's not working. "Their computer isn't updated," the official says, "and they are jeopardizing their position in the Middle East."

Under-Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, meanwhile, was in Moscow Thursday for what the State Department described as "very serious" discussions on both Syria and Iran. But, other than calling the talks "direct and fulsome," the Department noted no progress. One Russian opposition member told CNN that Moscow's approach on Syria seems to be "do the opposite of what the United States wants." "If the U.S. wants the Kremlin to do something good on Syria," Vladimir V. Kara-Murza, member of the federal council of the Republican Party of Russia, jests, "maybe Washington should do something bad."

Russians 'stubbornly dug in' on Syria, U.S. official says – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

 

[waltky]

But nobody wants to go in and put a stop to Assad's crap...

Syria comes under scathing international criticism
Sep 5, `12 -- Syria came under scathing international criticism Wednesday, with Turkey calling the country a terrorist state and Egypt's leader calling on President Bashar Assad to "learn from recent history" and step down.

Alluding to the fate of the authoritarian regimes in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Yemen, which were overthrown by Arab Spring uprisings, Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi warned his Syrian counterpart that "it's too late to talk about reform, this is the time for change." Morsi's strong comments to Arab foreign ministers in Cairo followed an address last month during a summit meeting of the so-called nonaligned movement in the Iranian capital, Tehran, where the Egyptian leader gave a hearty call for world support of Syria's rebels. Iran is Assad's strongest foreign backer.

Also Wednesday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan slammed Assad's government. "The regime has become one of state terrorism," he said. "Syria is going through a huge humanitarian saga. Unfortunately, as usual, the international community is merely watching the slaughter, massacre and the elimination of Muslims." Turkey has become one of the strongest critics of Assad's regime and is host to Syrian opposition groups as well as some 80,000 refugees. The regime's crackdown has led to worldwide condemnation and sanctions, weakened the economy and left Assad an international pariah just as he was trying to open up his country and modernize the economy. His few remaining allies include Iran, Russia and China.

Despite the condemnation, Syria appears poised for an increasingly drawn-out conflict. Neither the regime nor the rebels has gained a significant advantage in the crisis, which began nearly 18 months ago with largely peaceful protests but has since morphed into a civil war that activists say has killed at least 23,000 people. As the conflict has grown increasingly militarized, it has also grown more deadly. On Wednesday, Syrian rebels said they shot down a government MiG jet and a helicopter. A video posted online by the opposition showed the wreckage of a jet and the body of a pilot. The AP could not independently confirm the rebel claims or the video.

The commander of the rebel Free Syrian Army, breakaway air force colonel Riad al-Asaad, told the AP in a telephone interview from Turkey that rebels downed the aircraft in Abu al-Dhuhour, an area in the northwestern province of Idlib, five days ago. The narrator of the online video, however, said the MiG was downed Tuesday. The discrepancy could not be immediately reconciled. Al-Asaad said the rebels used anti-aircraft missiles the FSA captured from Syrian army bases. Rebels have claimed before that they have shot down government planes. The regime has acknowledged crashes in the past, but blamed them on mechanical failures.

Source

 

[GoneBezerk]

It's good an islamic country wants to help stop the mess in Syria....what a concept.

 

[waltky]

Assad's forces killin' women an' children...

Report: Syria bombing women, children
Sept. 19,`12 (UPI) -- Women and children were killed and injured by indiscriminate bombing carried out by Syrian forces in Damascus neighborhoods Wednesday, human rights groups said.

Rebel forces said they had chased government troops from a northern border crossing into Turkey after two days of fighting, The New York Times reported. The rebels overran the post at Tal Abyad, south of the Turkish town of Sanliurfa, early Wednesday in Raqqa Province, CNN reported. Rebel forces took the Tal Abyad border gate, tearing down the Syrian flag, burning pictures of Syrian President Bashar Assad and firing guns in the air. Turkish forces on the other side of the crossing joined in the celebration, the report said.

Thousands of Syrian civilians have sought refuge from the conflict in neighboring Turkey, where the government is sympathetic to the rebel effort to oust Assad. In Damascus, activists said residents of the southern suburb of Hajar al-Aswad were desperate as government forces closed in under cover of airstrikes and heavy artillery, the BBC reported. Thirty people were killed in the capital Wednesday, including three civilians who died when government forces bombed a bakery, CNN said.

Amnesty International said civilian casualties had risen dramatically from indiscriminate air and artillery strikes in the cities of Idlib and Hama. Rebel forces say the death toll has exceeded 26,000 since the conflict began last March. "They are using in equal measure air-delivered, large, old, Soviet-era unguided bombs -- free-fall bombs -- the opposite of smart bombs," said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International senior crisis response adviser. "They are dropped over an area. There's no way you can target them at a specific target or specific building." Assad has discussed the possibility of using chemical weapons, and even of transferring them to Hezbollah, said a Syrian general who has defected to the opposition.

The Syrian Network for Human Rights said it had documented the deaths of 148 people Wednesday, including 13 women, 10 children and one under torture. The government put the total for the day at 60 "terrorists" killed, a state-run TV station reported. More than a third of the deaths, 56, occurred in Damascus and the surrounding area, SNHR said. Another 34 died in Aleppo, where activists said government forces bombarded central areas surrounding the Old City. Sixteen were reported killed in Idlib and Dier Alzoor. Assad huddled with Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi. Iranian television said the meeting was set to "exchange views with different Syrian groups to find a way out of the crisis which would be acceptable for all parties," CNN reported.

Read more: World News - UPI.com