Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

[Borillar]

Communist:friend: That wasn't REAL Communism, try again!

Communism doesn't kill people. People kill people.

 

[Blackrook]

read the words, "and followers of the ideology have killed tens of millions".


So, what's more important to you? Oceans of murdered people? Or arguing semantics?

What's important is The Truth. PERIOD.

"Followers of the ideology X did Q, therefore X leads to Q".. My ass. This is the old "marijuana leads to heroin" bullshit.

Hitler liked dogs too. Therefore anyone who likes dogs is a Nazi. MY ASS.

I agree.


The Oceans of Murdered People is the Truth about Communism.


Semantic games do not change nor hide, nor soften that.

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

A voluntary community of religious people sharing goods and work is not Communism.

Communism includes people who don't want to participate in Communism, and that requires murder, torture, and a police state.

 

[HappyJoy]

What's important is The Truth. PERIOD.

"Followers of the ideology X did Q, therefore X leads to Q".. My ass. This is the old "marijuana leads to heroin" bullshit.

Hitler liked dogs too. Therefore anyone who likes dogs is a Nazi. MY ASS.

I agree.


The Oceans of Murdered People is the Truth about Communism.


Semantic games do not change nor hide, nor soften that.

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

A voluntary community of religious people sharing goods and work is not Communism.

Communism includes people who don't want to participate in Communism, and that requires murder, torture, and a police state.

That's not the definition of communism, that's the definition of totalitarian governments where some of those countries aspired to be communist.

 

[Pogo]

What's important is The Truth. PERIOD.

"Followers of the ideology X did Q, therefore X leads to Q".. My ass. This is the old "marijuana leads to heroin" bullshit.

Hitler liked dogs too. Therefore anyone who likes dogs is a Nazi. MY ASS.

I agree.


The Oceans of Murdered People is the Truth about Communism.


Semantic games do not change nor hide, nor soften that.

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

A voluntary community of religious people sharing goods and work is not Communism.

Communism includes people who don't want to participate in Communism, and that requires murder, torture, and a police state.

Bull
Shit.
Once AGAIN go back to my first post here. And read it this time.
Again ---- what's the point of "discussing" a term if you're going to ignore its definition?

HappyJoy just set you straight too. Your juvenile fantasy describes authoritarianism, for example Nazi Germany, which was anything but 'communist'.

 

[Blackrook]

I agree.


The Oceans of Murdered People is the Truth about Communism.


Semantic games do not change nor hide, nor soften that.

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

A voluntary community of religious people sharing goods and work is not Communism.

Communism includes people who don't want to participate in Communism, and that requires murder, torture, and a police state.

That's not the definition of communism, that's the definition of totalitarian governments where some of those countries aspired to be communist.

AGAIN with the claim that Communist countries weren't REAL Communism.

NOW I know YOU ARE A COMMUNIST TOO.

 

[HappyJoy]

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

A voluntary community of religious people sharing goods and work is not Communism.

Communism includes people who don't want to participate in Communism, and that requires murder, torture, and a police state.

That's not the definition of communism, that's the definition of totalitarian governments where some of those countries aspired to be communist.

AGAIN with the claim that Communist countries weren't REAL Communism.

NOW I know YOU ARE A COMMUNIST TOO.

Say it with me, you've been told time and time again. Communism is an economic system, it is not democratic or un-democratic.

The USSR was not pure communist as the power and means of production were controlled by a few where as a true communist country the means of production are controlled by the worker.

 

[Pogo]

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

A voluntary community of religious people sharing goods and work is not Communism.

Communism includes people who don't want to participate in Communism, and that requires murder, torture, and a police state.

That's not the definition of communism, that's the definition of totalitarian governments where some of those countries aspired to be communist.

AGAIN with the claim that Communist countries weren't REAL Communism.

NOW I know YOU ARE A COMMUNIST TOO.

So you're basically here to whine and stomp your feet and yell "YOU'RE A BIG STOOPID" on a message board full of adults.

Have fun with that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The American democratic party 2017 IS the party of Stalin - no way to argue otherwise.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Stalin murdered 65 million peace time civilians - as you well know. You Stalinists have LOTS more of that in store for America, starting with the Christians.....


The democratic party, Stalin approved in every way.....

 

[HappyJoy]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Stalin murdered 65 million peace time civilians - as you well know. You Stalinists have LOTS more of that in store for America, starting with the Christians.....


The democratic party, Stalin approved in every way.....

I don't see any Stalinists here. I see a lot of people giving cover to a former Stalinist who now happens to be the President of Russia.

 

[AntonToo]

read the words, "and followers of the ideology have killed tens of millions"

Christians?

Look dummy just because someone is a commy or anarchist or white supremacist doesn't mean they support killing people.

This "killed millions!!!" rhetoric is crazy.

Stalin killed a lot of people because he was a ruthless autocrat in a long line of ruthless Russian autocrats going way back to Czars, not specifically because he was a communist.

Chinese are commies, cubans are commies though you don't see that there.

 

[Windparadox]

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"a total of 205,000,000 killed directly or indirectly because of capitalism." - Source

 

[Spare_change]

Communist:friend: That wasn't REAL Communism, try again!

You won't get me to defend the atrocities of the Communism of Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin or Mao.

So tell me about the atrocities of modern Communist Vietnam?

Tell me how many millions are dying in modern Communist China?

I am no fan of Communism- I think it is a failed economic theory- but it has also become a boogeyman for idiots on the Right.

Death rate in China = 252/10,000
Death rate in Viet Nam = 584/10,000
Death rate in US = 82/10,000

 

[AntonToo]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Blackrook always goes for drama over fact or substance.

Blackrook -- Since you put this in Politics instead of History, it would seem you believe Communism poses some sort of modern day threat. Please post modern day examples of why you believe communism is going to kill.

ANTIFA is a modern-day example of Communism in action. We shall see how far their "revolution" gets when they mobilize in November. It's good they've telegraphed their intentions. If it was legal to kill Communists, I would do it without hesitation. Because I know if the Communists ever take over, I'll be one of the first on their kill list.

Good lord, you need to go take a fucking chill pill before go start acting on your little killing phantasies.

Don't you worry, I'll keep the Red Manace at bay

 

[Correll]

read the words, "and followers of the ideology have killed tens of millions".


So, what's more important to you? Oceans of murdered people? Or arguing semantics?

What's important is The Truth. PERIOD.

"Followers of the ideology X did Q, therefore X leads to Q".. My ass. This is the old "marijuana leads to heroin" bullshit.

Hitler liked dogs too. Therefore anyone who likes dogs is a Nazi. MY ASS.

I agree.


The Oceans of Murdered People is the Truth about Communism.


Semantic games do not change nor hide, nor soften that.

Then stop fucking playing them.
That's exactly why I corrected the bullshit semantics in the OP in the first place.

To verify that we are on the same page,


we agree that Communism is a terrible idea that have led to the deaths of tens of millions and the oppression of billions and should never be considered as a viable solution for anything?

Nope. We agree on none of that. As in zero.

You can go back to my first post to see why that is.

Again, here's a photo of the only communism I know about directly ----

​

Notice everybody's working. That's typical. Whatever they produce is communally-owned. At the end of the day they'll all eat in a common dining hall and retire to their communal houses where nobody owns personal property beyond their own clothes. Everything is done as a collective.

And again, these people have literally never killed anybody. Never wore any country's uniform, never fought in anybody's war. Ever. In five hundred years.

What's the latter got to do with the former? NOTHING. Now do the math.

Again --- what's the point of discussing a term if you're going to just ignore its definition?

Got it. You're not convinced that communism is a bad idea.

Thank's for being honest.

 

[Correll]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Communism is a political ideology and followers of that ideology have killed, in the pursuit of it's goals, tens of millions of people.

Then what you're going for is this. I'm afraid that's a dead end.
Again, read the words --- :"communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

read the words, "and followers of the ideology have killed tens of millions".


So, what's more important to you? Oceans of murdered people? Or arguing semantics?

Communism has never existed. Communism is, theoretically, the classless Utopian society socialists aspire to see become a reality. That has never happened.

But if we are to speak of Communism as being deadlier than free market sysrems in terms of the body count left in the wake of
power mad leaders, we ought to consider the body counts of those who promulgated and executed the manifesr destiny and all the genocidal campaigns accompanying it. Let's add up the toll of bodies produced by the European rape of Africa and South America.
The victims of Western imperialism and its brother, capitalism, may not all have perished in the flash of a atomic bomb or died in a hail of bullets...noooo...the death tolls spawned by Capitalistic perogatives are more subtle...
Malnutrition, thirst.prstilence and hopelessness ...consume those populations
where dictators, propped up by U.S. agents, keep their people under control. Socialism
Is suppressed so the resources of the people can be more easily exploited by Western interests.

1. Your No True Scotsman Fallacy is noted, laughed at and dismissed.


2. Your attempt to equate Imperialism and Capitalism and Communism is noted.


2b. So I take it that you are also, not ready to give up on communism either?

 

[cnm]

Yawn...

More re-catapulted propaganda from a slurper fed from birth. Let's see the fatality numbers for capitalism.

 

[Correll]

read the words, "and followers of the ideology have killed tens of millions"

Christians?

Look dummy just because someone is a commy or anarchist or white supremacist doesn't mean they support killing people.

This "killed millions!!!" rhetoric is crazy.

Stalin killed a lot of people because he was a ruthless autocrat in a long line of ruthless Russian autocrats going way back to Czars, not specifically because he was a communist.

Chinese are commies, cubans are commies though you don't see that there.

You see a common thread with a lot of really big genocidal mass murderers, and I'm start getting really suspicious about that thread.

Especially as the examples of communism going really bad, seem to be very numerous compared to those times it does NOT.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Weird, the stability of government investment in science and healthcare has probably saved 10 times that number.

Want to play hard ball mother fucker?

 

[baileyn45]

Love Bill Burr! Funniest in many years. His "why do I do this" is one of the best hours ever.