Massachusetts Judge Orders Justina Pelletier To Be Returned Home

[TemplarKormac]

This proves Joe, that you have no idea what you're talking about. None.

 

[JoeB131]

And so, you are judging them now for what they did to you then? Sure, but that doesn't explain why you think you know more than her parents do. I mean, you have a bad habit of judging people without the slightest inkling of the facts.

Hey Sherlock, we have medical ethics laws in place for a reason, you should have taken your case up in the court of law. I'm really sorry for what those doctors did to you, but in the end, it does not excuse the rank insensitivity you've displayed here. You've let all of your life experiences paint a picture of reality that isn't there.

I've read the coverage on this story. When you get past the people with agendas - the people who think that government is oppressing them when they enforce the law - what you get is a doctor who made a diagnosis of a disease the cannot be tested for. There is no test for Mitochondrial Disease.

And when other doctors saw her, they saw a kid who was suffering from pretty fucking serious psychological issues. When the parents failed to see that, they stepped in.

 

[JoeB131]

Moreover, the Massachusetts DCF screwed this one up big time. They lacked the medical expertise to handle this case properly. Apparently they didn't know anything about Justina's condition, and thought her parents were making stuff up. They were ill suited to referee her case.

Even the Massachusetts Legislature 7 years prior had suggested that the DCF add a medical director to help with these sorts of cases. But it has yet to do this. They were the root of the problem.

Hey,f rankly, this "Mitochrondial" disease sounds like of like something you might have.

I think this is a great excuse why you can't get your ass off the couch.

All you need are some "enablers" to diagnose you with that. Because apparently, there's no test for that.

 

[JoeB131]

While this story is a bit sympathetic, here's an interesting tidbit.

The Justina Pelletier case: A medical collision with a child in the middle - Metro - The Boston Globe

But Peters had already begun to question that assessment. Here was a girl who was on multiple medications and who had undergone multiple interventions at the hands of multiple specialists, but all that care “has not yielded a definitive unifying diagnosis,” he wrote in Justina’s medical chart.

He noted that two of the criteria often used in arriving at a mitochondrial disease diagnosis were not present in Justina’s case. “Metabolic workup was unremarkable,” he wrote, adding, “She has not had a muscle biopsy.”

Just a few hours after Peters had first examined Justina, he entered a lengthy addendum to his admission notes, writing that he was concerned about the care she had received from numerous providers in different facilities and states, “the number of invasive procedures Justina has been submitted to, [and] the black and white thinking of Mom.” And he challenged Linda’s declaration of the mito diagnosis, saying Justina’s medical records suggested much less certainty.


As soon as Simona Bujoreanu entered Justina’s room the next day, Linda liked the 39-year-old psychologist’s bubbly personality.

Yet the psychologist quickly began to form her own doubts about both the mother and her daughter’s mito diagnosis. When she later documented her impressions from that first day, Bujoreanu noted that Justina appeared to be more impaired when her mother was around. During an examination that Monday afternoon, when Justina stuttered and struggled to articulate simple words such as cracker, Bujoreanu wrote, “mother was reacting at the bedside, making statements such as ‘See, what is that?’ or ‘Why is this happening?’ ”

As to the latter question, records show that Bujoreanu appeared to be homing in on an answer: a condition called somatoform (or somatization) disorder. As Bujoreanu explained in a 2011 review article that she co-wrote for a medical journal, “somatization is the process whereby distress is experienced as physical symptoms.”

 

[Unkotare]

Hey, here's the thing. She's been in the custody of the state not getting treatment for her imaginary malady for over a year, and she didn't get worse.

Hmmmmm....

She has gotten much, much worse you ignorant fool. Your knee-jerk defense of anything a leftist, controlling, patriarchal government does or tells you to think has reached pathological levels. YOU should be forced into 'treatment.' If obama told you so himself, you'd crawl on your knees to Washington to beg him for further instructions. You have gone so far left you've fallen off the deep end.

 

[Unkotare]

Moreover, the Massachusetts DCF screwed this one up big time. They lacked the medical expertise to handle this case properly. Apparently they didn't know anything about Justina's condition, and thought her parents were making stuff up. They were ill suited to referee her case.

Even the Massachusetts Legislature 7 years prior had suggested that the DCF add a medical director to help with these sorts of cases. But it has yet to do this. They were the root of the problem.

The corruption and incompetence in the legal process in all this has been even worse than you know. This has been daily local news for ages now. The poor girl's father has been on local radio and TV daily explaining what has happened and begging someone to help his family. The details of the legal process have been even more shocking than then callous nature of the medical process. And a little girl has been irreversibly harmed by it all, not to mention her family.

 

[Katzndogz]

She was an ice skater. Now she's in a wheel chair unable to walk. ONLY to a liberal is this not getting worse. She is now paralyzed from the waist down. ONLY to a liberal is this an improvement.

One of the things that DCF did that they wanted to do, was prevent Justina from attending Church. Which might have been the whole point of her incarceration.

Justina Pelletier Heading Home After 16-Month Medical Custody Battle - ABC News

 

[martybegan]

And so, you are judging them now for what they did to you then? Sure, but that doesn't explain why you think you know more than her parents do. I mean, you have a bad habit of judging people without the slightest inkling of the facts.

Hey Sherlock, we have medical ethics laws in place for a reason, you should have taken your case up in the court of law. I'm really sorry for what those doctors did to you, but in the end, it does not excuse the rank insensitivity you've displayed here. You've let all of your life experiences paint a picture of reality that isn't there.

I've read the coverage on this story. When you get past the people with agendas - the people who think that government is oppressing them when they enforce the law - what you get is a doctor who made a diagnosis of a disease the cannot be tested for. There is no test for Mitochondrial Disease.

And when other doctors saw her, they saw a kid who was suffering from pretty fucking serious psychological issues. When the parents failed to see that, they stepped in.

There is also no test for Somataform disease, which the other doctor thought it was.

A girl got to spend a YEAR in a psychiatric ward without any major improvement due to bureaucratic assholes.

 

[Katzndogz]

She spent 16 months in the hands of these incompetents. The only reason she was returned to Tufts for medical care is that she was dying.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Seems Joe never tires of embarrassing himself.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Joe, you just proved how heartless you can be. You have zero empathy for those who are suffering. Put yourself in her parent's shoes. Well no... they would engulf you.

You know what, no excuse for bad parenting would get my sympathy.

Doctor's told them all this shit was in her head. Turns out it was.

How can you explain how that was "all in her head"? You don't simply wake up one morning and say "Mom, Dad, I don't feel well, I have mitochondrial disease, can I stay home from school today?"

Perhaps if you were afflicted with the disease she had, and left to its mercies, perhaps you would feel a little bit of empathy. But I am surely convinced you are evil to the core, you lack compassion for anyone or anything.

You would probably let a cancer patient die at your feet with you holding the cure. People like you sicken me. No compassion or care for your fellow men. What a sad existence you must lead.

I truly believe that Joe is the purest, darkest example of EVIL ever to post here.

 

[JoeB131]

You know what, no excuse for bad parenting would get my sympathy.

Doctor's told them all this shit was in her head. Turns out it was.

How can you explain how that was "all in her head"? You don't simply wake up one morning and say "Mom, Dad, I don't feel well, I have mitochondrial disease, can I stay home from school today?"

Perhaps if you were afflicted with the disease she had, and left to its mercies, perhaps you would feel a little bit of empathy. But I am surely convinced you are evil to the core, you lack compassion for anyone or anything.

You would probably let a cancer patient die at your feet with you holding the cure. People like you sicken me. No compassion or care for your fellow men. What a sad existence you must lead.

I truly believe that Joe is the purest, darkest example of EVIL ever to post here.

I truly believe you are the stupidest person to post here. But all these other idiots are giving you stiff competition.

But here's the thing. When two doctors and DCF and a judge all find that this girl was being abused by her parents, who really seem to have the whole Munchhausen by Proxy thing down, I take that a little more seriously than the Crazy Mormon who Fox News Fired.

 

[JoeB131]

She was an ice skater. Now she's in a wheel chair unable to walk. ONLY to a liberal is this not getting worse. She is now paralyzed from the waist down. ONLY to a liberal is this an improvement.

One of the things that DCF did that they wanted to do, was prevent Justina from attending Church. Which might have been the whole point of her incarceration.

Justina Pelletier Heading Home After 16-Month Medical Custody Battle - ABC News

According to the news story, she was in a wheelchair when she started her imaginary treatments.

 

[Katzndogz]

Here's the thing. The girl was active. She ice skated. She rode a bicycle. Under the care of Boston Children's Hospital psychiatric providers and DCF she is now in a wheel chair. She may never walk again. She has lost most of her hair. There is only one reason why this girl was returned to her family. She was dying and the state did not want to deal with a dead girl's family.

 

[JoeB131]

Here's the thing. The girl was active. She ice skated. She rode a bicycle. Under the care of Boston Children's Hospital psychiatric providers and DCF she is now in a wheel chair. She may never walk again. She has lost most of her hair. There is only one reason why this girl was returned to her family. She was dying and the state did not want to deal with a dead girl's family.

So reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, then?

 

[Katzndogz]

She was an ice skater. Now she's in a wheel chair unable to walk. ONLY to a liberal is this not getting worse. She is now paralyzed from the waist down. ONLY to a liberal is this an improvement.

One of the things that DCF did that they wanted to do, was prevent Justina from attending Church. Which might have been the whole point of her incarceration.

Justina Pelletier Heading Home After 16-Month Medical Custody Battle - ABC News

According to the news story, she was in a wheelchair when she started her imaginary treatments.

She might well have been in a wheelchair when she started receiving treatment at Tufts which just happens to be the premier teaching university in the entire nation. But when she was admitted to Boston Children's hospital she was an active teenager.

'Last January she was in an ice-skating competition. Now she's in a wheelchair, in constant pain': Parents of teen girl 'imprisoned' on psych ward by doctors for a YEAR tell of their desperation to get her home | Mail Online

Teen indefinitely detained in psych ward after parents seek 2nd medical opinion | Police State USA

In the ten months since she was admitted to Boston Children’s Hospital, Justina’s condition has deteriorated to the point where her family says she no longer walks on her own and is now bound to a wheelchair.

Mass. judge sentences Justina Pelletier to foster care | Interviews | Fox News

And we found out more and more there is nothing going on with the parents here that is an issue. In fact, what we have is Boston Children's Hospital and the Department of Children and Families, DCF, taking this child away from these parents who love this daughter and who want to care for this daughter, and who simply disagree with the recent diagnosis of a newly minted physician who only had been out of medical school for seven months, who disagreed with her actual treating physicians from Tufts. In fact, in January of 2013.

KELLY: Who had been doing this for years?

STAVER: He had been doing this for years. He is a medical expert at Tufts, and in January 2013, Justina was figure skating. She was figure skating in ice competitions, as well. And in February, she develops a severe flu and bad stomach problems, unable to eat, so the doctor at Tufts recommends she goes to Boston Children's Hospital and recommends she see a gastroenterologist who went from Tufts to Boston. So, they checked her in, but they never get a chance even to this day to see that gastroenterologist.

 

[JoeB131]

So how about sources that aren't right wing nutter sites.

I posted something from the Boston Globe which was pretty fair and balanced.

But sheeeeet, that just doesn't fit in with you "The gummit is coming for my children" narrative you guys like.

 

[Jarlaxle]

She was an ice skater. Now she's in a wheel chair unable to walk. ONLY to a liberal is this not getting worse. She is now paralyzed from the waist down. ONLY to a liberal is this an improvement.

One of the things that DCF did that they wanted to do, was prevent Justina from attending Church. Which might have been the whole point of her incarceration.

Justina Pelletier Heading Home After 16-Month Medical Custody Battle - ABC News

According to the news story, she was in a wheelchair when she started her imaginary treatments.

A month before BCH kidnapped her, she was figure skating!

 

[Jarlaxle]

So how about sources that aren't right wing nutter sites.

I posted something from the Boston Globe which was pretty fair and balanced.

But sheeeeet, that just doesn't fit in with you "The gummit is coming for my children" narrative you guys like.

Dude, just stop. No matter what ANYONE posts, you will shriek "RIGHTWINGNUTTER!" or "ALLHAILDCF!" I understand you have this bizarre need to defend the indefensible, but it's gone from astounding, to shocking, to just plain pathetic.

If you keep jerking your knee like that, you might blow an ACL.

 

[Unkotare]

Only joeblow could refer to the Boston Globe as fair and balanced. And, of course, he is completely ignorant of the scandals surrounding the DCF and its track record of criminal negligence; negligence that recently resulted in the deaths of several children (that we know of). It has gotten so bad that even governor mini-me obama was forced to remove the fatally incompetent head of the DCF despite resolutely defending her for so long.

But out of town nobody joeblow didn't know or care about any of that. He just saw another opportunity to do what he has been programmed to do: mindlessly defend anything and everything that the government does because he wants so badly to belong to the state.