Marx’s Lesson for the Muslim's in Egypt

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KARL MARX wrote that history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce. He had in mind the Revolution of 1848, when a democratic uprising against the French monarchy collapsed into a Bonapartist dictatorship just as the French Revolution had six decades earlier.

In 1848, workers joined with liberals in a democratic revolt to overthrow the French monarchy. However, almost as soon as the old order collapsed, the opposition fell apart, as liberals grew increasingly alarmed by what they saw as “radical” working class demands. Conservatives were able to co-opt fearful liberals and reinstall new forms of dictatorship.

Those same patterns are playing out in Egypt today — with liberals and authoritarians playing themselves, and Islamists playing the role of socialists. Once again, an inexperienced and impatient mass movement has overreached after gaining power. Once again, liberals have been frightened by the changes their former partners want to enact and have come crawling back to the old regime for protection. And as in 1848, authoritarians have been happy to take back the reins of power.

It should come as no surprise that Egyptian liberals would implore the military to begin a coup to end the country’s first experiment with democracy just two years after they joined hands with Islamists to oust an authoritarian regime. In the early stages of a country’s political development, liberals and democrats often don’t agree on anything other than the desirability of getting rid of the ancien régime.

Establishing a stable democracy is a two-stage process. First you get rid of the old regime, then you build a durable democratic replacement. Because the first stage is dramatic, many people think the game is over when the dictator has gone. But the second stage is more difficult. There are many examples of broad coalitions coming together to oust dictators but relatively few of them stayed together and agreed on what the new regime should look like. Opposition movements tend to lose steam, falling prey to internal squabbles and the resurgent forces of the old regime.

This is almost exactly what is playing out in Egypt now. Years of authoritarian rule meant that political and social institutions allowing the peaceful articulation of popular dissent were systematically suppressed. And the state deliberately deepened social divisions. So when democratization came, long-dormant distrust and animosity exploded in extremist rhetoric, mass protests and violence. These things always frighten liberals, who favor order and moderation and dislike radical social experiments. This was true in Europe in 1789 and 1848, and it’s true of Egyptian liberals today.

Egypt’s liberals are repeating those mistakes today. Once again, they see their opponents as zealots determined to abolish everything liberals value. But just as not all socialists were proto-Stalinists, not all Islamists want to implement a theocratic regime. There are moderate Islamists today who are willing to play by the rules of the game, and they should be encouraged to do so.

A century after 1848, social democrats, liberals and even moderate conservatives finally came together to create robust democracies across Western Europe — an outcome that could and should have happened earlier and with less violence. Middle Eastern liberals must learn from Europe’s turbulent history instead of blindly repeating it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/11/o...-the-muslim-brothers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
OP by one sherri berman------none of the articles he/she writes
seem to make much sense------he/she sticks to the idea that
making a democracy is tumultuous------well---actually----
Making the SOVIET UNION and CHINA marxist states was
no picnic-------his/her stuff is -----trite-----reading that stuff
taught me nothing
 
I saw a program on Mohammed to other day on PBS, I didn't realize what a fucking pussy he was, being to told what to do by his wife all the time. :lol:
And the koran wasn't written until 200 years after his death, making it all hearsay.
 
I saw a program on Mohammed to other day on PBS, I didn't realize what a fucking pussy he was, being to told what to do by his wife all the time. :lol:
And the koran wasn't written until 200 years after his death, making it all hearsay.



well-----ok for better insight----read the book Good that you know about
when the koran was written-----I would estimate----early versions were written
in the first hundred years ------the finalized version ---maybe 150 years later

I knew nothing when I first read the koran------I was---about 19 -----the issue
that confused me most was the FORWARD TO THE TRANSLATION by the
translator PICTHALL------he described "INNOVATIONS TO WHICH MUHUMMAD
INTRODUCED THE WORLD--------Like the utterly new idea of "freeing slaves"----
and "women's rights"---------I got so confused by Pickthall that I thought muhummad
must have lived something like 7000 years ago -----more like 1400 years ago----
practically yesterday--------Brutus had already stabbed Julius.

as to writing the koran----keep in mind----arabic did not have an alphabet
until about 1700 years ago-----and in all that time-----the overwhelming
majority of arabic speaking people------did not know it. Always maintain
a time and place perspective when reading old literature
 

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