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I've yet to see any compelling evidence supporting "The universe may have been created", whereas what we do observe seems to have "always been around in some form or another." I presume recurring "singularities", "universes" existing well beyond our ability to "observe" them thus far, and no multiple "dimensions" or "planes" of existence.The universe may have been created or it may have always been around in some form or another. It may or may not be but I see no definitive evidence either way.
I don't disagree with you but there was a Big Bang, the only one we know about, so something happened. What was there before I'll likely never know.I've yet to see any compelling evidence supporting "The universe may have been created", whereas what we do observe seems to have "always been around in some form or another." I presume recurring "singularities", "universes" existing well beyond our ability to "observe" them thus far, and no multiple "dimensions" or "planes" of existence.
A Big Bang, yes, for which energy was obviously required. Logically, we will not be able to detect possible then distant matter since the universe we observe is apparently still expanding. But we may still be looking at it wrong. The data from the fancy new space telescope may yet reveal much.I don't disagree with you but there was a Big Bang, the only one we know about, so something happened. What was there before I'll likely never know.
Werner Heisenberg: “Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.”A Big Bang, yes, for which energy was obviously required. Logically, we will not be able to detect possible then distant matter since the universe we observe is apparently still expanding. But we may still be looking at it wrong. The data from the fancy new space telescope may yet reveal much.
I've yet to see any compelling evidence supporting "The universe may have been created" ...
... I presume
recurring "singularities", "universes" existing well beyond our ability to "observe" them thus far ...
Thus his blimp went kerflooey!Werner Heisenberg: “Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.”
That's a gross misstatement. Believing the universe was created to create intelligence doesn't mean it was created with me in mind, nor do I believe these things because I am intelligent. I believe these things because that's what happened naturally according to the laws of nature which are tuned for life.You are a chauvinist. You think that because you are intelligent, the universe somehow was created with you in mind, that you are some kind of end product of creation.
Exactly. And what can be stranger than the physical world being made of mind stuff?Werner Heisenberg: “Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.”
Nope. But you and your precious Saint Augustine are as entitled to your poorly qualified opinions as I am.God created time. The question "what was before creation?" is a pointless question because there was no time before creation. God's powerful word of creation is a timeless word.
Augustinus (354-430 AD)
I presume
From Google AI:Which philosophical and/or scientific method is this?
"I presume" is a verb that means to assume, suppose, or take for granted something. For example, "I presume you're tired after your drive". "Presume" can also be used in law to mean assuming something is true when there is no proof to the contrary.
Are you no longer a Christian? Bible thumper? Creationist?That's a gross misstatement. Believing the universe was created to create intelligence doesn't mean it was created with me in mind, nor do I believe these things because I am intelligent. I believe these things because that's what happened naturally according to the laws of nature which are tuned for life.
But getting back to your argument, how is it simpler for happenstance to create a universe capable of producing life? Because it's not, and I'd be more than happy to prove it to you. It's much simpler and has way less assumptions to believe that the constant presence of mind created the material world such that beings that know and create would arise.
I'm a human being. How's that?Are you no longer a Christian? Bible thumper? Creationist?
Maybe we'll be able to answer that when we know how common life is in the universe.That's a gross misstatement. Believing the universe was created to create intelligence doesn't mean it was created with me in mind, nor do I believe these things because I am intelligent. I believe these things because that's what happened naturally according to the laws of nature which are tuned for life.
I'd be thrilled if you could prove it to me but that 'proof' will require more than just logic based on our lack of evidence.But getting back to your argument, how is it simpler for happenstance to create a universe capable of producing life? Because it's not, and I'd be more than happy to prove it to you. It's much simpler and has way less assumptions to believe that the constant presence of mind created the material world such that beings that know and create would arise.
Ah, the paradox. If I could answer that question Heisenberg would be wrong.Exactly. And what can be stranger than the physical world being made of mind stuff?
obfuscatory, deceitful, worthlessI'm a human being. How's that?
Nope. But you and your precious Saint Augustine are as entitled to your poorly qualified opinions as I am.
So is Adeel A Mangi Saint Ding. How can either one of you prove the God you worship is the one and only TRUE GOD.?I'm a human being.
Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.
Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.
