“Mandated” gas taxes! Who “Mandates” taxes more?

[CausingPAIN]

Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) Signed The Highway Revenue Act “mandated” a tax of three cents per gallon. Then along came the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 and TAXES? The legislation was championed by the Reagan (R) administration, And the companion Highway Revenue Act of 1982 added a nickel to the gas tax! In 1990 the gas tax was increased by President George H. W. Bush (R) with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 to make it 14 cents. In 1993 President Clinton (D)increased the gas tax to 18.4 cents. Hmm? Let see…
18.4 total taxes by both R&D combined? Ok. Very bad “Mandated” Taxes!
4.4% by DNC group!
14% by the RNC group!
My questions is, will the real Constrictive Pericarditis CONSERVATIVE please stand up if you can? And I have a new “Mandated” for my Banners!

 

[BlindBoo]

Well it certainly isn't the pseudo-conservatives who are for the mandates. Mandates are gay. And nobody is more anti-gay than........oh wait.....nevermind.

 

[Oddball]

The fuel taxes -legal, lawful and completely constitutional excise taxes BTW- enacted by republicans went into the highway trust fund to support paying for roads and bridges, while Bubba's fuel tax increase went to the general fund to spend on the socialistic welfare state.

But thanks for the sputtering and borderline incomprehensible rant anyways.

 

[CausingPAIN]

The fuel taxes -legal, lawful and completely constitutional excise taxes BTW- enacted by republicans went into the highway trust fund to support paying for roads and bridges, while Bubba's fuel tax increase went to the general fund to spend on the socialistic welfare state.

But thanks for the sputtering and borderline incomprehensible rant anyways.

please double check how federal funds are issued. The highways never get repairs to the tune of 33-36 billion a year. btw. With that money they all should/would be spotless too. Your welcum to balls and pull up on that sack, I see alot of blood stains out on the roads!

btw
"while Bubba's fuel tax increase went to the general fund to spend on the socialistic welfare state"
Should this not be on the steps of Condom? The Magic Nine! or aka,Scotus'ks?

 

[CausingPAIN]

The fuel taxes -legal, lawful and completely constitutional excise taxes BTW- enacted by republicans went into the highway trust fund to support paying for roads and bridges, while Bubba's fuel tax increase went to the general fund to spend on the socialistic welfare state.

But thanks for the sputtering and borderline incomprehensible rant anyways.

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I called it Polari, I forgot the user name, Damn!
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[PoliticalChic]

Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) Signed The Highway Revenue Act “mandated” a tax of three cents per gallon. Then along came the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 and TAXES? The legislation was championed by the Reagan (R) administration, And the companion Highway Revenue Act of 1982 added a nickel to the gas tax! In 1990 the gas tax was increased by President George H. W. Bush (R) with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 to make it 14 cents. In 1993 President Clinton (D)increased the gas tax to 18.4 cents. Hmm? Let see…
18.4 total taxes by both R&D combined? Ok. Very bad “Mandated” Taxes!
4.4% by DNC group!
14% by the RNC group!
My questions is, will the real Constrictive Pericarditis CONSERVATIVE please stand up if you can? And I have a new “Mandated” for my Banners!

Federal highway and mass transit programs, budgeted at $41.3 billion in 2011.

Eisenhower’s Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 was supposed to expire in 1972, “designed to create a national 41,250-mile highway system to be completed by 1969.” It has been expanded to 160,000 miles. The 18.4 cents federal fuel tax to fund the plan could be assumed by the states (I know, the Constitution gives the feds the power to establish ‘post roads’… can’t we assume that to have been done?). Federal Highway Funding | Downsizing the Federal Government

 

[American Horse]

Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) Signed The Highway Revenue Act “mandated” a tax of three cents per gallon. Then along came the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 and TAXES? The legislation was championed by the Reagan (R) administration, And the companion Highway Revenue Act of 1982 added a nickel to the gas tax! In 1990 the gas tax was increased by President George H. W. Bush (R) with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 to make it 14 cents. In 1993 President Clinton (D)increased the gas tax to 18.4 cents. Hmm? Let see…
18.4 total taxes by both R&D combined? Ok. Very bad “Mandated” Taxes!
4.4% by DNC group!
14% by the RNC group!
My questions is, will the real Constrictive Pericarditis CONSERVATIVE please stand up if you can? And I have a new “Mandated” for my Banners!

The gasoline excise tax is a targeted use tax, and therefore the fairest of all taxes. It is not a mandated tax; states may set their own tax as they see fit.

The only mandate involved is, to get federal funds the states have to apply some matching state funds.

 

[CausingPAIN]

Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) Signed The Highway Revenue Act “mandated” a tax of three cents per gallon. Then along came the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 and TAXES? The legislation was championed by the Reagan (R) administration, And the companion Highway Revenue Act of 1982 added a nickel to the gas tax! In 1990 the gas tax was increased by President George H. W. Bush (R) with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 to make it 14 cents. In 1993 President Clinton (D)increased the gas tax to 18.4 cents. Hmm? Let see…
18.4 total taxes by both R&D combined? Ok. Very bad “Mandated” Taxes!
4.4% by DNC group!
14% by the RNC group!
My questions is, will the real Constrictive Pericarditis CONSERVATIVE please stand up if you can? And I have a new “Mandated” for my Banners!

The gasoline excise tax is a targeted use tax, and therefore the fairest of all taxes. It is not a mandated tax; states may set their own tax as they see fit.

The only mandate involved is, to get federal funds the states have to apply some matching state funds.

Can you tell me at what point a Tax Law with and expiration date balloons it way forward over years. As well as extended many times, evolves to a mandated budget revue source today?

 

[American Horse]

Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) Signed The Highway Revenue Act “mandated” a tax of three cents per gallon. Then along came the Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 and TAXES? The legislation was championed by the Reagan (R) administration, And the companion Highway Revenue Act of 1982 added a nickel to the gas tax! In 1990 the gas tax was increased by President George H. W. Bush (R) with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 to make it 14 cents. In 1993 President Clinton (D)increased the gas tax to 18.4 cents. Hmm? Let see…
18.4 total taxes by both R&D combined? Ok. Very bad “Mandated” Taxes!
4.4% by DNC group!
14% by the RNC group!
My questions is, will the real Constrictive Pericarditis CONSERVATIVE please stand up if you can? And I have a new “Mandated” for my Banners!

The gasoline excise tax is a targeted use tax, and therefore the fairest of all taxes. It is not a mandated tax; states may set their own tax as they see fit.

The only mandate involved is, to get federal funds the states have to apply some matching state funds.

Can you tell me at what point a Tax Law with and expiration date balloons it way forward over years. As well as extended many times, evolves to a mandated budget revue source today?

It's our transportation system and has ongoing needs for maintenance and upgrading to meet expansion needs. A gallon of gasoline represents a certain amount of miles driven by either a car or a truck, or whatever, and the maintenance needs produced by that amount of useage.

To me, except for the amount of funds extracted for non-transportation expenditures, I see it as probably the most legitimate of all of our tax obligations.

Remember, a person who walks, rides a bicycle, or doesn't use transportation directly pays nothing, other than they pay indirectly for products or merchandise they buy which requires transportation and the transportation charges are a part of the cost of the product or merchandise. Then it is a proportional cost per unit for weight or volume.

So how in your estimation is it a mandate?

 

[CausingPAIN]

The gasoline excise tax is a targeted use tax, and therefore the fairest of all taxes. It is not a mandated tax; states may set their own tax as they see fit.

The only mandate involved is, to get federal funds the states have to apply some matching state funds.

Can you tell me at what point a Tax Law with and expiration date balloons it way forward over years. As well as extended many times, evolves to a mandated budget revue source today?

It's our transportation system and has ongoing needs for maintenance and upgrading to meet expansion needs. A gallon of gasoline represents a certain amount of miles driven by either a car or a truck, or whatever, and the maintenance needs produced by that amount of useage.

To me, except for the amount of funds extracted for non-transportation expenditures, I see it as probably the most legitimate of all of our tax obligations.

Remember, a person who walks, rides a bicycle, or doesn't use transportation directly pays nothing, other than they pay indirectly for products or merchandise they buy which requires transportation and the transportation charges are a part of the cost of the product or merchandise. Then it is a proportional cost per unit for weight or volume.

So how in your estimation is it a mandate?

Long answer short.. See page 8 & 20 attached. Yes a fair tax deal to me, now a mandated cookie fee!


http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/bp56 final.pdf
or just page 20 below
Conclusion

"Current gasoline taxes have unquestionably
departed from their historical justification
which was rooted in the benefit principle of
taxation. The somewhat recent acceleration in
the movement away from the benefit principle
is to the considerable detriment of sound tax
policy, quality public roads, millions of motorists
and the overall integrity of government
“trust funds.”
If benefit-principle taxation is to survive as
the foremost source of road funding, lawmakers
must insist on more oversight to ensure revenue
from gasoline tax “user fees” does not support
“bridges to nowhere,” or museums, or graffiti
removal, but is instead used to build the roads
of the 21st century, providing a fair and equitable
transportation system for all American
motorists."

 

[American Horse]

Can you tell me at what point a Tax Law with and expiration date balloons it way forward over years. As well as extended many times, evolves to a mandated budget revue source today?

It's our transportation system and has ongoing needs for maintenance and upgrading to meet expansion needs. A gallon of gasoline represents a certain amount of miles driven by either a car or a truck, or whatever, and the maintenance needs produced by that amount of useage.

To me, except for the amount of funds extracted for non-transportation expenditures, I see it as probably the most legitimate of all of our tax obligations.

Remember, a person who walks, rides a bicycle, or doesn't use transportation directly pays nothing, other than they pay indirectly for products or merchandise they buy which requires transportation and the transportation charges are a part of the cost of the product or merchandise. Then it is a proportional cost per unit for weight or volume.

So how in your estimation is it a mandate?

Long answer short.. See page 8 & 20 attached. Yes a fair tax deal to me, now a mandated cookie fee!


http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/bp56 final.pdf
or just page 20 below
Conclusion

"Current gasoline taxes have unquestionably
departed from their historical justification
which was rooted in the benefit principle of
taxation. The somewhat recent acceleration in
the movement away from the benefit principle
is to the considerable detriment of sound tax
policy, quality public roads, millions of motorists
and the overall integrity of government
“trust funds.”
If benefit-principle taxation is to survive as
the foremost source of road funding, lawmakers
must insist on more oversight to ensure revenue
from gasoline tax “user fees” does not support
“bridges to nowhere,” or museums, or graffiti
removal, but is instead used to build the roads
of the 21st century, providing a fair and equitable
transportation system for all American
motorists."

I read the entire text of your link and I agree completely; the highway trust fund, the kitty-account is being raided by our politicians. The so called "bridge to nowhere" is the poster boy for the waste, and the Republicans who were the authors of that particular waste definitely paid the political price.

It still goes on with light rail projects and bike paths which can be some pretty expensive outlays, with the rationale that they provide alternative transportation and reduce loads on the system so they are justified from gasoline taxes which ought to be spent directly on the transportation system IMO.

As a matter of fact those two prajects in particular take valuable R.R. R.o.W. out of inventory, thus adding to the amount of heavy freight that stresses bridges and being larger or hazardous because of size or content poses special risks to public safety and convenience.

But to your point, I agree it becomes something other than what it was intended to be when funds are diverted to special earmark projects that politicians back home can lay claim to as bringing money back to the home district. Not so sure about the correctness of the label of mandate though.

 

[CausingPAIN]

It's our transportation system and has ongoing needs for maintenance and upgrading to meet expansion needs. A gallon of gasoline represents a certain amount of miles driven by either a car or a truck, or whatever, and the maintenance needs produced by that amount of useage.

To me, except for the amount of funds extracted for non-transportation expenditures, I see it as probably the most legitimate of all of our tax obligations.

Remember, a person who walks, rides a bicycle, or doesn't use transportation directly pays nothing, other than they pay indirectly for products or merchandise they buy which requires transportation and the transportation charges are a part of the cost of the product or merchandise. Then it is a proportional cost per unit for weight or volume.

So how in your estimation is it a mandate?

Long answer short.. See page 8 & 20 attached. Yes a fair tax deal to me, now a mandated cookie fee!


http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/bp56 final.pdf
or just page 20 below
Conclusion

"Current gasoline taxes have unquestionably
departed from their historical justification
which was rooted in the benefit principle of
taxation. The somewhat recent acceleration in
the movement away from the benefit principle
is to the considerable detriment of sound tax
policy, quality public roads, millions of motorists
and the overall integrity of government
“trust funds.”
If benefit-principle taxation is to survive as
the foremost source of road funding, lawmakers
must insist on more oversight to ensure revenue
from gasoline tax “user fees” does not support
“bridges to nowhere,” or museums, or graffiti
removal, but is instead used to build the roads
of the 21st century, providing a fair and equitable
transportation system for all American
motorists."

I read the entire text of your link and I agree completely; the highway trust fund, the kitty-account is being raided by our politicians. The so called "bridge to nowhere" is the poster boy for the waste, and the Republicans who were the authors of that particular waste definitely paid the political price.


It still goes on with light rail projects and bike paths which can be some pretty expensive outlays, with the rationale that they provide alternative transportation and reduce loads on the system so they are justified from gasoline taxes which ought to be spent directly on the transportation system IMO. As a matter of fact those two prajects in particular take valuable R.R. R.o.W. out of inventory, thus adding to the amount of heavy freight that stresses bridges and being larger or hazardous because of size or content poses special risks to public safety and convenience.

Sir, Thxs. My point still is calling it a Mandate to pick pockets than a fair Tax.
I call it what is , anything to keep the money flow going. So If you feel better justifying it as a Tax for the people... Ok. IMO for every $1 spent on real work , needs $3 in waste/or payoff's. btw. It started it life as a Mandate

 

[American Horse]

"Post Roads" are mentioned in the constitution. A modern nation needs a modern transportation system. Politicians will miss spend any time they can get their hands on dollars, particularly large funds set aside as a "Trust Fund" for future contingencies. That's just what politicians do. We can be thankful we have two Political Parties to hold each other responsible. The degree to which they dont and simply collude, the more likely we are to see our specified targetted dollars wasted on non relevant wasteful expenditures.

One idea is to return all federal funds to the states according to their proportional pay in, letting them decide what projects they want to spend on from their own account. The House Transportation Committee has found that getting a permit for a new road costs twice as much, and takes three times as long, when federal money is included than when financed with private or local dollars.

Right now a lot more money is going to the cities and the coPasts. If California wants a high speed rail project from LA to SFran, then it's on them. when they are spending someone else's money it's a whole lot easier to justify, with some projects promoted for the jobs on the ground they will create, albeit temporarily.

Our Indiana Gov Daniels set an example of "out of the box" creative thinking when he proposed leasing the Indiana Toll Road across Northern Indiana for 75 years for 7-billion in up-front money; a lot of money for a small state like ours. The In. Toll road was a perennial cost-to-revenue loser.

That money is being put to use upgrading the highways locally all over the state, and of course it's being used to leverage federal money. We are also extending I-69 from Indy to Evansville on N. side of the ohio river at Ky. E'ville, the states second city has always been commercially more a part of Ky than Indiana. Now development in between will be vastly more stimulated than before.

He also proposed some new toll roads but the politicians wouldn't allow. The point is, it's time for the states to take the lead and the RESPONSIBILITY for their transportation systems. They know them and their needs best, and they have mature management systems to get it done. They are already completely in charge of state and federal roads with the exception of new extensions to the I.S. Hwy System.

 

[CausingPAIN]

"Post Roads" are mentioned in the constitution. A modern nation needs a modern transportation system. Politicians will miss spend any time they can get their hands on dollars, particularly large funds set aside as a "Trust Fund" for future contingencies. That's just what politicians do. We can be thankful we have two Political Parties to hold each other responsible. The degree to which they dont and simply collude, the more likely we are to see our specified targetted dollars wasted on non relevant wasteful expenditures.

One idea is to return all federal funds to the states according to their proportional pay in, letting them decide what projects they want to spend on from their own account. The House Transportation Committee has found that getting a permit for a new road costs twice as much, and takes three times as long, when federal money is included than when financed with private or local dollars.

Right now a lot more money is going to the cities and the coPasts. If California wants a high speed rail project from LA to SFran, then it's on them. when they are spending someone else's money it's a whole lot easier to justify, with some projects promoted for the jobs on the ground they will create, albeit temporarily.

Our Indiana Gov Daniels set an example of "out of the box" creative thinking when he proposed leasing the Indiana Toll Road across Northern Indiana for 75 years for 7-billion in up-front money; a lot of money for a small state like ours. The In. Toll road was a perennial cost-to-revenue loser.

That money is being put to use upgrading the highways locally all over the state, and of course it's being used to leverage federal money. We are also extending I-69 from Indy to Evansville on N. side of the ohio river at Ky. E'ville, the states second city has always been commercially more a part of Ky than Indiana. Now development in between will be vastly more stimulated than before.

He also proposed some new toll roads but the politicians wouldn't allow. The point is, it's time for the states to take the lead and the RESPONSIBILITY for their transportation systems. They know them and their needs best, and they have mature management systems to get it done. They are already completely in charge of state and federal roads with the exception of new extensions to the I.S. Hwy System.

Yes you do post well on the original concept , yes if I were there back then, I would be thinking to my full capacity the same way. Not wrong , just limited to the full long term picture. The world is way, way totally not the same today or just the last 100 years. We suffer under old world knowledge of that time. I feel if these people were anywhere near today’s reality, things would be totally different. This is not an attack, it's just looking with open eyes.

 

[American Horse]

Yes you do post well on the original concept , yes if I were there back then, I would be thinking to my full capacity the same way. Not wrong , just limited to the full long term picture. The world is way, way totally not the same today or just the last 100 years. We suffer under old world knowledge of that time. I feel if these people were anywhere near today’s reality, things would be totally different. This is not an attack, it's just looking with open eyes.

So to make this thread more worthwhile, fill us in on how you think things might be different.
A totally different restructuring of our transportation system?
A different funding sytem?
A different structuring of our habitation of geography?
What?

 

[8537]

The fuel taxes -legal, lawful and completely constitutional excise taxes BTW- enacted by republicans went into the highway trust fund to support paying for roads and bridges, while Bubba's fuel tax increase went to the general fund to spend on the socialistic welfare state.

But thanks for the sputtering and borderline incomprehensible rant anyways.

Oh gawd. Speaking of uninformed rants.

Do you think there's a special pot o' money in DC labeled "highway trust fund" sitting right next to one labeled "SS Trust Fund"? And if so, where do you believe they park the excess funds in those trusts, Tom?