Mandalay Bay owners sue VICTIMS of Las Vegas mass shooting

[JustAnotherNut]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

Carrying them?

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

Carrying them?

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

Carrying them?

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Do you have any idea what a gun in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

Do you know what ammunition in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Did any of you not bother to read the attached story? I posted about this earlier today. Apparently there is a provision either in the Patriot Act or a law resulting directly from the 9/11 attacks that states that if a company uses a security company that is certified by the Department of Homeland Security and a "mass attack on U.S. soil occurs", then they cannot be held liable. In order to enforce the company's rights (MGM) under this law moved to have the lawsuits against them removed to federal court where they're hoping to have a judge rule that they were not liable for the attack.

This is not creative lawyering, it's in accordance with a specific law that was created but the resoning behind their action is not to further harm the victims. The person who commited this act is the sole responsible party and he's dead. I guess the pockets of his estate are not deep enough.

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The complaint doesn't seek money from them, but instead seeks to have their cases moved to federal court — where a 2002 federal act may provide more protection for MGM.

The company that owns the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and the Route 91 Harvest festival venue in Las Vegas where dozens were killed and hundreds of others injured in a mass shooting has taken legal action — against the victims.

MGM Resorts International filed complaints in Nevada and California federal courts last Friday. The company does not seek compensation from survivors of the October 2017 rampage; instead, they insist MGM was not at fault for the massacre in the first place, citing a 2002 federal act.

That legislation, the Support Anti-Terrorism by Fostering Effective Technologies, or Safety Act, protects corporations in the event of mass attacks committed on U.S. soil, provided services certified by the Department of Homeland Security were deployed.

In the case of the Las Vegas shooting, gunman Stephen Paddock fired shot after shot from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay resort down on a crowd of about 22,000. All told, 58 people were killed and more than 500 were injured, making it the worst mass shooting in modern American history.

But because MGM had hired Contemporary Services Corporation, a security vendor for the concert whose services had been certified by the Department of Homeland Security, it claims it followed the requirements of the Safety Act.

As a result, MGM wants the cases moved from state court to federal court, where it can make its case under the liability protection of the Safety Act.​

 

[JoeB131]

Evidently Mandalay Bay believes it had / has no responsibility to prevent terrorists from checking into their hotel with semi-automatic rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo and using their room as a sniper roost from which to gun down anything moving below.

Yeah, suing the victims is really going to help their Reputation and bring in the business....

Well, it would be nice if the victims could sue the people who sold enough weapons to fight the Zombie Apocalypse to this nut... but they are protected, so the hotel has to do what it has to do to protect itself.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually what they did was sue them in Federal Court because they (the Casino) were already being sued in State court for the shootings.

It's a jurisdictional fight.

Waaaaaa... "State's rights... state's rights"..

(Oh, wait, no, you guys want this one to go away, before someone asks the sensible question of why the people who sold this guy machine guns can't be sued!)

 

[JoeB131]

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Except they couldn't see that they were weapons... that's the point.

again, the ironic thing is that the hotel can be sued for not stopping this guy, but the people who sold him assault weapons and bump stocks can't be.

 

[iceberg]

Mandalay Bay owners sue victims of Las Vegas mass shooting

"The corporate owners of the Mandalay Bay casino filed suit against the victims of last year’s Las Vegas concert mass shooting, claiming it has no liability for the massacre"

Evidently Mandalay Bay believes it had / has no responsibility to prevent terrorists from checking into their hotel with semi-automatic rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo and using their room as a sniper roost from which to gun down anything moving below.

Yeah, suing the victims is really going to help their Reputation and bring in the business....

Actually what they did was sue them in Federal Court because they (the Casino) were already being sued in State court for the shootings.

It's a jurisdictional fight.

sounds more like process and procedure i don't know enough about to comment on. victims sue them, they sue back to defend themselves.

it's a tragedy to be sure. but i don't see how you can sue the hotel. you can say to search people as they come in or put up high security measures, but i do believe most people screaming for that would book hard rock or another hotel to not be subject to such searches as they come in. so in effect i would think most people demanding this would be the first to cry foul if they had to actually go through their own demands.

wait - they did that at the school in florida with clear backpacks.

 

[martybegan]

Actually what they did was sue them in Federal Court because they (the Casino) were already being sued in State court for the shootings.

It's a jurisdictional fight.

Waaaaaa... "State's rights... state's rights"..

(Oh, wait, no, you guys want this one to go away, before someone asks the sensible question of why the people who sold this guy machine guns can't be sued!)

The question of jurisdiction will be done as per the Constitution.

He wasn't sold a machine gun. stop using the wrong term.

 

[iceberg]

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Except they couldn't see that they were weapons... that's the point.

again, the ironic thing is that the hotel can be sued for not stopping this guy, but the people who sold him assault weapons and bump stocks can't be.

try to sue them. it seems we're a legal happy country anymore anyway and this is our only recourse. hell if we lose we simply restate our case and keep at it til we foot stomp and get our way.

assault weapons and bump stocks are not illegal. hell the definition of "assault rifle" is just stupidity in motion as well. it's whatever the left needs it to be today.

so you're upset that we can sue one person for behaving legally but not another person for behaving legally.

whatever dude.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

^^^ Making camp is a figure of speech. You do know what a figure of speech is, right?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. I'm not concerned about the "had they known" part. I am well aware of how some people are where something like this is concerned. They do not care at all period what happens to other people. Just as long as they themselves are left unaffected.[/QUOTE]

You seriously need to work on your writing. That word salad you just created could easily be used by cryptologists to send coded messages.

My messages could be worse. Would you rather them be like those that have swear words all over them?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

^^^ Making camp is a figure of speech. You do know what a figure of speech is, right?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. I'm not concerned about the "had they known" part. I am well aware of how some people are where something like this is concerned. They do not care at all period what happens to other people. Just as long as they themselves are left unaffected.[/QUOTE]

You seriously need to work on your writing. That word salad you just created could easily be used by cryptologists to send coded messages.

My messages could be worse. Would you rather them be like those that have swear words all over them?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

I normally enjoy reading your posts, but I seriously cannot make heads nor tails out of what you are trying to say.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

^^^ Well in all fairness no two people are going to agree on everything.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Thank you for the compliment.

 

[iceberg]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

room service.

 

[rightwinger]

Can’t say it is a wise public relations move by the Mandalay Bay

Their reputation is bad enough

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

Carrying them?

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Do you have any idea what a gun in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

Do you know what ammunition in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Except they couldn't see that they were weapons... that's the point.

again, the ironic thing is that the hotel can be sued for not stopping this guy, but the people who sold him assault weapons and bump stocks can't be.

23 high powered guns and accessories can't be that easy to hide. But either way, as iceberg said above...…...it wasn't illegal for him to have them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

Carrying them?

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Do you have any idea what a gun in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

Do you know what ammunition in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Except they couldn't see that they were weapons... that's the point.

again, the ironic thing is that the hotel can be sued for not stopping this guy, but the people who sold him assault weapons and bump stocks can't be.

23 high powered guns and accessories can't be that easy to hide. But either way, as iceberg said above...…...it wasn't illegal for him to have them.

What is a high powered gun? Ever seen a low powered gun? If we have one certainly the other must exist!

I could carry most of them in a bag about the size of a golf club bag.

AR-15 style weapons are designed to be light. They also come apart easily. I can break mine into two pieces in about 5 seconds and both pieces would fit inside a standard size suitcase with ease.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Has anyone figured out how the shooter got all those weapons into his room?

Carrying them?

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Do you have any idea what a gun in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

Do you know what ammunition in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Except they couldn't see that they were weapons... that's the point.

again, the ironic thing is that the hotel can be sued for not stopping this guy, but the people who sold him assault weapons and bump stocks can't be.

23 high powered guns and accessories can't be that easy to hide. But either way, as iceberg said above...…...it wasn't illegal for him to have them.

What is a high powered gun? Ever seen a low powered gun? If we have one certainly the other must exist!

I could carry most of them in a bag about the size of a golf club bag.

AR-15 style weapons are designed to be light. They also come apart easily. I can break mine into two pieces in about 5 seconds and both pieces would fit inside a standard size suitcase with ease.

Are you just trying to be a pain in the butt, or what? I have no argument with you, so stop trying to start one

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Carrying them?

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Do you have any idea what a gun in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

Do you know what ammunition in a suitcase looks like? A suitcase! DUH!

You again???


My point was that if it was on video surveillance him bringing several weapons to his room...…...then they could be held responsible for not following up with him as to why, or not reporting it to authorities

Except they couldn't see that they were weapons... that's the point.

again, the ironic thing is that the hotel can be sued for not stopping this guy, but the people who sold him assault weapons and bump stocks can't be.

23 high powered guns and accessories can't be that easy to hide. But either way, as iceberg said above...…...it wasn't illegal for him to have them.

What is a high powered gun? Ever seen a low powered gun? If we have one certainly the other must exist!

I could carry most of them in a bag about the size of a golf club bag.

AR-15 style weapons are designed to be light. They also come apart easily. I can break mine into two pieces in about 5 seconds and both pieces would fit inside a standard size suitcase with ease.

Are you just trying to be a pain in the butt, or what? I have no argument with you, so stop trying to start one

I just corrected your misconception. They are very easy to hide.