Man gunned down in broad daylight.....in gun free Britain...

[2aguy]

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes, I've been told lots of stuff. It all comes down to you not being able to make 4 or 5 look like more than thousands. That's OK. I don't know anybody that could.

You won't answer the question because you can't...

I have no desire to play number games with you
( 5 < thousands)
Come back when you can show that equasion to be false.

Yep.... you can't answer how American gun murder went down when more Americans owned and carry guns....while gun crime in Britain is still going up, after they banned and confiscated guns...

 

[BULLDOG]

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes, I've been told lots of stuff. It all comes down to you not being able to make 4 or 5 look like more than thousands. That's OK. I don't know anybody that could.

You won't answer the question because you can't...

I have no desire to play number games with you
( 5 < thousands)
Come back when you can show that equasion to be false.

Yep.... you can't answer how American gun murder went down when more Americans owned and carry guns....while gun crime in Britain is still going up, after they banned and confiscated guns...

5 < thousands

 

[JakeStarkey]

4 or 5 death increase in UK compare to 30000 thousand in the US.

2aguy always gets frustrated because he cannot get around these numbers with his NRA talking points.

 

[Pop23]

I asked for numbers and choices, and you dance on the head of a pin. You don't understand the discussion obviously.

Neither COULD be known unless you have mind reading abilities

You knew that when you made the silly request

 

[Pop23]

4 or 5 death increase in UK compare to 30000 thousand in the US.

2aguy always gets frustrated because he cannot get around these numbers with his NRA talking points.

Of that number 2/3rds are suicides and if the remaining, 80% are gang related or criminals killed during the act. As pointed out before, mostly in liberal controlled district.

 

[JakeStarkey]

1/3ds are suicides (stop the nonsense), 1/3ds are murders, and the rest are accidents, etc.

The gun bunnies don't even know the facts, yet the opine incessantly.

 

[2aguy]

The British didn't ban guns until 1997....that means up to that point the British citizens had pistols and other guns to use to murder each other.....

How many people were murdered with guns in 1973? 32
(Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999)


How many people were murdered with gun in 2017...32

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The British traded in their guns....and simply got the same gun murder rates as in 1973.....when British people were allowed to own guns in the first place.....

As we keep telling you...Britain had low gun murder before they banned guns..... now they have more gun crime after they banned guns...and their gun control laws haven't effected their gun murder rates....criminal behavior determines how many people they murder with the guns they have.....

 

[BULLDOG]

The British didn't ban guns until 1997....that means up to that point the British citizens had pistols and other guns to use to murder each other.....

How many people were murdered with guns in 1973? 32
(Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999)


How many people were murdered with gun in 2017...32

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The British traded in their guns....and simply got the same gun murder rates as in 1973.....when British people were allowed to own guns in the first place.....

As we keep telling you...Britain had low gun murder before they banned guns..... now they have more gun crime after they banned guns...and their gun control laws haven't effected their gun murder rates....criminal behavior determines how many people they murder with the guns they have.....

5 < thousands

 

[2aguy]

4 or 5 death increase in UK compare to 30000 thousand in the US.

2aguy always gets frustrated because he cannot get around these numbers with his NRA talking points.

Of those 11,004, which is the actual number of gun murders....70-80% of the victims of criminals living in democrat voting districts.....

On the opposite side, Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent rape, robbery and murder...according to the CDC....

So...2,200 gun murders of innocent people....in democrat voting districts, many of whom are the relatives of criminals caught in the crossfire of criminal behavior.....

Vs..

2.4 million rapes, robberies and murders stopped by law abiding American gun owners, which over 22 years has led to a decrease in gun murder of 49%, a decrease in gun crime by 75%, and a decrease in violent crime of 72%......

Cars kill more people than all gun deaths in this country....

 

[2aguy]

The British didn't ban guns until 1997....that means up to that point the British citizens had pistols and other guns to use to murder each other.....

How many people were murdered with guns in 1973? 32
(Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999)


How many people were murdered with gun in 2017...32

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The British traded in their guns....and simply got the same gun murder rates as in 1973.....when British people were allowed to own guns in the first place.....

As we keep telling you...Britain had low gun murder before they banned guns..... now they have more gun crime after they banned guns...and their gun control laws haven't effected their gun murder rates....criminal behavior determines how many people they murder with the guns they have.....

5 < thousands

Gun murder in Britain 1973.... 32 people.

Gun murder in Britain 2017...32 people.

Their gun control laws did not change their gun murder rate....... it just made more victims of violent crime as their gun crime rate goes up, and their violent crime rate goes through the roof.....

 

[BULLDOG]

The British didn't ban guns until 1997....that means up to that point the British citizens had pistols and other guns to use to murder each other.....

How many people were murdered with guns in 1973? 32
(Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999)


How many people were murdered with gun in 2017...32

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The British traded in their guns....and simply got the same gun murder rates as in 1973.....when British people were allowed to own guns in the first place.....

As we keep telling you...Britain had low gun murder before they banned guns..... now they have more gun crime after they banned guns...and their gun control laws haven't effected their gun murder rates....criminal behavior determines how many people they murder with the guns they have.....

5 < thousands

Gun murder in Britain 1973.... 32 people.

Gun murder in Britain 2017...32 people.

Their gun control laws did not change their gun murder rate....... it just made more victims of violent crime as their gun crime rate goes up, and their violent crime rate goes through the roof.....

Wow --- 45 years and 10 million more people, and the exact same amount of gun murder. Somebody find out exactly what they are doing. We gotta do that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

5< thousands

2aguy lost this the second he posted the OP

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bulldog keeps tripping up 2aguy with his own words.

Gun free UK is far safer than the USA, has been forever.

Nothing has changed.

No it's not

The UK has three times as much crime per capita as the US
Twice as many assaults and twice as many rapes per capital than the US

 

[2aguy]

The British didn't ban guns until 1997....that means up to that point the British citizens had pistols and other guns to use to murder each other.....

How many people were murdered with guns in 1973? 32
(Page 19 research paper homicide statistics House of Commons
27, May 1999)


How many people were murdered with gun in 2017...32

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The British traded in their guns....and simply got the same gun murder rates as in 1973.....when British people were allowed to own guns in the first place.....

As we keep telling you...Britain had low gun murder before they banned guns..... now they have more gun crime after they banned guns...and their gun control laws haven't effected their gun murder rates....criminal behavior determines how many people they murder with the guns they have.....

5 < thousands

Gun murder in Britain 1973.... 32 people.

Gun murder in Britain 2017...32 people.

Their gun control laws did not change their gun murder rate....... it just made more victims of violent crime as their gun crime rate goes up, and their violent crime rate goes through the roof.....

Wow --- 45 years and 10 million more people, and the exact same amount of gun murder. Somebody find out exactly what they are doing. We gotta do that.

Their gun control laws didn't change anything.....in fact, they now have more gun crime than they did before...because their social welfare state can no longer civilize their young males, and they are importing violent, third world criminals.....

But keep lying.....their problem is not getting any better....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bulldog keeps tripping up 2aguy with his own words.

Gun free UK is far safer than the USA, has been forever.

Nothing has changed.

No it's not

The UK has three times as much crime per capita as the US
Twice as many assaults and twice as many rapes per capital than the US

We are talking about gun murder and death in the UK and the USA.

Keep up.

4 or5 < thousands

 

[Skull Pilot]

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

The murder rate has nothing to do with gun laws

The murder rate in the UK has been lower than the US as far back as I can look

It has nothing to do with their gun laws as I have told you the murder rate of the UK is higher than it was in the 1950's they started passing their gun laws in the 60's.

If gun laws reduce murder rates as you claim then why is the murder rate higher than it was before all the UK gun laws were passed?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bulldog keeps tripping up 2aguy with his own words.

Gun free UK is far safer than the USA, has been forever.

Nothing has changed.

No it's not

The UK has three times as much crime per capita as the US
Twice as many assaults and twice as many rapes per capital than the US

We are talking about gun murder and death in the UK and the USA.

Keep up.

4 or5 < thousands

You said the UK was safer

it's not

 

[Skull Pilot]

4 or 5 death increase in UK compare to 30000 thousand in the US.

2aguy always gets frustrated because he cannot get around these numbers with his NRA talking points.

Suicides don't count

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

The murder rate has nothing to do with gun laws

The murder rate in the UK has been lower than the US as far back as I can look

It has nothing to do with their gun laws as I have told you the murder rate of the UK is higher than it was in the 1950's they started passing their gun laws in the 60's.

If gun laws reduce murder rates as you claim then why is the murder rate higher than it was before all the UK gun laws were passed?

Can you name one thing that hasn't increased since 1950? Especially with 10 million more people.

 

[BULLDOG]

4 or 5 death increase in UK compare to 30000 thousand in the US.

2aguy always gets frustrated because he cannot get around these numbers with his NRA talking points.

Suicides don't count

They do for the dead person's family.