Man gunned down in broad daylight.....in gun free Britain...

[BULLDOG]

30 people are killed with guns PER DAY in the US. UK is still safer. Too bad for you.

No...it isn't.....gun crime is up, rape is up, violent crime is through the roof....

In the U.S., if you aren't a criminal, then your chances of being a victim of gun crime is tiny....of the 11,004 gun murders 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in criminal activity, located in tiny neighborhoods in democrat controlled cities....stay away from those places, and again, your chances of being a victim of crime are tiny.......

Our gun death rate is increasing every year. We have thousands. They have a hand full. We should copy them
Past Summary Ledgers | Gun Violence Archive
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Your death stats include suicides right?

Suicide is neither violent nor a crime

You don't think it is worthwhile to try to reduce those numbers?

Since the 1990s we have reduced our gun murder rate 49%, and our gun crime rate 75%..... our gun crime is now isolated in tiny areas in democrat voting districts where they keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail...

Meanwhile, in Britain, their gun crime rate was up 23% across England and Wales last year alone, and up 42% in just London.......

Up 23%? How many is that in real numbers? 4? 5?

 

[2aguy]

Sure, we've made attempt after attempt after attempt to reduce suicide numbers and instead of a reduction, suicide rates have increased.

Guns are not a requirement for suicide (note the two most recent celebrity suicides)

With 121 suicides per day, I doubt those two can be used as a gauge for anything.

Should I go back and dig out the links to the three suicides in which the individual didn't have access to a gun?

1. Suicidal young man jumped off an overpass killing himself and the woman driving below
2. Suicidal man drove his car the wrong way down the freeway killing himself and another innocent driver
3. Suicidal woman drives down freeway the wrong way, she survived, but killed seven people that got in her way

Because guns were not available 11 people died instead of 3. Nine of the eleven are not counted in the official suicide rate.

So what is your point? You want suicides to increase, or do you just want to control how they are done?

No, I wish no control, but what I pointed out, if you had given it any thought, is that we have tried to reduce the numbers and failed. By eliminating guns (one tool), suicidal people with simply find another, and sometimes that other tool or method would increase the overall body count.

Maybe.

So give us the number suiciding by other means because they could not get a gun.

They will be small in numbers.

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

 

[2aguy]

No...it isn't.....gun crime is up, rape is up, violent crime is through the roof....

In the U.S., if you aren't a criminal, then your chances of being a victim of gun crime is tiny....of the 11,004 gun murders 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in criminal activity, located in tiny neighborhoods in democrat controlled cities....stay away from those places, and again, your chances of being a victim of crime are tiny.......

Our gun death rate is increasing every year. We have thousands. They have a hand full. We should copy them
Past Summary Ledgers | Gun Violence Archive
View attachment 198600

Your death stats include suicides right?

Suicide is neither violent nor a crime

You don't think it is worthwhile to try to reduce those numbers?

Since the 1990s we have reduced our gun murder rate 49%, and our gun crime rate 75%..... our gun crime is now isolated in tiny areas in democrat voting districts where they keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail...

Meanwhile, in Britain, their gun crime rate was up 23% across England and Wales last year alone, and up 42% in just London.......

Up 23%? How many is that in real numbers? 4? 5?

In a country that banned and confiscated guns you tell us.....and that is just last year...... and in London it is up 42%....again, on an island that banned and confiscated guns....

While in the U.S.....? You have to explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Another shooting in the summer of the gun in Britain....

Man gunned down in broad daylight on Manchester street

A man was gunned down in broad daylight on a Manchester street, police said.

The victim, who was in his 30s, later died in hospital after the incident at around 5pm on Wednesday in Ashton-under-Lyne.

Two men, aged 29 and 32, have been arrested on suspicion of murder following armed raids by Greater Manchester Police, the force said.

30 people are killed with guns PER DAY in the US. UK is still safer. Too bad for you.

No...it isn't.....gun crime is up, rape is up, violent crime is through the roof....

In the U.S., if you aren't a criminal, then your chances of being a victim of gun crime is tiny....of the 11,004 gun murders 70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in criminal activity, located in tiny neighborhoods in democrat controlled cities....stay away from those places, and again, your chances of being a victim of crime are tiny.......

Our gun death rate is increasing every year. We have thousands. They have a hand full. We should copy them
Past Summary Ledgers | Gun Violence Archive
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The gun violence Archive lies...... it has been shown to lie over and over again......they make up the shootings.

Their murder rate is currently lower than our knife murder rate, our club murder rate and our empty hand murder rate....their gun crime, after they banned guns, is going up......they had an increase of 44% in their murder rate last year alone.....

You post bullshit stat after bullshit stat and now refuse to accept someone else's stats. You're a fool. Admit it.

Asshat....I used the CDC and the FBI...... he used the Gun violence Archive, a rabid, anti gun group that lies about the statistics....you are such a doofus.

 

[BULLDOG]

With 121 suicides per day, I doubt those two can be used as a gauge for anything.

Should I go back and dig out the links to the three suicides in which the individual didn't have access to a gun?

1. Suicidal young man jumped off an overpass killing himself and the woman driving below
2. Suicidal man drove his car the wrong way down the freeway killing himself and another innocent driver
3. Suicidal woman drives down freeway the wrong way, she survived, but killed seven people that got in her way

Because guns were not available 11 people died instead of 3. Nine of the eleven are not counted in the official suicide rate.

So what is your point? You want suicides to increase, or do you just want to control how they are done?

No, I wish no control, but what I pointed out, if you had given it any thought, is that we have tried to reduce the numbers and failed. By eliminating guns (one tool), suicidal people with simply find another, and sometimes that other tool or method would increase the overall body count.

Maybe.

So give us the number suiciding by other means because they could not get a gun.

They will be small in numbers.

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it

 

[2aguy]

Should I go back and dig out the links to the three suicides in which the individual didn't have access to a gun?

1. Suicidal young man jumped off an overpass killing himself and the woman driving below
2. Suicidal man drove his car the wrong way down the freeway killing himself and another innocent driver
3. Suicidal woman drives down freeway the wrong way, she survived, but killed seven people that got in her way

Because guns were not available 11 people died instead of 3. Nine of the eleven are not counted in the official suicide rate.

So what is your point? You want suicides to increase, or do you just want to control how they are done?

No, I wish no control, but what I pointed out, if you had given it any thought, is that we have tried to reduce the numbers and failed. By eliminating guns (one tool), suicidal people with simply find another, and sometimes that other tool or method would increase the overall body count.

Maybe.

So give us the number suiciding by other means because they could not get a gun.

They will be small in numbers.

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it
View attachment 198980

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bulldog keeps tripping up 2aguy with his own words.

Gun free UK is far safer than the USA, has been forever.

Nothing has changed.

 

[BULLDOG]

So what is your point? You want suicides to increase, or do you just want to control how they are done?

No, I wish no control, but what I pointed out, if you had given it any thought, is that we have tried to reduce the numbers and failed. By eliminating guns (one tool), suicidal people with simply find another, and sometimes that other tool or method would increase the overall body count.

Maybe.

So give us the number suiciding by other means because they could not get a gun.

They will be small in numbers.

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it
View attachment 198980

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

 

[2aguy]

Bulldog keeps tripping up 2aguy with his own words.

Gun free UK is far safer than the USA, has been forever.

Nothing has changed.

You don't follow British news, cupcake......violent crime is taking over England.....and gun violence on the increase is just the beginning.....

At the beginning of the gun debate in this country, you asshats said that if you got rid of guns, it would lead to lower murder because stabbing someone was too personal...so people wouldn't do it as much....Britain shows you don't even understand that.

Stabbings in Britain are leading the crime wave, and if someone finds they can easily put a knife in someone, a gun is going to be so much nicer for them....that is why gun crime is increasing in Britain, you doofus...

 

[2aguy]

No, I wish no control, but what I pointed out, if you had given it any thought, is that we have tried to reduce the numbers and failed. By eliminating guns (one tool), suicidal people with simply find another, and sometimes that other tool or method would increase the overall body count.

Maybe.

So give us the number suiciding by other means because they could not get a gun.

They will be small in numbers.

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it
View attachment 198980

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

 

[BULLDOG]

Maybe.

So give us the number suiciding by other means because they could not get a gun.

They will be small in numbers.

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it
View attachment 198980

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

 

[2aguy]

You mean except in countries with extreme gun control like Japan, China and Korea where their suicide numbers are larger than ours....and only criminals and cops can have guns in those countries......so, again, you don't know what you are talking about....and even in gun controlled Europe, many countries there also have higher suicide rates than we do.....

First....to show you have no idea what you are talking about...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


So...since you have no facts, and the truth is not on your side...what else do you have?

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it
View attachment 198980

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[BULLDOG]

Congratulations. You are this year's winner of the "CUT AND PASTE TROPHY" You earned it
View attachment 198980

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

 

[2aguy]

You have no argument.... you can't explain why British gun crime rates are going up after they banned and confiscated guns, and they are an island....you can't explain why American gun murder rates went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rates went down 72%...as more Americans own and carry guns...

you can't explain any of it, and it shows your entire argument for gun control has no basis in fact, truth or reality....

So you post that......you are a doofus....and a loser.

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't have to prove anything. The numbers speak for themselves. Their tiny increase that can usually be counted on one hand doesn't compare to the thousands we kill every month. We should copy them.

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

 

[2aguy]

If you want to copy them you better change our criminals, and to it fast....their society can no longer civilize their young males.......and the violence is going through the roof...

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[BULLDOG]

Calm down. Take a breath. Now, try to make a sane statement that makes sense. You're getting a little flakey.

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes, I've been told lots of stuff. It all comes down to you not being able to make 4 or 5 look like more than thousands. That's OK. I don't know anybody that could.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....you still have nothing, and you can't answer the basic question....

Explain this......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then, explain how the gun accidental death rate also went down....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes, I've been told lots of stuff. It all comes down to you not being able to make 4 or 5 look like more than thousands. That's OK. I don't know anybody that could.

You won't answer the question because you can't...

 

[BULLDOG]

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes, I've been told lots of stuff. It all comes down to you not being able to make 4 or 5 look like more than thousands. That's OK. I don't know anybody that could.

You won't answer the question because you can't...

You won't answer how 4 or 5 is more than thousands.

 

[BULLDOG]

Again. I don't have to explain anything. The numbers speak for themselves. We kill thousands. They kill a handfull. Less is better.

Yes...the numbers tell the truth..... you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and now you post every time to hide the truth....

How big was England's increase in gun deaths? 4? 5?

You have been told....it spiked for 10 years after the ban...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

And then returned to the same level as before the ban and confiscation.......showing the gun control did nothing for their gun murder rate.....and since gun crime is going up, it did nothing for their gun crime rate....

Explain that...


Then, you have to explain how as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down....so far, you can't explain it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes, I've been told lots of stuff. It all comes down to you not being able to make 4 or 5 look like more than thousands. That's OK. I don't know anybody that could.

You won't answer the question because you can't...

I have no desire to play number games with you
( 5 < thousands)
Come back when you can show that equasion to be false.