Lost my Pastor Today

[rightwinger]

If you do them!

Well, of course; I find that Christians usually do works, unless they're really old and/or handicapped in some way or other. Even then, they try to do something for others and/or the churches they're members of. Very enthusiastic volunteers to be found at churches for all kinds of projects.

I agree with you on that. I have more than done my share. Volunteer at Church for many things. Volunteer Fire Department. My whole family. That was hard work, but worth it. I have run Ice Cream Socials.( they make you President, you do the work.)

My last volunteer job was setting up,serving, baking Desserts for 40 to 50 Church Seniors.

For now I have stepped aside, but will do something.

Good for you

Oh,I enjoyed every minute. My old Church has a First Responders breakfast every year.

Go to an atheist gathering and all you find are fat people trading kiddie porn, and they can't even be bothered to throw their own cups, wrappers, and used butt plugs away.

I’m an atheist
Never been invited to one of those gatherings. Is there a secret handshake?

 

[zaangalewa]

True, the original fight against BC was because when the pill first came out they had many side effects, and the new ones are even worst.

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

 

[Picaro]

True, the original fight against BC was because when the pill first came out they had many side effects, and the new ones are even worst.

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Who said anything different? You think all sex requires getting pregnant? It doesn't, which is why it's silly to excuse murdering babies for merely being 'inconvenient'. Only sociopaths think it's okay.

 

[Picaro]

Well, of course; I find that Christians usually do works, unless they're really old and/or handicapped in some way or other. Even then, they try to do something for others and/or the churches they're members of. Very enthusiastic volunteers to be found at churches for all kinds of projects.

I agree with you on that. I have more than done my share. Volunteer at Church for many things. Volunteer Fire Department. My whole family. That was hard work, but worth it. I have run Ice Cream Socials.( they make you President, you do the work.)

My last volunteer job was setting up,serving, baking Desserts for 40 to 50 Church Seniors.

For now I have stepped aside, but will do something.

Good for you

Oh,I enjoyed every minute. My old Church has a First Responders breakfast every year.

Go to an atheist gathering and all you find are fat people trading kiddie porn, and they can't even be bothered to throw their own cups, wrappers, and used butt plugs away.

I’m an atheist
Never been invited to one of those gatherings. Is there a secret handshake?

lol now we know you're lying.

 

[zaangalewa]

Some where down the line it was decided Priests should not be married or have a family so he could tend his Flock.

Just another asinine,man made decision. We see how well it worked. Raped Children,etc. It is not normal. Martin Luther was right.

Having a family and raising children involves having sex which the Catholic Church considers necessary but kind of yucky.

?

That is why they still oppose birth control

The catholic church never opposed birth control. The catholic church is opposing some methods of birth control.

which allows sex without the possibility of children.
Recreational sex is a sin to the Catholic heirarchy

What is "recreational sex"? To use sex like a drug without to love the spouse?

True, the original fight against BC was because when the pill first came out they had many side effects, and the new ones are even worst.

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Condoms I do not agree with, but sterilization I do. Benedict ok'd condom use in 2010 to prevent the spread of disease. Should of been allowed much earlier.

A condom (extremely high profit!) never was constructed to be a protection against Aids. And who likes to get a baby has two ways to get for sure a baby: Do not use any form of birth control or use a condom. And I would really be interested how many people were infected with Aids because they believed in the very idiotic "safer sex" campaign. To use a condom is not save and not safer. To use a condom is just simple a little safer then to do nothing. It's better to use a condom, if someone is not to able to be abstinent - but it makes absolutely no sense to increase the sex rate with changing partners because someone trusts in condoms.

 

[Picaro]

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

 

[zaangalewa]

Having a family and raising children involves having sex which the Catholic Church considers necessary but kind of yucky.

?

That is why they still oppose birth control

The catholic church never opposed birth control. The catholic church is opposing some methods of birth control.

which allows sex without the possibility of children.
Recreational sex is a sin to the Catholic heirarchy

What is "recreational sex"? To use sex like a drug without to love the spouse?

True, the original fight against BC was because when the pill first came out they had many side effects, and the new ones are even worst.

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Birth control was never forbidden in the catholic church. It's now the third time I say this to you.

 

[rightwinger]

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Self control from what?

Rape is illegal, making love to your spouse is not

 

[rightwinger]

?

The catholic church never opposed birth control. The catholic church is opposing some methods of birth control.

What is "recreational sex"? To use sex like a drug without to love the spouse?

True, the original fight against BC was because when the pill first came out they had many side effects, and the new ones are even worst.

The church also opposed condoms and sterilization

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Birth control was never forbidden in the catholic church. It's now the third time I say this to you.

Third time you are wrong

Now, explain why the pill, condoms, IUDs are still banned by the church

 

[rightwinger]

Man made rules. I prefer to make my own. that is why you have a conscience.

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

 

[MaryAnne11]

Most Catholics rely on their own conscience and use birth control

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

 

[rightwinger]

Many rely on basic self-control, and don't need excuses or devices.

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

 

[MaryAnne11]

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

Normal people think,it is none of my business what people do in their bedroom.

 

[OnePercenter]

Perhaps you should become an agnostic and deal in problems/concerns that actually matter.

Religion bilks the ignorant.

And atheists, who don't know what agnosticism is, bilk the pseudognorants?

What is "pseudognorants?"

People who think in structures of a "knowledge" wich looks like knowledge but is not knowledge.

That would be cognitive.

Use the expressions "wrong-knower" of "negative-knower" if you still have a problem to find the category. This what Yoda called "You have to unlearn, what you learned". It's normally better not to know than wrong to know. The English speaking world creates a lot of pseudo-knowledge. "Knowledge" which is pure opinion or ideology and has not a lot to do with perception, philosophy, logic and experience. Take the word "marriage" as an example: "Same sex marriage" is a contradiction. It's pseudo-knowledge to think a same sex marriage is the same as a marriage. The difference? Under natural conditions married people are able to have children with each other. In same sex marriages one of the both sexes has to be replaced with artificial structures if they like to have a baby together. And this opens a wide way for child trafficking and woman trafficking. I do not say with this words that people who have the same sex should not "marry" each other. But in my universal view I am sad about the ways of your society, which grows to be more and more aggressive year by year by year ...

Same-sex marriage isn't a contradiction, it's a label to identify a legal marriage vs. a religious marriage.

Thanks to religious zealots, the world society is getting more and more violent.

 

[OnePercenter]

Married people should have sex any time they wish
Abstinence is archaic

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

It's money. Less people to fill the coffers.

Same reason there are two Catholic churches on the Vegas strip. Gaming, guilt, gaming chips in the guilt plate.

‘Chip Monk’ cashes in chips for the church

 

[MaryAnne11]

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

It's money. Less people to fill the coffers.

Same reason there are two Catholic churches on the Vegas strip. Gaming, guilt, gaming chips in the guilt plate.

‘Chip Monk’ cashes in chips for the church

I really wish I could argue with you. Unfortunately you are right. Gambling has always been fine in the Catholic Churches. I can remember the bingo games, drunken dances that took place at my Relatives Catholic Church when I was a child. Even witnessed one drunk kill another. They were fighting, one hit his head on a log.

That is my memory of Saint Peters Catholic Church.

 

[Picaro]

I really wish I could argue with you. Unfortunately you are right. Gambling has always been fine in the Catholic Churches. I can remember the bingo games, drunken dances that took place at my Relatives Catholic Church when I was a child. Even witnessed one drunk kill another. They were fighting, one hit his head on a log.

That is my memory of Saint Peters Catholic Church.

Not that exclusive to Catholics. A lot of people claim to be Christian, and even attend services often, but at heart they're still pagans who are just trying to 'cover their bases' so to speak.

And, Jesus ran with a tough crowd himself; not at all surprising when you realize it is the tough crowds who will understand the best what his ministry was all about, not the effete and wimpy and self-satisfied.

 

[Picaro]

Self-control is archaic? That's why the US-prisons are more than full of people with an exorbitant criminal high self-control? But let me inform you, bachelor: Who is not able to be abstinent (specially in case of all drugs including alcohol and sex) should not marry. There's no freedom and no happiness without self-control. And in general I'm asking myself sometimes how some modern forms of "emancipation" degrade women to sex objects and working slaves, who have to follow rules which are made from men for men.

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

It's money. Less people to fill the coffers.

Same reason there are two Catholic churches on the Vegas strip. Gaming, guilt, gaming chips in the guilt plate.

‘Chip Monk’ cashes in chips for the church

Actually there is hardly any money in it. Most life long pastors make less than a homeless beggar does, the vast majority of them make nothing. You whining cry babies need to find a new gimmick to smear them with; that one is easily proven to be utter BS.

 

[MaryAnne11]

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

It's money. Less people to fill the coffers.

Same reason there are two Catholic churches on the Vegas strip. Gaming, guilt, gaming chips in the guilt plate.

‘Chip Monk’ cashes in chips for the church

Actually there is hardly any money in it. Most life long pastors make less than a homeless beggar does, the vast majority of them make nothing. You whining cry babies need to find a new gimmick to smear them with; that one is easily proven to be utter BS.

I never mentioned Pastors wages. Gladly give my share.

My comments have all been about Crooks like Hobby Lobby being so hypocritical about not wanting to pay for birth control because it goes against their faith but dopiest not give a thought to smuggling thousands of dollars worth of Iraq artifacts marked Tiles to sell here in their stores.

I also spoke of the drunkenness and gambling I witnessed as a small child.

If you consider that whining you can go stuff your thoughts you know where.

 

[OnePercenter]

Well, we now have the irony of the 'progressive' left suddenly admitting what the 'backward religious people' have been pointing out all along, that mindless self-indulgence is destroying the culture, kids getting their ideas about sex from pornographers isn't nearly as grand as they used to claim it was, chronic dope use is another desensitization problem adding to the general desensitizing of society, turning both kids and adults into psycho animals, and not at all the kind of culture hippies kept telling us they will create for us, that was allegedly going to be so much better and more free n stuff. Despite the obvious failure, many of the mentally ill deviants want even more of that.

Once again

Catholics fall on “sex is yucky”

Men made this rule in the Church. Another way to control.

How about Hobby Lobby fighting paying for birth control because it is against their beliefs.

Yet they stole and had to return thousands of Atrifacts to Iraq. Those items came in marked Tile!

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2017/07/06/hobby-lobby-artifacts/

Where was their faith then?

Never understood the religious objection to birth control

Seems to be centered on the couples to have sex without worrying about children. Recreational sex is somehow sinful

It's money. Less people to fill the coffers.

Same reason there are two Catholic churches on the Vegas strip. Gaming, guilt, gaming chips in the guilt plate.

‘Chip Monk’ cashes in chips for the church

Actually there is hardly any money in it. Most life long pastors make less than a homeless beggar does, the vast majority of them make nothing. You whining cry babies need to find a new gimmick to smear them with; that one is easily proven to be utter BS.

But, but, but, free rent, free utilities, free food, free car, and depending on the denomination, no taxes. My former wife's cousin is a nun. She is the principal of the families investments which include investment property. She officially makes no money, thus the investments pay no taxes.