Let's Talk About Republican Tax Plans

[Campbell]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Cleveland Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3: Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you checked out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

 

[Mac1958]

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get.

Fortunately there's very little chance that a flat tax will happen; a VAT is possible, I suppose.

The party is essentially under the control of people who will knee-jerk against any taxes at any time, giving the Democrats a wide open field to make their case for government.
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[kaz]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Mayo Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3:Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you check out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

you don't know what you are talking about

 

[Campbell]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Mayo Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3:Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you check out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Oh! I forgot...most Republicans can't even read effectively. I'll define "epistle" for you:

"A literary composition in the form of a letter"

 

[kaz]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Mayo Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3:Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you check out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

 

[Campbell]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Mayo Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3:Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you check out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

 

[kaz]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Mayo Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3:Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you check out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

 

[bedowin62]

i'm always amused by left-wing idiots using the parameter of "all taxes" paid when in reality the state, local and sales taxes left-wingers are including are to a large degree much higher in Blue states. The Left wants to try to beat the Right over the head with taxes THE LEFT PLACED ON WORKING-CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE in their Blue states.

idiots and hypocrites

 

[Campbell]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Mayo Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3:Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you check out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[kaz]

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

Republicans get stuck on repeating your idiotic points, don't you?

What you wrote was leftist propaganda. Stop doing your economic research on crooks and liars

 

[bedowin62]

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

i replied directly on your original premise leftard. so what's up?

oh and your Harvard community activist isnt doing so well compared to "C" student that came before him

keep trying

 

[LordBrownTrout]

you don't know what you are talking about

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

Kerry's gpa was even lower than bush'. And of course, O never released his grades. Without his teleprompter, he usually struggles and grasps for words. Dude is probably dumber than horseshit.

 

[Campbell]

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

Republicans get stuck on repeating your idiotic points, don't you?

What you wrote was leftist propaganda. Stop doing your economic research on crooks and liars

If you slow down and analyze it the thing is not too complicated......respond to one precise statement I made in my original post.

 

[kaz]

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

Kerry's gpa was even lower than bush'. And of course, O never released his grades. Without his teleprompter, he usually struggles and grasps for words. Dude is probably dumber than horseshit.

yes, like corpse man, that was classic

 

[kaz]

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

Republicans get stuck on repeating your idiotic points, don't you?

What you wrote was leftist propaganda. Stop doing your economic research on crooks and liars

If you slow down and analyze it the thing is not too complicated......respond to one precise statement I made in my original post.

Complicated? You thought it was complicated? It's complete simpleton. Being a load of politically motivated crap is obvious, there's nothing complex about it at all. It just makes zero economic sense, but leftists never do

 

[bedowin62]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Cleveland Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3: Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you checked out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

i will respond to your comments directly:

in the first paragraph you make a comment about a flat tax would allow people to fire their accountants and tax lawyers. So you admit it simplifies the system but that is still a bad thing to you? YOu also whine that it would lower their tax burden but dont say how; and dont say how it would harm the rest of working people

 

[bedowin62]

First you have Grover Norquist who has vowed to attend a meeting at the guillotine before he'll tolerate any type of additional tax on the rich. Then you have several Republicans who are adamant about a flat tax. Of course the rich folks would love to see a flat tax because they would automatically see a total annual tax amount at around half of what they are paying now and they could fire their tax lawyers and accountants.

Now the most asinine idea of all of them is Mike Huckabee's national sales tax. Now brother....anybody who falls for this one needs an extensive examination of their brain at the Cleveland Clinic. Poor folks spend all their money and the rich might spend half of their million dollars a year...plus they have a choice about whether or not to buy another yacht or keep using the 2010 model.

What none of them want to discuss is that the poor folks are already paying the highest percentage rates when all taxes are considered vs their total expendable income. At the end of the month there's nothing remaining so that means 100% of their income was taxed or subjected to fees of one kind or another.

1: State Income Taxes(not in all states but in many)
2: Payroll taxes( if they're working and everybody is honest this gets paid every pay period.)
3: Sales tax.....since the poor spend everything nearly all of it is subject to a sales tax.
4: Gasoline tax....trivial to a rich man, considerable to the family barely getting by
5: Vendor tax....always passed along to the consumer
6: Property tax....if one is lucky enough to own a home. Otherwise they rent. Rent includes all expenses the owner has whether maintenance or his own taxes, plus a profit.
7: Federal excise tax....excise taxes are usually included in the price of the product. It's the tax on automobile tires and other activities such as highway usage by trucks

Then there's fees...ever notice those little add ons when you're looking at your phone or power bill. There's always a dollar or two.

Even automobile registration is a tax. The state and county collect that.

One thing is for certain. Any tax which is imposed on a manufacturer's product or service is passed along to the buyer.....it's called bottom line profit.

Any thing a common man enjoys, fishing hunting, camping, boating, travel etc. subjects his/her family to more taxes. Ever notice the fees and taxes on the bill you paid when you checked out of a hotel or motel?

If any common man falls for the idea that a flat tax or national sales tax is good they deserve what they get. If the average citizens weren't getting the short end you can bet the Republicans wouldn't be advocating it.

In your second paragraph you made a whining point about rich people buying yachts; yet you dont even realize the implications of what you're saying. Yes rich people CAN decide when to buy or not to buy a yacht. You dont seem to realize that rich people dont MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN YACHTS. they are made by carpenters, and welders and electricians and such. you know good ol American workers

 

[Campbell]

i'm always amused by left-wing idiots using the parameter of "all taxes" paid when in reality the state, local and sales taxes left-wingers are including are to a large degree much higher in Blue states. The Left wants to try to beat the Right over the head with taxes THE LEFT PLACED ON WORKING-CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE in their Blue states.

idiots and hypocrites

You're so full of schit that you stink. This country was successful when the richest of us paid their fair share. Now....after massive tax cuts by Reagan and follow ups by other Republican administrations we're fucked. 80% of all the debt in this country was brought upon us by Republican tax cuts for the wealthy.....beginning with the converted Democrat Ronald Reagan:

.................................Total U S Debt.......................................


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)


09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)


09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32


09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16


09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)


09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)


09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)(President Clinton raised tax rates while he still had a Democrat congress)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00


09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)


09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Campbell]

LMAO!!!! That's easy for you to say....I spent over an hour researching stats for that epistle and you drop it like a used condom. Typical Republican.

Yes, you are a typical Republican. All bluster and no content.

As for research, you should have researched economics instead of politics

Are You Nuts???

Me A Republican????

You're more like them than I am and you called me one. You demand we have one in the conversation, so it's you , sport

One thing I'll grant you......most Republicans are squirrel up a tree nuts and you are definitely, without question on target for that category!!

I suppose that you realize that so far you have not responded to a single line or statement from my original post....I'll give ten to one odds you were a C student in high school. WOAH HERE....you might be in line to become president of the U S. George W. Bush was never anything more than a C student and look at what he got for us....a wrecked economy and an unnecessary war. Not necessarily in that order.

Kerry's gpa was even lower than bush'. And of course, O never released his grades. Without his teleprompter, he usually struggles and grasps for words. Dude is probably dumber than horseshit.

One little caveat......Kerry was never president of the U S. He never dodged the draft. He never declared an unnecessary war which cost the country 4500 young Americans and got another 35,000 seriously wounded. George W.Bush was an ignoramus with personal motivation because of Saddam Hussein's attempt to assassinate his daddy in QATAR in 1993. Oh well.....all those dedicated young folks died for a good cause.........according to him:

According to ol' George W. the war was over before it started:

 

[bedowin62]

i'm always amused by left-wing idiots using the parameter of "all taxes" paid when in reality the state, local and sales taxes left-wingers are including are to a large degree much higher in Blue states. The Left wants to try to beat the Right over the head with taxes THE LEFT PLACED ON WORKING-CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE in their Blue states.

idiots and hypocrites

You're so full of schit that you stink. This country was successful when the richest of us paid their fair share. Now....after massive tax cuts by Reagan and follow ups by other Republican administrations we're fucked. 80% of all the debt in this country was brought upon us by Republican tax cuts for the wealthy.....beginning with the converted Democrat Ronald Reagan:

.................................Total U S Debt.......................................


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)


09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)


09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32


09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16


09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)


09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)


09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)(President Clinton raised tax rates while he still had a Democrat congress)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00


09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)


09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

the only one full of shit is you moron. i made a comment about the tax levels of local and state taxes BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED IT IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST. then YOU CRIED LIKE A BABY THAT OTHERS WERE IGNORING YOUR OP.

so what did you do above^^^^^^??????????????
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posted a huge chart concerning FEDERAL tax rates and completely IGNORED WHAT I POSTED

you are nothing but the typical paid-to-post brainwashed loon; a shill for GEORGE SOROS