Let's Look Into the 527's-Ummm, Yah!

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    This would be great, but perhaps hubris has not entirely taken over the major media and DNC? Links are at site:

    http://instapundit.com/archives/017356.php

     
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    Kerry and Bush both supported the Mccain Feingold act and are both now working with other organizations to fund their message. both should be condemned for supporting that horrible act, but not for associating with others in an effort to exercise free speech.
     
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    Reported by O'Reilly today:

    Soros - $13 million contribution to 527s.

    Jane Fonda - $13 million contribution to 527s.

    Numerous other large contributors to Democrat-friendly 527s more than doubled the amounts donated by Soros and Fonda.

    Now all this time Republicans have been sucking it up and accepting that these are the rules and this is the way the game is played.

    Then along comes the SBVFT and their paltry $200,000 (approx) and suddenly the left sounds like a pack of cats in heat.

    Must have struck a nerve - ya reckon?
     
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    Agreed. There is a huge amount of bitching about the alleged loss of civil liberties to the Patriot Act, yet no one can document that any such thing has actually accurred.

    But the McCain-Feingold bill is a travesty. It is the single most despicable assault on the first amendment ever undertaken. If the founding fathers were here today, they would be loading their muskets.
     
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    If the original intent was to take money out of politics, then it may have been a somewhat noble idea. As always the devil is in the details. Looks like McCain-Feelgood had an undesired effect. Isn't politics so clean now? :piss2:
     
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    The original campaign reform following watergate was just as bad if not worse.
     
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    I fail to see how that is noble. Politics is all about the spread of ideas and the debate of ideas. Money facilitates that. The less money in politicis, the less debating and spreading of ideas there is. Everyone loses except those who would rather the populace not discuss ideas.


    The upsetting thing is that even though it was undesired, it certainly was not unforseen.

    Travis
     
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    Not in my opinion. McCain-Feingold was the first bill designed to prevent individual Americans from voicing their opinions freely. If the people who crafted this bill had any sense at all, they would have limited the amount of money any individual can spend in support of a candidate. But, as usual, the law was written so that fat cat donors could funnel money to the campaigns by one means or another.

    McCain-Feingold is nothing more than window dressing, it is a shell game designed to allow those that sponsored it to crow about their desire to reform campaign finances. It does nothing of the sort. Unfortunately its ultimate effect is to restrict free speech.
     
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    Let me try again. The system is broken. Take the billions of dollars out of political campaigns and make the candidates run on their merits. If all candidates start out on an equal footing, doesn't that help staunch the flow of special interest money? How is your third party candidate able to get equal footing when he's up against the big money machines of the 2 major parties?
     
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    The original campaign reform prevented people from donating certain amounts to certain groups as well.

    It is written in a way that anyone can give more than the restrictive amount that is allowed by funneling it through other organizations. It is not just fat cats funnelling it.

    No law will be able to stop people from spending money on campaigns. People will find a way around any law that limits thier spending on expressing themselves politically. Even an outright ban on all political advertsising would not stop em from happening. laws against victimless behavior never stops the behavior.


    I think it was more than that. I think the creators knew exactly what it did. It helps republicans and democrats stay in power at the expense of third parties. As messed up as all this stuff about the kerry and bush is, it is nothing compared to what the effect this law has on third parties.

    There is a great site about that very thing at www.realcampaignreform.org


    I recomend looking at this page in particular http://www.realcampaignreform.org/articles_and_essays.htm
     

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