Let's Hear It For America's (Liberal) Educators!

[Correll]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

 

[regent]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

If men are flawed that does not mean that improvement cannot take place. More- perfect does not mean perfect. One of the boons to capitalism is that improvements can and do take place. Were we to have perfection that would mean the end of many products, the search for a better way has been taking place since Neanderthal chipped a stone tool.

 

[regent]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

 

[regent]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

If men are flawed that does not mean that improvement cannot take place. More- perfect does not mean perfect. One of the boons to capitalism is that improvements can and do take place. Were we to have perfection that would mean the end of many products, the search for a better way has been taking place since Neanderthal chipped a stone tool.

Are you playing dumb...or actually uneducated?

'Fess up.

1. Progressives believe that human nature is malleable, and the 'correct' laws and government will produce nirvana.

a. “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198


2. The Founders knew that human nature is eternal, and required checks and balances to restrict corruption.

a. Indeed, at the heart of American liberal democratic thought as expressed in The Federalist Papers is the idea that human nature is neither perfect nor perfectible and, hence, checks and balances are needed for both the governors and the governed.
As James Madison puts it in Federalist 51 "It may be a reflection on human nature that such devices [checks and balances] should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither internal nor external controls on government would be necessary."

 

[regent]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

If men are flawed that does not mean that improvement cannot take place. More- perfect does not mean perfect. One of the boons to capitalism is that improvements can and do take place. Were we to have perfection that would mean the end of many products, the search for a better way has been taking place since Neanderthal chipped a stone tool.

Are you playing dumb...or actually uneducated?

'Fess up.

1. Progressives believe that human nature is malleable, and the 'correct' laws and government will produce nirvana.

a. “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198


2. The Founders knew that human nature is eternal, and required checks and balances to restrict corruption.

a. Indeed, at the heart of American liberal democratic thought as expressed in The Federalist Papers is the idea that human nature is neither perfect nor perfectible and, hence, checks and balances are needed for both the governors and the governed.
As James Madison puts it in Federalist 51 "It may be a reflection on human nature that such devices [checks and balances] should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither internal nor external controls on government would be necessary."

So mankind is changeable? Remember from your bio days we are products of our heredity and our environment. We are not punched out of a people machine. We change with environment, age and numerous other factors. If we cannot change and taught, why would parents spend years trying to train their children to be just like them? Then the damn schools come along and teach the kids to see different methods, different values, different lots of things.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

If men are flawed that does not mean that improvement cannot take place. More- perfect does not mean perfect. One of the boons to capitalism is that improvements can and do take place. Were we to have perfection that would mean the end of many products, the search for a better way has been taking place since Neanderthal chipped a stone tool.

Are you playing dumb...or actually uneducated?

'Fess up.

1. Progressives believe that human nature is malleable, and the 'correct' laws and government will produce nirvana.

a. “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198


2. The Founders knew that human nature is eternal, and required checks and balances to restrict corruption.

a. Indeed, at the heart of American liberal democratic thought as expressed in The Federalist Papers is the idea that human nature is neither perfect nor perfectible and, hence, checks and balances are needed for both the governors and the governed.
As James Madison puts it in Federalist 51 "It may be a reflection on human nature that such devices [checks and balances] should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither internal nor external controls on government would be necessary."

So mankind is changeable? Remember from your bio days we are products of our heredity and our environment. We are not punched out of a people machine. We change with environment, age and numerous other factors. If we cannot change and taught, why would parents spend years trying to train their children to be just like them? Then the damn schools come along and teach the kids to see different methods, different values, different lots of things.

"So mankind is changeable?"

Are you saying that I claimed so?????

Clearly, not.

You Leftists are the ones who believe so, and that is the basis of Progressive indoctrination.
No....human nature is as the Founders claimed: eternal.
It is only via checks and balances....that personal aggrandizement can be limited.


That's why we no on the right indict a President who claims the rights that the Constitution gives to the Congress.
Checks and balances.

 

[Correll]

It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts. They believe It's all been done, and we should leave well enough alone. Liberals want to keep the thinking process going, new ideas, new concepts, better lives, better economic systems, better people, better governments and on and on. The problem seems to be that some cannot help doing the thinking stuff and so the conflict goes on.

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

If men are flawed that does not mean that improvement cannot take place. More- perfect does not mean perfect. One of the boons to capitalism is that improvements can and do take place. Were we to have perfection that would mean the end of many products, the search for a better way has been taking place since Neanderthal chipped a stone tool.

I'm not sure how that addresses what I said.

THe Founders were not trying to improve men, but government.

They were not leftist.

 

[Correll]

"It's that "thinking" stuff that drives conservatives nuts"

What a hypocrite!

You're the dope who regularly responds to linked,documented, sourced facts with the same dopey line 'you better hurry up and tell all the historians.'



You've proven once again, anytime you want to know what Leftists are doing, just see what they blame the other side for.

Untold death and suffering have been caused by the leftist belief that they can 'make' people perfect through social, political, and personal engineering - whether the "ignorant masses" want it or not. For their own good, of course...

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

 

[regent]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

I don't think our founders or framers were trying to make anyone perfect, but perhaps more-perfect, as they explained the new government in the preamble.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

 

[Unkotare]

If men are flawed that does not mean that improvement cannot take place. ..

And 'the state' must fix them, right?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

The issue is not behavior.....

...it is human nature.

It is indelible.

Leftists believe it is changeable ....
1. The Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


2. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


3. In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html



Religion is a mechanism which gives one the resolve to control one's own behavior....without the state, without force.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I'd pick the time frame at about two generations since the Left, Liberalism, Inc., has assumed total control of the American education industry......

...and since then we've witnessed American student's scores on international tests plummet.

Depressing, huh?

One Liberal plan after another....from self-esteem movement, to the 'mastery' movement, to discipline protocols based on skin-color.....
...abject failures all.

But no longer!

American (Liberal) educators have finally found a way to raise student's scores!
Finally......an endeavor that works! It works with every ethnicity....every age....every ability!




There is one teeny-weeny problem......



1. "11 former Atlanta educators convicted in cheating scandal

2. ATLANTA (AP) — In one of the biggest cheating scandals of its kind in the U.S., ... public school educators were convicted Wednesday of racketeering for their role in a scheme to inflate students' scores on standardized exams.

3. ... teachers, a principal and other administrators, were accused of falsifying test results to collect bonuses or keep their jobs in the 50,000-student Atlanta school system.

4. The racketeering charges carry up to 20 years in prison.

5. .... absolutely the biggest development in American education law since forever," said University of Georgia law professor Ron Carlson.

6. ....as far back as 2005, educators fed answers to students or erased and changed answers on tests after they were turned in. Evidence of cheating was found in 44 schools with nearly 180 educators involved, and teachers who tried to report it were threatened with retaliation.




7. Similar cheating scandals have erupted in Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., Nevada and other public school systems around the country in recent years,...."
11 former Atlanta educators convicted in cheating scandal - Yahoo News



On the bright side....
.....what better way to produce reliable Democrat voters?

You write any positive threads or is everything crap in your eyes?

 

[Correll]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

Our founders were not leftists. And they were trying to make a "more perfect union" not more perfect people.

Their belief in the basic flawed nature of Men is why they set up the 3 branches of Government, and the Separation of Powers.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

You completely ignored my question regarding one of the major progressive advances of the Age of Enlightenment, which you brought up.

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?


THe normal liberal answer is at odds with the tenants of the Age of Enlightenment, which shows how far the modern "liberal" is from the classic definition of the word.

It is quite revealing that you dodged that question and retreated to simple repetition of your position as an "answer".

 

[Abishai100]

Applicious Avatars


When we think about the introduction of multi-tasking media in the classroom (i.e., videos, audiobooks, computers, etc.), how thorough are we in assessing the impact of technology on liberal education?

How do liberals feel about the relevant Hollywood (USA) movie "Inspector Gadget" (1999)?

The colorful A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) fantasy franchise (cartoons, toys, movies) Transformers (Hasbro) presents various super-intelligent robots such as Skyfire (a heroic airplane robot) and Cyclonus (an evil jet-fighter robot) who represent 'IQ anxieties.'

How do such art avatars reflect real world concerns about technology and intelligence enhancements?

How do we use such avatars to critique education, liberalism, and of course, liberal education?





Artificial Intelligence

 

[regent]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

You completely ignored my question regarding one of the major progressive advances of the Age of Enlightenment, which you brought up.

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?


THe normal liberal answer is at odds with the tenants of the Age of Enlightenment, which shows how far the modern "liberal" is from the classic definition of the word.

It is quite revealing that you dodged that question and retreated to simple repetition of your position as an "answer".

You can have anyone or anything you want to grant us our rights but it takes force to maintain the rights. Liberals and conservatives change their methods to implement their philosophy and those methods are often mistaken as part of the philosophy but are not. There are some core beliefs to both liberalism and conservatism.

 

[Correll]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

Liberals????


There are several incorrigible liars who insist that the Founders were of the same mentality as those we call 'liberals.'

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Those known as Liberals today,actually the group called Socialists until communist John Dewey had them steal the name 'Liberal,' which was the very opposite of the founders.....Classical Liberals, or what we call conservatives, today.

Modern Liberals desire collectivism, socialist economic dominance, and unlimited, overreaching government.


Classical Liberals, conservatives, the Founders, aimed at a government based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Don't make that mistake again.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

You completely ignored my question regarding one of the major progressive advances of the Age of Enlightenment, which you brought up.

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?


THe normal liberal answer is at odds with the tenants of the Age of Enlightenment, which shows how far the modern "liberal" is from the classic definition of the word.

It is quite revealing that you dodged that question and retreated to simple repetition of your position as an "answer".

You can have anyone or anything you want to grant us our rights but it takes force to maintain the rights. Liberals and conservatives change their methods to implement their philosophy and those methods are often mistaken as part of the philosophy but are not. There are some core beliefs to both liberalism and conservatism.

YOu are the one that brought up the Age of Enlightenment, in order to claim the Founding Fathers as "liberals".

This is not a question of methods but one of philosophy, and I am trying to show you how your modern "liberal" philosophy does NOT match that of the Founding Fathers, but modern conservatives do.

The Founding Fathers, operating from a philosophy rooted in the Age of Enlightenment, as you pointed out, put forth in their Declaration of Independence their philosophical belief that the Rights of Men are granted to us all by God.

This is the modern conservative viewpoint also.

THe modern "Liberal" viewpoint, that they come from the State, an admission which you have been avoiding admitting, actually harkens back to the MIddle Ages, with the Divine Right of Kings.

Thus we see conservatives trying to "conserve" the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment, while you libs are trying to turn the clock back to the Medieval Period.

We might not be "Progressive" but you are certainly extremely reactionary.

 

[regent]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

Don't tell me, tell MacArthur, he said it, but I agree with him. The Constitution was created in the Age of Enlightenment, and was pretty daring at the time. But not too worry, Americans have made it even more liberal over the years, freeing the slaves, giving the vote to women, Social Security, Obama-care, the list goes on and on. Think of what the list will look like in another 100 years. Scary, eh?

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

You completely ignored my question regarding one of the major progressive advances of the Age of Enlightenment, which you brought up.

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?


THe normal liberal answer is at odds with the tenants of the Age of Enlightenment, which shows how far the modern "liberal" is from the classic definition of the word.

It is quite revealing that you dodged that question and retreated to simple repetition of your position as an "answer".

You can have anyone or anything you want to grant us our rights but it takes force to maintain the rights. Liberals and conservatives change their methods to implement their philosophy and those methods are often mistaken as part of the philosophy but are not. There are some core beliefs to both liberalism and conservatism.

YOu are the one that brought up the Age of Enlightenment, in order to claim the Founding Fathers as "liberals".

This is not a question of methods but one of philosophy, and I am trying to show you how your modern "liberal" philosophy does NOT match that of the Founding Fathers, but modern conservatives do.

The Founding Fathers, operating from a philosophy rooted in the Age of Enlightenment, as you pointed out, put forth in their Declaration of Independence their philosophical belief that the Rights of Men are granted to us all by God.

This is the modern conservative viewpoint also.

THe modern "Liberal" viewpoint, that they come from the State, an admission which you have been avoiding admitting, actually harkens back to the MIddle Ages, with the Divine Right of Kings.

Thus we see conservatives trying to "conserve" the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment, while you libs are trying to turn the clock back to the Medieval Period.

We might not be "Progressive" but you are certainly extremely reactionary.

Perhaps conservatives have finally caught up to the Age of Enlightenment, but the liberals have since moved on. As I have mentioned there are core beliefs to political ideologies but the means to achieve these core beliefs change. Have any idea what a core belief of conservatism might be and how the means to implement that core belief has changed?

 

[Correll]

Man's behavior while not perfect or perfective does not mean behavior does not and cannot change.

Yes, the Age of Enlightenment, which has nothing to do with modern liberalism.

For example...

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?

You completely ignored my question regarding one of the major progressive advances of the Age of Enlightenment, which you brought up.

Do you believe our rights are granted to us by God, or by the State?


THe normal liberal answer is at odds with the tenants of the Age of Enlightenment, which shows how far the modern "liberal" is from the classic definition of the word.

It is quite revealing that you dodged that question and retreated to simple repetition of your position as an "answer".

You can have anyone or anything you want to grant us our rights but it takes force to maintain the rights. Liberals and conservatives change their methods to implement their philosophy and those methods are often mistaken as part of the philosophy but are not. There are some core beliefs to both liberalism and conservatism.

YOu are the one that brought up the Age of Enlightenment, in order to claim the Founding Fathers as "liberals".

This is not a question of methods but one of philosophy, and I am trying to show you how your modern "liberal" philosophy does NOT match that of the Founding Fathers, but modern conservatives do.

The Founding Fathers, operating from a philosophy rooted in the Age of Enlightenment, as you pointed out, put forth in their Declaration of Independence their philosophical belief that the Rights of Men are granted to us all by God.

This is the modern conservative viewpoint also.

THe modern "Liberal" viewpoint, that they come from the State, an admission which you have been avoiding admitting, actually harkens back to the MIddle Ages, with the Divine Right of Kings.

Thus we see conservatives trying to "conserve" the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment, while you libs are trying to turn the clock back to the Medieval Period.

We might not be "Progressive" but you are certainly extremely reactionary.

Perhaps conservatives have finally caught up to the Age of Enlightenment, but the liberals have since moved on. As I have mentioned there are core beliefs to political ideologies but the means to achieve these core beliefs change. Have any idea what a core belief of conservatism might be and how the means to implement that core belief has changed?

How is denying the innate nature of Human Rights, "moving on" instead of moving backwards?

The idea that Rights are innate or God Given, is a core belief of US conservatism, and it has not changed. How might our methods of changed?

Mmm, more lawsuits brought under anti-discrimination laws, such as the New Haven FIre Fighter case.

But the move of liberals to reject that idea, and to make the State the grantor of those rights?

That is a change in the Core Beliefs of liberals.

Ever read the UN Declaration of Human Rights?