Let us get this budget surplus and deficit stuff straight once and for all

[G.T.]

I cannot imagine anyone saying this country is better now than it was it was when he took office and why anyone would think his performance has been acceptable
This is about performance

It's not better than when he took office, and he's not performed acceptibly.

But that doesn't mean that Rabbi gets to blow his own set of facts out his ass.

There weren't more job losses in 2001 than 2008. That's just flat out loony talk.

LOL YOU FAILED MATH DIDNT YOU?


This from the party that says taking more means you have more.


DUFUS...........

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/

 

[JRK]

You are dumbest fuck on this board. Seriously, where is your pride?

Translation: I have nothing to refute this argument. The facts are the facts.

You were proven wrong yesterday. We don't have to get you to admit it, in fact,

the best part of winning an argument is when the loser refuses to admit it.

What amazes me is your trying to make what BHO and those who are in lockstep with him look good by making others look bad
Thats desperation

See I can safely say from 01-08 we added 6 million jobs to the economy and our overall deficit out of pocket was the same in 8 as we face today in about 2. this would also include the Iraq war being all but over today
those 6 million jobs are gone now

Its just information, thats all

Jobs

2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

Debt
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

 

[G.T.]

Translation: I have nothing to refute this argument. The facts are the facts.

You were proven wrong yesterday. We don't have to get you to admit it, in fact,

the best part of winning an argument is when the loser refuses to admit it.

What amazes me is your trying to make what BHO and those who are in lockstep with him look good by making others look bad
Thats desperation

See I can safely say from 01-08 we added 6 million jobs to the economy and our overall deficit out of pocket was the same in 8 as we face today in about 2. this would also include the Iraq war being all but over today
those 6 million jobs are gone now

Its just information, thats all

Jobs

2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

Debt
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

You're not arguing the same point.

Rabbi said 2001 had more job losses than 2008.

He was wrong.

He fails to man-up to that fact.

That is all.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009

 

[The Rabbi]

You were proven wrong yesterday. We don't have to get you to admit it, in fact,

the best part of winning an argument is when the loser refuses to admit it.

What amazes me is your trying to make what BHO and those who are in lockstep with him look good by making others look bad
Thats desperation

See I can safely say from 01-08 we added 6 million jobs to the economy and our overall deficit out of pocket was the same in 8 as we face today in about 2. this would also include the Iraq war being all but over today
those 6 million jobs are gone now

Its just information, thats all

Jobs

2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

Debt
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

You're not arguing the same point.

Rabbi said 2001 had more job losses than 2008.

He was wrong.

He fails to man-up to that fact.

That is all.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009

Wow you still don't get it.
You are looking at net numbers, not gross numbers.
But I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

 

[Full-Auto]

What amazes me is your trying to make what BHO and those who are in lockstep with him look good by making others look bad
Thats desperation

See I can safely say from 01-08 we added 6 million jobs to the economy and our overall deficit out of pocket was the same in 8 as we face today in about 2. this would also include the Iraq war being all but over today
those 6 million jobs are gone now

Its just information, thats all

Jobs

2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

Debt
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

You're not arguing the same point.

Rabbi said 2001 had more job losses than 2008.

He was wrong.

He fails to man-up to that fact.

That is all.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009

Wow you still don't get it.
You are looking at net numbers, not gross numbers.
But I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

Hurricane force winds just above head level

 

[editec]

The ONLY people who want a balanced budget are the taxpayers who don't benefit from the debt.

Nobody in real positions of power really gives a rat's ass what those outsiders want.

 

[JRK]

Translation: I have nothing to refute this argument. The facts are the facts.

I cannot imagine anyone saying this country is better now than it was it was when he took office and why anyone would think his performance has been acceptable
This is about performance

We are no longer losing half a million jobs a month, which was ongoing when President Obama took office.

You honestly want to argument that that reality was better than what's happening now?

Yea anytime any place

this 3 trillion dollar failure was suppose to have 3 million jobs save or created by now (the stimulus part of that debt)

We were not even talking about our credit rating being down graded

I do not know if you know, but the Obama-care wreck got deemed unconstitutional again by the 11th circuit in Atlanta

The real job loss did not begin until after BHO got elected, we had a 6 million jobs more then than now

We have no plan to create any wealth (jobs)

We have no plan to stop the deficit and there is already talk of another down grade if we do not
No plan for Medicare
No plan for Social Security

The stock market was around 8100-9000 in Jan of 09 and it looks to be headed back there,

with 3 trillion in debt since then. GM bailed out, GE bailed out.
This would now also include the 250 billion that GWB put in the market that we got most all of it back (tax payers wealth) that also had about 200 billion in stimulus from GWB. of course Ws was not a slush fund. it was given back to the tax payer only. Unions did not get the majority give to the like the other

you want me to go on?

 

[JRK]

You're not arguing the same point.

Rabbi said 2001 had more job losses than 2008.

He was wrong.

He fails to man-up to that fact.

That is all.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009

Wow you still don't get it.
You are looking at net numbers, not gross numbers.
But I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

Hurricane force winds just above head level

What I am having trouble with here is a success story vs a failure and somehow this most important part of the debate is being missed
why is that?
it is the very way Obama got elected and if we let it go on, like here
he will get re elected

 

[Maple]

Congress has as much or more to do with that process than any-one
For the people
By the people

Bill Clinton got credit for what Newt and the boys did in the 90s

Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today's surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.

Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.

No, Bill Clinton Didn't Balance the Budget | Stephen Moore | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

And when it comes to deficits after 2001?

from 02-07
all GOP budgets we run a yearly deficit of about 250 billion a year
GWB would not even sign 2009 budget and the 08 was 450-500 billion in the hole
both with a dem congress
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

so with that said and adding 10-11 and 12 to that we have from about 98-07
GOP added about 1 trillion and the left has added, well lets just allot more than 1 trillion

There is nothing here to debate
if there is what exactly would it be?

YouTube - Real Sh*t: Felonious Munk Presents "Stop It B! OBAMA PAY YOUR F*ckin BILL"

 

[Oldstyle]

Congress has as much or more to do with that process than any-one
For the people
By the people

Bill Clinton got credit for what Newt and the boys did in the 90s

Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today's surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.

Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.

No, Bill Clinton Didn't Balance the Budget | Stephen Moore | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

And when it comes to deficits after 2001?

from 02-07
all GOP budgets we run a yearly deficit of about 250 billion a year
GWB would not even sign 2009 budget and the 08 was 450-500 billion in the hole
both with a dem congress
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

so with that said and adding 10-11 and 12 to that we have from about 98-07
GOP added about 1 trillion and the left has added, well lets just allot more than 1 trillion

There is nothing here to debate
if there is what exactly would it be?

YouTube - Real Sh*t: Felonious Munk Presents "Stop It B! OBAMA PAY YOUR F*ckin BILL"

That could very well be the funniest thing I've seen in months...

Let 'em have it, Felonius!!!

 

[JRK]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

 

[The Rabbi]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

Things were worse under Bush. This is Lefty dogma and you will do bugger-all trying to get them to admit otherwise.
In fact the day Obama took office was the best day for the economy in his entire term so far.

 

[NYcarbineer]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

Obama has lost 6 million jobs???

 

[NYcarbineer]

I cannot imagine anyone saying this country is better now than it was it was when he took office and why anyone would think his performance has been acceptable
This is about performance

We are no longer losing half a million jobs a month, which was ongoing when President Obama took office.

You honestly want to argument that that reality was better than what's happening now?

Yea anytime any place

this 3 trillion dollar failure was suppose to have 3 million jobs save or created by now (the stimulus part of that debt)

We were not even talking about our credit rating being down graded

I do not know if you know, but the Obama-care wreck got deemed unconstitutional again by the 11th circuit in Atlanta

The real job loss did not begin until after BHO got elected, we had a 6 million jobs more then than now

We have no plan to create any wealth (jobs)

We have no plan to stop the deficit and there is already talk of another down grade if we do not
No plan for Medicare
No plan for Social Security

The stock market was around 8100-9000 in Jan of 09 and it looks to be headed back there,

with 3 trillion in debt since then. GM bailed out, GE bailed out.
This would now also include the 250 billion that GWB put in the market that we got most all of it back (tax payers wealth) that also had about 200 billion in stimulus from GWB. of course Ws was not a slush fund. it was given back to the tax payer only. Unions did not get the majority give to the like the other

you want me to go on?

Here's the monthly job loss/gain chart:

Now show me where Obama's presidency has a net loss of 6 million jobs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Translation: I have nothing to refute this argument. The facts are the facts.

You were proven wrong yesterday. We don't have to get you to admit it, in fact,

the best part of winning an argument is when the loser refuses to admit it.

What amazes me is your trying to make what BHO and those who are in lockstep with him look good by making others look bad
Thats desperation

See I can safely say from 01-08 we added 6 million jobs to the economy and our overall deficit out of pocket was the same in 8 as we face today in about 2. this would also include the Iraq war being all but over today
those 6 million jobs are gone now

Its just information, thats all

Jobs

2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441
2002...... 130,341 108,828 22,557 583 6,716 15,259
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
2009...... 130,807 108,252 18,557 694 6,016 11,847

2010...... 129,818 107,337 17,755 705 5,526 11,524

Debt
Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

You don't even know what we're talking about.

Rabbi said we lost more jobs in the 2001 recession than in the 2008 recession.

Prove him right or prove him wrong.

 

[edthecynic]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

Gee, 2007 was the year Bush ran the debt up $500 billion.
So, in CON$ervative fuzzy math, borrowing $500 billion to cover a $500 billion shortfall in the budget is a $163 billion deficit!

 

[Full-Auto]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

Gee, 2007 was the year Bush ran the debt up $500 billion.
So, in CON$ervative fuzzy math, borrowing $500 billion to cover a $500 billion shortfall in the budget is a $163 billion deficit!

Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

fuzzy math?

 

[edthecynic]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

Gee, 2007 was the year Bush ran the debt up $500 billion.
So, in CON$ervative fuzzy math, borrowing $500 billion to cover a $500 billion shortfall in the budget is a $163 billion deficit!

Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

fuzzy math?

That's right, fuzzy math.
In fuzzy math, $9.0 trillion - $8.5 trillion = $163 billion.

Total National Debt

09/30/2007 - $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 - $8,506,973,899,215.23

 

[JRK]

still waiting for a good debate as to this debt business

I see NY above thinks that losing 600,000 jobs for 1 month is worse than losing 6 million jobs total, 3 trillion dollars in 2 years (not counting interest), credit status, no plan with deficit for the rest of time over 1 trillion per year with no plan to end this jobless crises and last but not least, District 11 federal court declared Obama-care un constitutional

And somehow people think this is better than 5% UE with a deficit of 163 billion
the year?
2007
the last GOP budget

Obama has lost 6 million jobs???

sense 2008 we this country has lost 6 million jobs

 

[JRK]

Gee, 2007 was the year Bush ran the debt up $500 billion.
So, in CON$ervative fuzzy math, borrowing $500 billion to cover a $500 billion shortfall in the budget is a $163 billion deficit!

Budget 2011: Past Deficits vs. Obama’s Deficits in Pictures

fuzzy math?

That's right, fuzzy math.
In fuzzy math, $9.0 trillion - $8.5 trillion = $163 billion.

Total National Debt

09/30/2007 - $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 - $8,506,973,899,215.23

Obama’s July Deficit More Than Bush’s Deficit for 2007 | Impeach Obama Campaign

total notional debt has nothing to do with what each president adds
your desperation is only harming your reputation as well as your motives

We can do it either way

it only makes it worse for BHO