Let get the truth about South Africa

[IM2]

So you maintain genocide is okay if the ones targeted aren't on their own land?

Using that measuring stick, we can start killing the occupants of every single refugee camp in the world.

Also every black who owns land in the US.

And every Indian on a reservation that wasn't created on their ancestral land....the Cherokee, the Sioux and the Navajo for sure....

Your response makes no sense.

There is no white genocide in South Africa. You don't get to ignore 80 years if history then tell someone how they support genocide for pointing it out.

Liar. Yes, there is white genocide.

"..the firebrand leader of South Africa’s radical left...has called on his followers to “retake the land” from whites.

"In 2012 President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

"“We’re being hunted,” said Pauli, a 43-year-old farmer who declined to give her surname."

“They (black people) truly think that we have stolen the country from them,” Limpopo-based farmer Gerhardus Harmse told AFP."

In reality, the blacks who are killing the white people never owned the land. The land was owned by a handful of wealthy blacks...and the blacks currently raiding and murdering and raping white people never owned a thing there, nor did their ancestors.

A S. African resident chimes in:

"...the chieftains particularly in KwaZulu Natal were the original owners, not the ordinary people. If land is expropriated then there will be a “how long is a piece of string situation?” Zulus took land from Xhosas etc. The San and Khoisan peoples possessed the land as hunter gatherers before the pastoralists."

'You could hear the bones breaking' - South Africa haunted by racially charged murders



"Every day after picking up her eight-year-old son from school, the Johannesburg mum-of-two takes a different route home, eyes on the rear-view mirror. Her 20-month-old toddler sits in his car seat behind her, where he can easily be grabbed at a moment’s notice.

"That’s because Ms Day-Fourie doesn’t want her son, in the event of an attack, to be trapped by his seatbelt, dragged along outside of the car and killed — as happened to a four-year-old boy whose parents and sister were forced out of their car by three armed men in nearby Boksburg, just 30 minutes away."

"In Centurion, an hour’s drive away, a two-year-old was shot in the head during an attempted carjacking earlier this year."

‘It is a very, very violent country’

Jacob Zuma is not president. of South Africa. There is no white genocide there. You are here as a member of the alt right spreading lies..

In their reporting, the alt-right portrays white South Africans as facing patterns of marginalization and violence which constitute a unique threat to their very existence as a people. In a video titled “Why White People?” Southern tries to explain why she has decided to focus on whites when violent crime is a problem faced by all South Africans. White people in South Africa face “actual discrimination,” she asserts, “and not in the SJW sense” of minorities in North America (Social Justice Warrior or SJW is a pejorative and dismissive alt-right term for left-wing activist). In Nilsson’s documentary The Boer Project, South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment program — its affirmative action policies meant to address centuries of racial segregation and oppression — is referred to as “reverse apartheid.” Multiple segments linger on “white refugee camps,” as if the vast black shanty towns and slums did not also exist.

As for the violent crimes against white farmers, which are described in meticulously grisly, horrifying detail, the alt-right insists on characterizing them in terms of genocide and ethnic cleansing, suggesting that political forces are deliberately deploying violence to force white people off of their land — people tell Hopkins that within fifty to seventy years there will be no more white people in South Africa. The alt-right speculates that somebody must be training and funding the killers, and they suggest the possible complicity of the South African government, the African National Congress (ANC), and/or the police forces, who may be providing the murderers with “tacit support.”

One possible motive for the farm murders, the audience is intended to believe, is to advance the land redistribution agenda of the ANC, which threatens to eat away at the concentration of land under white control. Southern, appalled by the idea of taking away someone’s land based on their “skin color,” features a couple of interviews with black political representatives on this topic, including the ANC and Black First Land First, an outspoken yet marginal group whose sole function seems to be to defend the Guptas and the Zuma faction of the ANC. Southern later describes how in order to meet with these organizations she had to pretend to be a “self-hating SJW white person.”

The real target of the alt-right, however, is the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), a populist left-wing party led by former ANC Youth leader Julius Malema, whose menacing image is featured prominently in most of these videos, along with images of EFF members singing and dancing in their characteristic red jumpsuits at political rallies. Not only is Malema a communist, we are warned, but the EFF is “inciting a new generation of young, disenfranchised black South Africans to fight back with violence.”

The central piece of evidence leveled against the EFF is their continued use of a popular anti-apartheid era protest song “Ayesaba Amagwala” which features lyrics typically translated as “Kill the boer, kill the farmer.” Afrikaner groups have complained that the song constitutes hate speech, but the song’s proponents have insisted that this interpretation is “vulgarized,” and that the lyrics target the system of apartheid, not white people.

Searching for white genocide in South Africa

You are dealing with a man who knows the facts. You don't get to keep lying.

^^^Justifying the torture, rape and murder of whites by people who sing songs about killing white farmers.

-------------------------------------------------------- Well the smart white farmers are getting out if they can . I hear of a few going to Israel . Some want to go to Australia and to the USA and with TRUMP in place they might get to come to the USA KGirl .

Explain why they should be allowed to come here. They are not refugees. There is no humanitarian disaster.This is a manufactured racist scam claiming a genocide that's not going on,

 

[pismoe]

and Steve Hofmeyer , check him out on the internet for informative info . South Africa is probably going to get much worse in the near future .

 

[pismoe]

Your response makes no sense.

There is no white genocide in South Africa. You don't get to ignore 80 years if history then tell someone how they support genocide for pointing it out.

Liar. Yes, there is white genocide.

"..the firebrand leader of South Africa’s radical left...has called on his followers to “retake the land” from whites.

"In 2012 President Jacob Zuma sang a struggle-era song containing the words “shoot the farmer, shoot the Boer”.

"“We’re being hunted,” said Pauli, a 43-year-old farmer who declined to give her surname."

“They (black people) truly think that we have stolen the country from them,” Limpopo-based farmer Gerhardus Harmse told AFP."

In reality, the blacks who are killing the white people never owned the land. The land was owned by a handful of wealthy blacks...and the blacks currently raiding and murdering and raping white people never owned a thing there, nor did their ancestors.

A S. African resident chimes in:

"...the chieftains particularly in KwaZulu Natal were the original owners, not the ordinary people. If land is expropriated then there will be a “how long is a piece of string situation?” Zulus took land from Xhosas etc. The San and Khoisan peoples possessed the land as hunter gatherers before the pastoralists."

'You could hear the bones breaking' - South Africa haunted by racially charged murders



"Every day after picking up her eight-year-old son from school, the Johannesburg mum-of-two takes a different route home, eyes on the rear-view mirror. Her 20-month-old toddler sits in his car seat behind her, where he can easily be grabbed at a moment’s notice.

"That’s because Ms Day-Fourie doesn’t want her son, in the event of an attack, to be trapped by his seatbelt, dragged along outside of the car and killed — as happened to a four-year-old boy whose parents and sister were forced out of their car by three armed men in nearby Boksburg, just 30 minutes away."

"In Centurion, an hour’s drive away, a two-year-old was shot in the head during an attempted carjacking earlier this year."

‘It is a very, very violent country’

Jacob Zuma is not president. of South Africa. There is no white genocide there. You are here as a member of the alt right spreading lies..

In their reporting, the alt-right portrays white South Africans as facing patterns of marginalization and violence which constitute a unique threat to their very existence as a people. In a video titled “Why White People?” Southern tries to explain why she has decided to focus on whites when violent crime is a problem faced by all South Africans. White people in South Africa face “actual discrimination,” she asserts, “and not in the SJW sense” of minorities in North America (Social Justice Warrior or SJW is a pejorative and dismissive alt-right term for left-wing activist). In Nilsson’s documentary The Boer Project, South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment program — its affirmative action policies meant to address centuries of racial segregation and oppression — is referred to as “reverse apartheid.” Multiple segments linger on “white refugee camps,” as if the vast black shanty towns and slums did not also exist.

As for the violent crimes against white farmers, which are described in meticulously grisly, horrifying detail, the alt-right insists on characterizing them in terms of genocide and ethnic cleansing, suggesting that political forces are deliberately deploying violence to force white people off of their land — people tell Hopkins that within fifty to seventy years there will be no more white people in South Africa. The alt-right speculates that somebody must be training and funding the killers, and they suggest the possible complicity of the South African government, the African National Congress (ANC), and/or the police forces, who may be providing the murderers with “tacit support.”

One possible motive for the farm murders, the audience is intended to believe, is to advance the land redistribution agenda of the ANC, which threatens to eat away at the concentration of land under white control. Southern, appalled by the idea of taking away someone’s land based on their “skin color,” features a couple of interviews with black political representatives on this topic, including the ANC and Black First Land First, an outspoken yet marginal group whose sole function seems to be to defend the Guptas and the Zuma faction of the ANC. Southern later describes how in order to meet with these organizations she had to pretend to be a “self-hating SJW white person.”

The real target of the alt-right, however, is the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), a populist left-wing party led by former ANC Youth leader Julius Malema, whose menacing image is featured prominently in most of these videos, along with images of EFF members singing and dancing in their characteristic red jumpsuits at political rallies. Not only is Malema a communist, we are warned, but the EFF is “inciting a new generation of young, disenfranchised black South Africans to fight back with violence.”

The central piece of evidence leveled against the EFF is their continued use of a popular anti-apartheid era protest song “Ayesaba Amagwala” which features lyrics typically translated as “Kill the boer, kill the farmer.” Afrikaner groups have complained that the song constitutes hate speech, but the song’s proponents have insisted that this interpretation is “vulgarized,” and that the lyrics target the system of apartheid, not white people.

Searching for white genocide in South Africa

You are dealing with a man who knows the facts. You don't get to keep lying.

^^^Justifying the torture, rape and murder of whites by people who sing songs about killing white farmers.

-------------------------------------------------------- Well the smart white farmers are getting out if they can . I hear of a few going to Israel . Some want to go to Australia and to the USA and with TRUMP in place they might get to come to the USA KGirl .

Explain why they should be allowed to come here. They are not refugees. There is no humanitarian disaster.This is a manufactured racist scam claiming a genocide that's not going on,

------------------------------------ no one said that they should be ALLOWED as thats up to TRUMP and USA Government IM2 .

 

[pismoe]

And after listening to 'jacob zuma' sing his 'kill the Boer' song on 'youtube' it seems to me that The Trump might want to help the Boer out . You 'sud africans' don't need the Boer Farmers to keep you from starving . There is always 'bush meat' IM2 !!

 

[pismoe]

interesting link to Steve Hofmeyr 'twitter' or ' facebook' or some such messages . Its pretty interesting , you good posters might like the info as well as IM2 might like the info . --- Steve Hofmeyr (@steve_hofmeyr) | Twitter ---

 

[IM2]

And after listening to 'jacob zuma' sing his 'kill the Boer' song on 'youtube' it seems to me that The Trump might want to help the Boer out . You 'sud africans' don't need the Boer Farmers to keep you from starving . There is always 'bush meat' IM2 !!

Why would a black south African not like boers? Can you explain that? I'm quite sure the black South Africans will eat quite fine without the boers.

 

[IM2]

interesting link to Steve Hofmeyr 'twitter' or ' facebook' or some such messages . Its pretty interesting , you good posters might like the info as well as IM2 might like the info . --- Steve Hofmeyr (@steve_hofmeyr) | Twitter ---

Nah, I think I can do quite fine without that.

 

[pismoe]

and a bit of info on 'sud african' murders of Boer Farmers . --- #FarmMurders hashtag on Twitter --- check it out IM2 .

 

[pismoe]

interesting link to Steve Hofmeyr 'twitter' or ' facebook' or some such messages . Its pretty interesting , you good posters might like the info as well as IM2 might like the info . --- Steve Hofmeyr (@steve_hofmeyr) | Twitter ---

Nah, I think I can do quite fine without that.

--------------------------------- I'm just being polite by including YOU and if you want to see reality you might want to check out what Steve Hofmeyr has to say IM2 .

 

[pismoe]

And after listening to 'jacob zuma' sing his 'kill the Boer' song on 'youtube' it seems to me that The Trump might want to help the Boer out . You 'sud africans' don't need the Boer Farmers to keep you from starving . There is always 'bush meat' IM2 !!

Why would a black south African not like boers? Can you explain that? I'm quite sure the black South Africans will eat quite fine without the boers.

-------------------------------------------- ask 'jacob zuma' why he want to get his 'machine gun to kill the Boers' IM2 ??

 

[Rambunctious]

It's amazing the depths to which you racists will stoop.

Shutup you bigot...

 

[IM2]

and a bit of info on 'sud african' murders of Boer Farmers . --- #FarmMurders hashtag on Twitter --- check it out IM2 .

No. The boer farmers killed to get that land.

 

[IM2]

interesting link to Steve Hofmeyr 'twitter' or ' facebook' or some such messages . Its pretty interesting , you good posters might like the info as well as IM2 might like the info . --- Steve Hofmeyr (@steve_hofmeyr) | Twitter ---

Nah, I think I can do quite fine without that.

--------------------------------- I'm just being polite by including YOU and if you want to see reality you might want to check out what Steve Hofmeyr has to say IM2 .

I know what reality is in this situation and it ain't coming from half ass or whatever his name is.

 

[ptbw forever]

OK, so people want to argue about South Africa. And unless you join in declaring how the whites are being randomly selected for slaughter while the government allows it, you are accused of supporting murder, rape and robbery of whites in South Africa. Now it's time people looked at the truth.

"Are protesters right on South Africa farm murder rate?

According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

The claim is white genocide in South Africa. But the number of those killed stated is 74, Let us continue.

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

According to Statistics South Africa's mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.

That's 34 murders for every 100,000 people.

Are farmers at greater risk than this national average? "

Since so many are claiming to be all about rates:

"How many farmers?

The truth is, we don't know. We can't calculate a meaningful murder rate for farmers, because we don't know how many there are.

Do we include all 810,000 people employed in agriculture? That gives a farm murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000 - much lower than the South African average.

Or, do we restrict ourselves to the 32,375 commercial farmers counted in the country's last agricultural census in 2007?

That's what AfriForum, a group that campaigns for the interests of Afrikaners in South Africa, appears to have done.

It has estimated a farm murder rate of 156 per 100,000 that has been widely quoted in recent days."

What must be understood is this group is are AFRIKANRS. The people responsible for apartheid.

"It appears to be calculated as follows.

First, take the 50 murdered farmers counted by the TAU in 2016 (which excludes murders of family members, employees and visitors).

Then, divide by 32,000 - an estimate of the total number of farmers, based on the 2007 figure.

There are problems with this approach.

First, the data is very old, so the number of farmers may be different now.

Second, to exclude murdered family members, employees, and visitors to the farm from such an analysis misses part of the picture of what is happening on South African farms - but we don't know how many of those people there are.

Third, the 2007 census did not include small, non-commercial farms - but some of the murders counted in the figures did take place on smaller farms. By leaving them out, the murder rate comes out higher than it should."

.What has been mentioned her is that the white farmers are not the only ones getting killed.

"Can we talk about race?

This also helps explain why it's impossible to say whether white farmers are more at risk than black farmers - or more at risk than the population at large.

We simply don't know what proportion of people on South Africa's farms is white.

The closest we get is the 2016 Community Survey of agricultural households. Of the nearly 200,000 households whose agricultural activity takes place on farmland, about 54,000 have a white person at the head of the household.

The problem is, we don't know how many people are in each household or how many of the households are racially mixed.

So we don't know how many white people there are on South Africa's farms. And that means we can't work out how likely those white people are to be murdered.

In short - we have no clear idea about the murder rate on South African farms.

And because of that, the claim being made by protesters about farmers being more likely to be murdered is not supported by reliable data. "

So while people in South Africa can't accurately say if white farms are targeted, whites here are making claims about white genocide there.

Reality Check: Are protesters right on South Africa farm murders?

Why is this? Remember AfriForum?

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear

"Mabaya said there were groups and organisations in South Africa spreading false information and sparking panic, to advance their own political agendas. The International Relations department has asked them to stop.

“We call on organisations such as AfriForum that are spreading incorrect information sowing panic and fear to refrain from doing so. The South African Government has been very clear and transparent on a land reform process and the matter is now before Parliament.

“All stakeholders will be consulted and they are also encouraged to engage with Parliament. There is no reason for any Government anywhere in the world to suspect that any South African is in danger from their own democratically elected Government. That threat simply does not exist.”

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear - SA Breaking News

Searching for white genocide in South Africa
February 26, 2018 by Michael Bueckert

"The plight of white South Africans has clearly become, in Goldy’s words, “the flavor of the month” on the far-right. While it is a remarkable coincidence that these media personalities all decided to undertake the same project both independently and simultaneously, attention to this issue had been growing in alt-right circles throughout 2017, with articles appearing in Breitbart, the Rebel, and on conservative video blogs. In the image of the beleaguered Afrikaner, it appears that these online commentators — whose work is predominantly obsessed with fear-mongering attacks on Muslims and refugees — have finally found a supposedly persecuted minority they can get behind.

What has sparked the attention of the far-right in particular are the high rates of violent burglaries against white farmers in South Africa, what Afrikaners call plaasmoorde or “farm murders.” Drawing primarily on interviews with survivors of violent attacks, Southern and Hopkins have both utilized the format of short, provocative videos uploaded to YouTube to deploy a narrative that these incidents are not regular burglaries, but rather systematic and politically-motivated acts of ethnic cleansing, approved by the South African government, and deliberately ignored by the international media.

As the alt-right descends upon South Africa in search of white genocide, it is obvious that their concern-trolling for white South Africans is motivated, above all, by a domestic anti-immigration agenda. Deeply fearful of what happens when North American demographics shift and white people become a minority, what the alt-right really wants is a harrowing story about whites being “hunted to extinction” by a black majority which can be used to bolster the case for white supremacy at home.

Why white people?

In their reporting, the alt-right portrays white South Africans as facing patterns of marginalization and violence which constitute a unique threat to their very existence as a people. In a video titled “Why White People?” Southern tries to explain why she has decided to focus on whites when violent crime is a problem faced by all South Africans. White people in South Africa face “actual discrimination,” she asserts, “and not in the SJW sense” of minorities in North America (Social Justice Warrior or SJW is a pejorative and dismissive alt-right term for left-wing activist). In Nilsson’s documentary The Boer Project, South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment program — its affirmative action policies meant to address centuries of racial segregation and oppression — is referred to as “reverse apartheid.” Multiple segments linger on “white refugee camps,” as if the vast black shanty towns and slums did not also exist."

Here is the whole thing. Searching for white genocide in South Africa

So what we see is 74 whites were murdered in a year. That does not constitute genocide. We have see that an organization representing white Afrikaners inaccurately distorted numbers to make things look like whites are victims of high amounts of violence. What we see is that South African authorities cannot find evidence supporting such claims. We see the land reforms are bound by a constitution by the South African government so the government is not turning a blind eye letting blacks target whites for murder, rape etc. We have also seen that this tale is an alt right meme that has been written about in almost every alt right media source to promote an anti immigration domestic agenda and a white supremacist agenda. These are the facts.

Firstly, your entire article is wrong and the dipshit who wrote it doesn't give a damn whether they are accurate or not because a political hack wrote it.

Secondly, you know you sure as hell would never want to switch places with white South Africans. You could never handle half the shit they deal with regularly.

 

[IM2]

OK, so people want to argue about South Africa. And unless you join in declaring how the whites are being randomly selected for slaughter while the government allows it, you are accused of supporting murder, rape and robbery of whites in South Africa. Now it's time people looked at the truth.

"Are protesters right on South Africa farm murder rate?

According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

The claim is white genocide in South Africa. But the number of those killed stated is 74, Let us continue.

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

According to Statistics South Africa's mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.

That's 34 murders for every 100,000 people.

Are farmers at greater risk than this national average? "

Since so many are claiming to be all about rates:

"How many farmers?

The truth is, we don't know. We can't calculate a meaningful murder rate for farmers, because we don't know how many there are.

Do we include all 810,000 people employed in agriculture? That gives a farm murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000 - much lower than the South African average.

Or, do we restrict ourselves to the 32,375 commercial farmers counted in the country's last agricultural census in 2007?

That's what AfriForum, a group that campaigns for the interests of Afrikaners in South Africa, appears to have done.

It has estimated a farm murder rate of 156 per 100,000 that has been widely quoted in recent days."

What must be understood is this group is are AFRIKANRS. The people responsible for apartheid.

"It appears to be calculated as follows.

First, take the 50 murdered farmers counted by the TAU in 2016 (which excludes murders of family members, employees and visitors).

Then, divide by 32,000 - an estimate of the total number of farmers, based on the 2007 figure.

There are problems with this approach.

First, the data is very old, so the number of farmers may be different now.

Second, to exclude murdered family members, employees, and visitors to the farm from such an analysis misses part of the picture of what is happening on South African farms - but we don't know how many of those people there are.

Third, the 2007 census did not include small, non-commercial farms - but some of the murders counted in the figures did take place on smaller farms. By leaving them out, the murder rate comes out higher than it should."

.What has been mentioned her is that the white farmers are not the only ones getting killed.

"Can we talk about race?

This also helps explain why it's impossible to say whether white farmers are more at risk than black farmers - or more at risk than the population at large.

We simply don't know what proportion of people on South Africa's farms is white.

The closest we get is the 2016 Community Survey of agricultural households. Of the nearly 200,000 households whose agricultural activity takes place on farmland, about 54,000 have a white person at the head of the household.

The problem is, we don't know how many people are in each household or how many of the households are racially mixed.

So we don't know how many white people there are on South Africa's farms. And that means we can't work out how likely those white people are to be murdered.

In short - we have no clear idea about the murder rate on South African farms.

And because of that, the claim being made by protesters about farmers being more likely to be murdered is not supported by reliable data. "

So while people in South Africa can't accurately say if white farms are targeted, whites here are making claims about white genocide there.

Reality Check: Are protesters right on South Africa farm murders?

Why is this? Remember AfriForum?

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear

"Mabaya said there were groups and organisations in South Africa spreading false information and sparking panic, to advance their own political agendas. The International Relations department has asked them to stop.

“We call on organisations such as AfriForum that are spreading incorrect information sowing panic and fear to refrain from doing so. The South African Government has been very clear and transparent on a land reform process and the matter is now before Parliament.

“All stakeholders will be consulted and they are also encouraged to engage with Parliament. There is no reason for any Government anywhere in the world to suspect that any South African is in danger from their own democratically elected Government. That threat simply does not exist.”

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear - SA Breaking News

Searching for white genocide in South Africa
February 26, 2018 by Michael Bueckert

"The plight of white South Africans has clearly become, in Goldy’s words, “the flavor of the month” on the far-right. While it is a remarkable coincidence that these media personalities all decided to undertake the same project both independently and simultaneously, attention to this issue had been growing in alt-right circles throughout 2017, with articles appearing in Breitbart, the Rebel, and on conservative video blogs. In the image of the beleaguered Afrikaner, it appears that these online commentators — whose work is predominantly obsessed with fear-mongering attacks on Muslims and refugees — have finally found a supposedly persecuted minority they can get behind.

What has sparked the attention of the far-right in particular are the high rates of violent burglaries against white farmers in South Africa, what Afrikaners call plaasmoorde or “farm murders.” Drawing primarily on interviews with survivors of violent attacks, Southern and Hopkins have both utilized the format of short, provocative videos uploaded to YouTube to deploy a narrative that these incidents are not regular burglaries, but rather systematic and politically-motivated acts of ethnic cleansing, approved by the South African government, and deliberately ignored by the international media.

As the alt-right descends upon South Africa in search of white genocide, it is obvious that their concern-trolling for white South Africans is motivated, above all, by a domestic anti-immigration agenda. Deeply fearful of what happens when North American demographics shift and white people become a minority, what the alt-right really wants is a harrowing story about whites being “hunted to extinction” by a black majority which can be used to bolster the case for white supremacy at home.

Why white people?

In their reporting, the alt-right portrays white South Africans as facing patterns of marginalization and violence which constitute a unique threat to their very existence as a people. In a video titled “Why White People?” Southern tries to explain why she has decided to focus on whites when violent crime is a problem faced by all South Africans. White people in South Africa face “actual discrimination,” she asserts, “and not in the SJW sense” of minorities in North America (Social Justice Warrior or SJW is a pejorative and dismissive alt-right term for left-wing activist). In Nilsson’s documentary The Boer Project, South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment program — its affirmative action policies meant to address centuries of racial segregation and oppression — is referred to as “reverse apartheid.” Multiple segments linger on “white refugee camps,” as if the vast black shanty towns and slums did not also exist."

Here is the whole thing. Searching for white genocide in South Africa

So what we see is 74 whites were murdered in a year. That does not constitute genocide. We have see that an organization representing white Afrikaners inaccurately distorted numbers to make things look like whites are victims of high amounts of violence. What we see is that South African authorities cannot find evidence supporting such claims. We see the land reforms are bound by a constitution by the South African government so the government is not turning a blind eye letting blacks target whites for murder, rape etc. We have also seen that this tale is an alt right meme that has been written about in almost every alt right media source to promote an anti immigration domestic agenda and a white supremacist agenda. These are the facts.

Firstly, your entire article is wrong and the dipshit who wrote it doesn't give a damn whether they are accurate or not because a political hack wrote it.

Secondly, you know you sure as hell would never want to switch places with white South Africans. You could never handle half the shit they deal with regularly.

Let's see. Apartheid ended in 1991. You were approximately 1. Shut up.

 

[ptbw forever]

"In total, between 1998 and the end of 2016, 1848 people have been murdered in farm attacks — 1187 farmers, 490 family members, 147 farm employees, and 24 people who happened to be visiting the farm at the time.

"While South Africa has one of the highest rates of violent crime anywhere in the world, the attacks on white farmers are no ordinary crimes."

“The well-known ‘blood sisters’ from the South African company Crimescene-cleanup have rightly indicated that, in their experience, farm tortures are by far the most horrific acts of violence in South Africa,” the report said.

“They are of the opinion that the term ‘farm murders’ is misleading and that the terms ‘farm terror’ and ‘farm tortures’ are more suitable.”

‘The horror experienced is almost incomprehensible’

So let me ask you this question:

Where in the hell do you get genocide out of an average of 102 murders per year?

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

Here we see that in one year 74 farmers got murdered. The year before that 58. How does this support the claim of white genocide?

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

I said there is no white genocide. Because there isn't.

Are SA whites really being killed ‘like flies’? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

South African musician Steve Hofmeyr has claimed that the number of white South Africans killed by blacks would fill a soccer stadium, that white Afrikaners are being killed "like flies" and that a white farmer is murdered every five days. But the claims are incorrect and grossly exaggerated. In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group.

“Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,” Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1,378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population).

According to Lancaster official police statistics show that between April 1994 and March 2012 a total of 361 015 people were murdered in South Africa. Applying the 1.8% figure, it would mean that roughly 6,498 whites have been murdered since April 1994.

Even if there were some variation on the 1.8% figure, the number of white murder victims would still fail to come anywhere close to filling a soccer stadium. The fact is that whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race in South Africa. The current murder rate of white South Africans is also equivalent to, or lower than, murder rates for whites recorded between 1979 and 1991.

Are SA whites really being killed ‘like flies’? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

Again, you are dealing with a man who knows the facts. You do not get to keep lying.

.

How many farmers do you actually think there are?

70+ farmers a years is a TON.

 

[ptbw forever]

OK, so people want to argue about South Africa. And unless you join in declaring how the whites are being randomly selected for slaughter while the government allows it, you are accused of supporting murder, rape and robbery of whites in South Africa. Now it's time people looked at the truth.

"Are protesters right on South Africa farm murder rate?

According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

The claim is white genocide in South Africa. But the number of those killed stated is 74, Let us continue.

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

According to Statistics South Africa's mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.

That's 34 murders for every 100,000 people.

Are farmers at greater risk than this national average? "

Since so many are claiming to be all about rates:

"How many farmers?

The truth is, we don't know. We can't calculate a meaningful murder rate for farmers, because we don't know how many there are.

Do we include all 810,000 people employed in agriculture? That gives a farm murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000 - much lower than the South African average.

Or, do we restrict ourselves to the 32,375 commercial farmers counted in the country's last agricultural census in 2007?

That's what AfriForum, a group that campaigns for the interests of Afrikaners in South Africa, appears to have done.

It has estimated a farm murder rate of 156 per 100,000 that has been widely quoted in recent days."

What must be understood is this group is are AFRIKANRS. The people responsible for apartheid.

"It appears to be calculated as follows.

First, take the 50 murdered farmers counted by the TAU in 2016 (which excludes murders of family members, employees and visitors).

Then, divide by 32,000 - an estimate of the total number of farmers, based on the 2007 figure.

There are problems with this approach.

First, the data is very old, so the number of farmers may be different now.

Second, to exclude murdered family members, employees, and visitors to the farm from such an analysis misses part of the picture of what is happening on South African farms - but we don't know how many of those people there are.

Third, the 2007 census did not include small, non-commercial farms - but some of the murders counted in the figures did take place on smaller farms. By leaving them out, the murder rate comes out higher than it should."

.What has been mentioned her is that the white farmers are not the only ones getting killed.

"Can we talk about race?

This also helps explain why it's impossible to say whether white farmers are more at risk than black farmers - or more at risk than the population at large.

We simply don't know what proportion of people on South Africa's farms is white.

The closest we get is the 2016 Community Survey of agricultural households. Of the nearly 200,000 households whose agricultural activity takes place on farmland, about 54,000 have a white person at the head of the household.

The problem is, we don't know how many people are in each household or how many of the households are racially mixed.

So we don't know how many white people there are on South Africa's farms. And that means we can't work out how likely those white people are to be murdered.

In short - we have no clear idea about the murder rate on South African farms.

And because of that, the claim being made by protesters about farmers being more likely to be murdered is not supported by reliable data. "

So while people in South Africa can't accurately say if white farms are targeted, whites here are making claims about white genocide there.

Reality Check: Are protesters right on South Africa farm murders?

Why is this? Remember AfriForum?

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear

"Mabaya said there were groups and organisations in South Africa spreading false information and sparking panic, to advance their own political agendas. The International Relations department has asked them to stop.

“We call on organisations such as AfriForum that are spreading incorrect information sowing panic and fear to refrain from doing so. The South African Government has been very clear and transparent on a land reform process and the matter is now before Parliament.

“All stakeholders will be consulted and they are also encouraged to engage with Parliament. There is no reason for any Government anywhere in the world to suspect that any South African is in danger from their own democratically elected Government. That threat simply does not exist.”

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear - SA Breaking News

Searching for white genocide in South Africa
February 26, 2018 by Michael Bueckert

"The plight of white South Africans has clearly become, in Goldy’s words, “the flavor of the month” on the far-right. While it is a remarkable coincidence that these media personalities all decided to undertake the same project both independently and simultaneously, attention to this issue had been growing in alt-right circles throughout 2017, with articles appearing in Breitbart, the Rebel, and on conservative video blogs. In the image of the beleaguered Afrikaner, it appears that these online commentators — whose work is predominantly obsessed with fear-mongering attacks on Muslims and refugees — have finally found a supposedly persecuted minority they can get behind.

What has sparked the attention of the far-right in particular are the high rates of violent burglaries against white farmers in South Africa, what Afrikaners call plaasmoorde or “farm murders.” Drawing primarily on interviews with survivors of violent attacks, Southern and Hopkins have both utilized the format of short, provocative videos uploaded to YouTube to deploy a narrative that these incidents are not regular burglaries, but rather systematic and politically-motivated acts of ethnic cleansing, approved by the South African government, and deliberately ignored by the international media.

As the alt-right descends upon South Africa in search of white genocide, it is obvious that their concern-trolling for white South Africans is motivated, above all, by a domestic anti-immigration agenda. Deeply fearful of what happens when North American demographics shift and white people become a minority, what the alt-right really wants is a harrowing story about whites being “hunted to extinction” by a black majority which can be used to bolster the case for white supremacy at home.

Why white people?

In their reporting, the alt-right portrays white South Africans as facing patterns of marginalization and violence which constitute a unique threat to their very existence as a people. In a video titled “Why White People?” Southern tries to explain why she has decided to focus on whites when violent crime is a problem faced by all South Africans. White people in South Africa face “actual discrimination,” she asserts, “and not in the SJW sense” of minorities in North America (Social Justice Warrior or SJW is a pejorative and dismissive alt-right term for left-wing activist). In Nilsson’s documentary The Boer Project, South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment program — its affirmative action policies meant to address centuries of racial segregation and oppression — is referred to as “reverse apartheid.” Multiple segments linger on “white refugee camps,” as if the vast black shanty towns and slums did not also exist."

Here is the whole thing. Searching for white genocide in South Africa

So what we see is 74 whites were murdered in a year. That does not constitute genocide. We have see that an organization representing white Afrikaners inaccurately distorted numbers to make things look like whites are victims of high amounts of violence. What we see is that South African authorities cannot find evidence supporting such claims. We see the land reforms are bound by a constitution by the South African government so the government is not turning a blind eye letting blacks target whites for murder, rape etc. We have also seen that this tale is an alt right meme that has been written about in almost every alt right media source to promote an anti immigration domestic agenda and a white supremacist agenda. These are the facts.

Firstly, your entire article is wrong and the dipshit who wrote it doesn't give a damn whether they are accurate or not because a political hack wrote it.

Secondly, you know you sure as hell would never want to switch places with white South Africans. You could never handle half the shit they deal with regularly.

Let's see. Apartheid ended in 1991. You were approximately 1. Shut up.

I was 2.

That was almost 30 years ago, dipshit.

 

[IM2]

"In total, between 1998 and the end of 2016, 1848 people have been murdered in farm attacks — 1187 farmers, 490 family members, 147 farm employees, and 24 people who happened to be visiting the farm at the time.

"While South Africa has one of the highest rates of violent crime anywhere in the world, the attacks on white farmers are no ordinary crimes."

“The well-known ‘blood sisters’ from the South African company Crimescene-cleanup have rightly indicated that, in their experience, farm tortures are by far the most horrific acts of violence in South Africa,” the report said.

“They are of the opinion that the term ‘farm murders’ is misleading and that the terms ‘farm terror’ and ‘farm tortures’ are more suitable.”

‘The horror experienced is almost incomprehensible’

So let me ask you this question:

Where in the hell do you get genocide out of an average of 102 murders per year?

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

Here we see that in one year 74 farmers got murdered. The year before that 58. How does this support the claim of white genocide?

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

I said there is no white genocide. Because there isn't.

Are SA whites really being killed ‘like flies’? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

South African musician Steve Hofmeyr has claimed that the number of white South Africans killed by blacks would fill a soccer stadium, that white Afrikaners are being killed "like flies" and that a white farmer is murdered every five days. But the claims are incorrect and grossly exaggerated. In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group.

“Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,” Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1,378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population).

According to Lancaster official police statistics show that between April 1994 and March 2012 a total of 361 015 people were murdered in South Africa. Applying the 1.8% figure, it would mean that roughly 6,498 whites have been murdered since April 1994.

Even if there were some variation on the 1.8% figure, the number of white murder victims would still fail to come anywhere close to filling a soccer stadium. The fact is that whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race in South Africa. The current murder rate of white South Africans is also equivalent to, or lower than, murder rates for whites recorded between 1979 and 1991.

Are SA whites really being killed ‘like flies’? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

Again, you are dealing with a man who knows the facts. You do not get to keep lying.

.

How many farmers do you actually think there are?

70+ farmers a years is a TON.

There were at last 32,000 commercial farmers in South Africa junior.

There is no white genocide in South Africa.

 

[ptbw forever]

"In total, between 1998 and the end of 2016, 1848 people have been murdered in farm attacks — 1187 farmers, 490 family members, 147 farm employees, and 24 people who happened to be visiting the farm at the time.

"While South Africa has one of the highest rates of violent crime anywhere in the world, the attacks on white farmers are no ordinary crimes."

“The well-known ‘blood sisters’ from the South African company Crimescene-cleanup have rightly indicated that, in their experience, farm tortures are by far the most horrific acts of violence in South Africa,” the report said.

“They are of the opinion that the term ‘farm murders’ is misleading and that the terms ‘farm terror’ and ‘farm tortures’ are more suitable.”

‘The horror experienced is almost incomprehensible’

So let me ask you this question:

Where in the hell do you get genocide out of an average of 102 murders per year?

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

Here we see that in one year 74 farmers got murdered. The year before that 58. How does this support the claim of white genocide?

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

I said there is no white genocide. Because there isn't.

Are SA whites really being killed ‘like flies’? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

South African musician Steve Hofmeyr has claimed that the number of white South Africans killed by blacks would fill a soccer stadium, that white Afrikaners are being killed "like flies" and that a white farmer is murdered every five days. But the claims are incorrect and grossly exaggerated. In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group.

“Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,” Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1,378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population).

According to Lancaster official police statistics show that between April 1994 and March 2012 a total of 361 015 people were murdered in South Africa. Applying the 1.8% figure, it would mean that roughly 6,498 whites have been murdered since April 1994.

Even if there were some variation on the 1.8% figure, the number of white murder victims would still fail to come anywhere close to filling a soccer stadium. The fact is that whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race in South Africa. The current murder rate of white South Africans is also equivalent to, or lower than, murder rates for whites recorded between 1979 and 1991.

Are SA whites really being killed ‘like flies’? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

Again, you are dealing with a man who knows the facts. You do not get to keep lying.

.

How many farmers do you actually think there are?

70+ farmers a years is a TON.

There were at last 32,000 commercial farmers in South Africa junior.

There is no white genocide in South Africa.

There is a MUCH higher percentage of white people being killed by blacks in South Africa than blacks being killed by police officers in the US.

If BLM is justified because of blacks being killed by police, then what Lauren Southern is doing is more than justified.

 

[IM2]

OK, so people want to argue about South Africa. And unless you join in declaring how the whites are being randomly selected for slaughter while the government allows it, you are accused of supporting murder, rape and robbery of whites in South Africa. Now it's time people looked at the truth.

"Are protesters right on South Africa farm murder rate?

According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.

South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year. '

The claim is white genocide in South Africa. But the number of those killed stated is 74, Let us continue.

"There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.

According to Statistics South Africa's mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.

That's 34 murders for every 100,000 people.

Are farmers at greater risk than this national average? "

Since so many are claiming to be all about rates:

"How many farmers?

The truth is, we don't know. We can't calculate a meaningful murder rate for farmers, because we don't know how many there are.

Do we include all 810,000 people employed in agriculture? That gives a farm murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000 - much lower than the South African average.

Or, do we restrict ourselves to the 32,375 commercial farmers counted in the country's last agricultural census in 2007?

That's what AfriForum, a group that campaigns for the interests of Afrikaners in South Africa, appears to have done.

It has estimated a farm murder rate of 156 per 100,000 that has been widely quoted in recent days."

What must be understood is this group is are AFRIKANRS. The people responsible for apartheid.

"It appears to be calculated as follows.

First, take the 50 murdered farmers counted by the TAU in 2016 (which excludes murders of family members, employees and visitors).

Then, divide by 32,000 - an estimate of the total number of farmers, based on the 2007 figure.

There are problems with this approach.

First, the data is very old, so the number of farmers may be different now.

Second, to exclude murdered family members, employees, and visitors to the farm from such an analysis misses part of the picture of what is happening on South African farms - but we don't know how many of those people there are.

Third, the 2007 census did not include small, non-commercial farms - but some of the murders counted in the figures did take place on smaller farms. By leaving them out, the murder rate comes out higher than it should."

.What has been mentioned her is that the white farmers are not the only ones getting killed.

"Can we talk about race?

This also helps explain why it's impossible to say whether white farmers are more at risk than black farmers - or more at risk than the population at large.

We simply don't know what proportion of people on South Africa's farms is white.

The closest we get is the 2016 Community Survey of agricultural households. Of the nearly 200,000 households whose agricultural activity takes place on farmland, about 54,000 have a white person at the head of the household.

The problem is, we don't know how many people are in each household or how many of the households are racially mixed.

So we don't know how many white people there are on South Africa's farms. And that means we can't work out how likely those white people are to be murdered.

In short - we have no clear idea about the murder rate on South African farms.

And because of that, the claim being made by protesters about farmers being more likely to be murdered is not supported by reliable data. "

So while people in South Africa can't accurately say if white farms are targeted, whites here are making claims about white genocide there.

Reality Check: Are protesters right on South Africa farm murders?

Why is this? Remember AfriForum?

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear

"Mabaya said there were groups and organisations in South Africa spreading false information and sparking panic, to advance their own political agendas. The International Relations department has asked them to stop.

“We call on organisations such as AfriForum that are spreading incorrect information sowing panic and fear to refrain from doing so. The South African Government has been very clear and transparent on a land reform process and the matter is now before Parliament.

“All stakeholders will be consulted and they are also encouraged to engage with Parliament. There is no reason for any Government anywhere in the world to suspect that any South African is in danger from their own democratically elected Government. That threat simply does not exist.”

DIRCO: AfriForum must stop sowing panic and fear - SA Breaking News

Searching for white genocide in South Africa
February 26, 2018 by Michael Bueckert

"The plight of white South Africans has clearly become, in Goldy’s words, “the flavor of the month” on the far-right. While it is a remarkable coincidence that these media personalities all decided to undertake the same project both independently and simultaneously, attention to this issue had been growing in alt-right circles throughout 2017, with articles appearing in Breitbart, the Rebel, and on conservative video blogs. In the image of the beleaguered Afrikaner, it appears that these online commentators — whose work is predominantly obsessed with fear-mongering attacks on Muslims and refugees — have finally found a supposedly persecuted minority they can get behind.

What has sparked the attention of the far-right in particular are the high rates of violent burglaries against white farmers in South Africa, what Afrikaners call plaasmoorde or “farm murders.” Drawing primarily on interviews with survivors of violent attacks, Southern and Hopkins have both utilized the format of short, provocative videos uploaded to YouTube to deploy a narrative that these incidents are not regular burglaries, but rather systematic and politically-motivated acts of ethnic cleansing, approved by the South African government, and deliberately ignored by the international media.

As the alt-right descends upon South Africa in search of white genocide, it is obvious that their concern-trolling for white South Africans is motivated, above all, by a domestic anti-immigration agenda. Deeply fearful of what happens when North American demographics shift and white people become a minority, what the alt-right really wants is a harrowing story about whites being “hunted to extinction” by a black majority which can be used to bolster the case for white supremacy at home.

Why white people?

In their reporting, the alt-right portrays white South Africans as facing patterns of marginalization and violence which constitute a unique threat to their very existence as a people. In a video titled “Why White People?” Southern tries to explain why she has decided to focus on whites when violent crime is a problem faced by all South Africans. White people in South Africa face “actual discrimination,” she asserts, “and not in the SJW sense” of minorities in North America (Social Justice Warrior or SJW is a pejorative and dismissive alt-right term for left-wing activist). In Nilsson’s documentary The Boer Project, South Africa’s Black Economic Empowerment program — its affirmative action policies meant to address centuries of racial segregation and oppression — is referred to as “reverse apartheid.” Multiple segments linger on “white refugee camps,” as if the vast black shanty towns and slums did not also exist."

Here is the whole thing. Searching for white genocide in South Africa

So what we see is 74 whites were murdered in a year. That does not constitute genocide. We have see that an organization representing white Afrikaners inaccurately distorted numbers to make things look like whites are victims of high amounts of violence. What we see is that South African authorities cannot find evidence supporting such claims. We see the land reforms are bound by a constitution by the South African government so the government is not turning a blind eye letting blacks target whites for murder, rape etc. We have also seen that this tale is an alt right meme that has been written about in almost every alt right media source to promote an anti immigration domestic agenda and a white supremacist agenda. These are the facts.

Firstly, your entire article is wrong and the dipshit who wrote it doesn't give a damn whether they are accurate or not because a political hack wrote it.

Secondly, you know you sure as hell would never want to switch places with white South Africans. You could never handle half the shit they deal with regularly.

Let's see. Apartheid ended in 1991. You were approximately 1. Shut up.

I was 2.

That was almost 30 years ago, dipshit.

I was 30. Get it? Older than you are right now. Get it? I went to college with black South Africans during apartheid and some if them were undergrads who went home for the summer and never came back. And it wasn't because they transferred or decided to quit college. There is no white genocide in South Africa. This is alt white crap.