thank you for addressing my post and giving your thoughts on it and doing so in a mature manner.I wish more people here would be like you and be open minded and willing to think outside the box and not have the mindset that since the mainstream media, government and school systems said so, that its automaticaly the truth. therefore whatever the doctors,policemen witnesses,ballistics and forensic experts say is wrong.thats their logic that so many of them have around here though.
The CIA definetely had more to gain by his assassination more than anybody for sure.after the disasterous bay of pigs invasion failed-and it was the CIA that was responsible for that failure,they lied to kennedy from the very start about it all.when He wouldnt call for military air support after the CIA told him there would be no military involvement,many of the top brass right wingers in the CIA felt betrayed by him and was being soft on communism. after that disaster,Kennedy made a public speech that he threatened to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the four winds.That was a major mistake on his part and his undoing.
Thank god we had the disaterous bay of pigs invasion because after that event,Kennedy stopped listening to the advise of the military brass and started listening to his own people on his staff.His aides.and by doing so,listening to them,he averted us from getting into a nuclear war with russia. There were shock waves among people in the CIA when he made that statement he was going to get rid of them.they of course were not about to let that happen thats why the CIA is still around but kennedy is dead.The CIA is the reason the world is in such the mess that it is so the kennedy assassination still affects us today.
Eisenhower even warned the people in his farewell address to be aware of the military industrial complex and guard against its influence on america.americans of course did not heed that warning and ignored it.Its a good thing Kennedty got elected and not Dick Nixon cause Nixon if he had got elected,he would have tried to bomb russia like the CIA wanted JFK to do and WOULD have gotten us into a nuclear war with them.He even admitted in later years saying-I would have gone in.
See Kennedy inherited the CIA'S war against castro and the bay of pigs from Eisenhower as you already know.It was drawn up during Eisenhowers last year.The CIA they thought their man Nixon would get elected so they already planned the invasion under Nixon.Dick Nixon was running all these secret covert wars for the CIA under Eisenhower when he was vice president under him.so secret,that even Eisenhower did not know about them.So they assumed he was going to get elected and planned the invasion with the thought of Nixon getting elected.when that did not happen,they had to change their plans.
They had it designed under Nixon,where if HE got elected,the invasion would succeed.But when Kennedy got elected,they drew it up so that it would fail so he would look incompetent and the government could say-you guys got the wrong guy in there.They also never thought that kennedy would fire the head brass of the CIA and take full responsibility for the disaster.they thought he was going to play their game and do what he easily could have done but didnt,which is use plausiblie deniability and tell the american people something like-I had no idea this was going on,this invasion was planned by the CIA and I knew nothing about it.He easily could have done that and thats what they thought he would do but what does he do? He stands up in front of the american people and says-I screwed up,I take full responsiblity for this.I knew what was going on and I should have done something about it.that was basically what he told the american people.
and whats he do after that? he goes and fires Alan Dulles the CIA director.This was unpresidented to go and fire the top brass.That of course was his huge mistake.Dulles later wound up of course being the main overseer in charge of the warren commission.that was like asking the fox to guard the henhouse.same thing.
The president is just a puppet for the military industrial complex.The message sent on nov 22nd 1963 was crystal clear to incoming presidents.do what your told,or end up like kennedy.Kennedy was the last true president we had because he wasnt a puppet for the military industrial complex.Thats the way its suppose to be but its not.He did not do what they told him to do and he paid the price for it.He was stepping on some very powerful toes in washinging.By chance have you seen this video,The Obama Deception? if not,I highly recommend you watch it.It goes into great detail how Kennedy was the last true president we had and why he had to be killed by the CIA and how there is no difference between the two parties.I highly recommend it so much I have the link to it in my sig under MUST SEE VIDEO.here it is,please watch it if you havent seen it.
YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version
It's not so much that the CIA itself as a whole had the most to gain from JFK's death but that a faction inside the CIA desired his death. Even J. Edgar didn't muck with these particular guys because he knew what they were capable of. He was also complicit in the whole affair for his own reasons.
Fifteen years ago my wife and I were vacationing in Southern Florida in the Everglades. We had spent four different winters down there in succession since 1994. The second winter in Florida I purchased a boat for use in off-shore and back country fishing. I had met an older retired gentleman the winter previous and a close friendship evolved between the two of us. This older gentleman didn't consider myself and my wife as Yankee's. He said to me one day, "You and ______ are different. You're not like most of them Yankees who come down here and try to bull everybody around." He and many others from South Florida treated us more like their family. This was true of most of the original families we met during the years we spent in the Everglades. They were very gracious and 'looked out' for the both of us. I am to this day endeared to them all and I would very much like to see them again.
During one of the winters in particular my friend the old man and I had a certain conversation. It involved the taking away of the hook and line fisherman's rights. I wanted to know more about how they were put out of business. He told me James Watt got fired and they put this other SOB in there and he cancelled Watt's agreement on keeping the hook and liner's in there. I told the old man that s.o.b. was the governor from the state I was living in at the time. The old man said to me, "If you can get him down here you won't have to worry about buying him a round trip ticket back home. He won't need it. If you can get this done and get him down here you and your wife will never have to work again as long as you live."
I thought he was joking so I asked him, "___ are you serious?" he responded to me, "You can bet your life on it." I asked him what would happen to the man and he said, "We'll do the same thing we did to Kennedy." I asked my old friend, "Do you hate him that much?" He said, "It's not a matter of hate. It's a matter of these s.o.b.'s putting the working people of the country out and getting others killed. They come down here making fun of us and then want help to do their dirty work. We help 'em out and then they ditch our asses and get a bunch of good men killed." I asked him "What do you mean get you killed?" He said, "Kennedy and the Bay Of Pigs. Ever heard of that?" I said "Yeah, but I was just a little kid in grade school back then." I asked him about what happened down there (Cuba) and he told me his version and about how Kennedy welched on his promise for air support and then didn't provide it. He inferred that JFK was just another lying politician whom they had helped get in office. "We put him in there and we took him out." I said, "I thought Oswald killed Kennedy." He said, "That's what you're supposed to think. Look, Oswald never fired a shot. OK? And that's all you ever need to know." He was getting upset so I dropped it and we never talked about it again. This is the last time I'll ever say anything about the matter to anyone. As far as I am concerned, it's over with and done.
does that mean you wont talk to me in more depth about it in a pm? that is some very interesting stuff there.yeah your so right,yeah thats the mistake that everybody makes when you tell them that the CIA did it.they automatically think when you say the CIA killed him that the whole agencys itself authorized it which is not the case.They would never be able to get away with like giving out a memo and telling everybody were going to get rid of kennedy or anything like that.
It wasnt the agency itself that did it but people in high positions of power within the CIA that orchestrated it and pulled it off.these were people in the agency that felt betrayed by Kennedy.Top Brass people planned it and they hired certain agents they knew would keep quiet to pull it off.it wasnt the government itself that pulled it off,but people in high positions of power WITHIN the government.
some people around here,they can admit that there was more than one gunman involved because the evidence is overwhelming there were at least a couple shooters behind the grassy knoll as some witnesses say a gunman firing behind the picket fence.But they dont want to acknowledge their own government did it so they fool themselves by telling themselves the mob did it but the mob alone couldnt have done it cause they did not have the power to to tell the secret service to change the parade route or make the mainstream media go to sleep.
yeah like you said,Hoover didnt muck with the CIA cause he knew the power they had so he knew better than to cross them.He wasnt involved in the planning of the assassination but he knew it was going to happen just like Johnson did.Hoover was more than happy to participate in the coverup and say oswald did it because Im sure you knew that he hated the kennedys like you would not believe,same as Johnson did.Hoover and Johnson had a lot to gain by his assassination like the CIA did as well.Hoover and Johnson were long time buddys,they were next door neighbors with each other growing up.they both hated the kennedys with a passion so they were all too willing to participate in the coverup.
The CIA knew that Kennedy wasnt going to give them their war in vietnam they wanted but they knew Johnson would.Thats why after Johnson got elected,a couple days later he signed memo 273 which REVERSED kennedys memo 263 that he signed a couple weeks before his assassination that called for a complete withdrawel of us troops by 1965.Johnsons memo ESCULATED the war in vietnam.Johnson was more than happy to give the CIA the war they wanted that kennedy would not give them cause they did the favor of getting rid of Kennedy for him making Johnson president.they did him that favor so he returned them the favor they wanted.
btw,just yesterday,since i have been on this thread talking about the kennedy assassination,while i was on lunch i asked two of my coworkers who they thought killed kennedy and they said Oswald..I of course could not believe they responded that way and were not aware of anything else except the official version we were taught in schools.It made me feel good that after I explained to him all the facts of the case that have been talked about in this thread by meself and others such as the thread starter,that they now dont believe the official version anymore and noe believe that the CIA did it.They are aware of other government corruption going on in the country so they easily had no problems changing their minds about it all.
Did "meself" (too fucking funny) happen to explain to your co-inmates errrr coworkers why Cuba is still there if, Kennedy was popped because he didn't invade Cuba, removed his support for going into Cuba, and, in your view, the CIA still terrorizes every President since then?
Probably not since the whole fairy tale is made up to start with.
