LDS Apostle Boyd Packer dies

[amrchaos]

There is only one jesus Christ.

So, Jesus pulled a Saul on this guy? Because Jesus has been dead for like 2000 years.

Then you haven't read the new testament or asked God because Jesus was only dead 3 days. He has been alive for these past 2000+ years

But Jesus did pull a Saul on this guy, right? You know, appeared to him out of nowhere and gave him the message that he now belongs to Jesus and should teach the teachings of the LDS church.

Or something along those lines....

 

[Avatar4321]

It says He loves His people unconditionally. So much so that He will die for them even while they reject Him.

It also tells us that He will not force us into heaven and happiness. He gives us the freedom to choose our own way.

 

[Avatar4321]

A few words from one of his recent conference addresses.

The Witness - Boyd K. Packer

After all the years that I have lived and taught and served, after the millions of miles I have traveled around the world, with all that I have experienced, there is one great truth that I would share. That is my witness of the Savior Jesus Christ.

Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon recorded the following after a sacred experience:

“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him” (D&C 76:22–23).

Their words are my words.

I believe and I am sure that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that He lives. He is the Only Begotten of the Father, and “by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:24).

I bear my witness that the Savior lives. I know the Lord. I am His witness. I know of His great sacrifice and eternal love for all of Heavenly Father’s children. I bear my special witness in all humility but with absolute certainty, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen

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[Carla_Danger]

Is he going to planet Kolob?

Kolob isn't a planet.

If you are going to mock at least try to be accurate. Otherwise you just look ridiculous.

Are you sure about that?

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star" it also refers to planets as "stars", and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.

Kolob - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[onefour1]

So which is correct, the Jesus of the King James Bible that never visited North America or the Mormon Jesus who visited North America?

Can't be both.

why not? Because you've created a false dichotomy?

Jesus appeared to the scattered sheep of the house of Israel throughout the world. We only have the record of His preaching in two of the countless locations.

One would think Jesus might have said "hey Jews, this is important. Write this stuff down and make sure you don't wait 1800 years before you tell folks I was here. You know because of Salvation and whatnot"

He did tell them to write it down.and his it away until the dispensation of the fullness of time.

The scriptures are clear that the Lord will do a work in the latter days to gather Israel in preparation for His return. The coming forth of the Book of Mormon is the opening of of that restoration. The Lord was preparing it for thousands of years.

Or do you think it's a coincidence that the Lord spent centuries drawing people out of Europe and establishing this nation as a nation where we have the freedom to worship as we choose? This was vital preparatory work before the restoration could begin and thrive.

Considering it took 1500 years for the bible to be put in the hands of the people, a few hundred more years is hardly a blink of an eye in God's point of view.

What's that say about Jehovah/Jesus? He comes to save the Jews as their messiah, but it's only after the Jews reject Him that the gentiles are worthy of the message? That it's such a good message that rather than tell everyone at the same time He only tells a few and lets the vast majority of humans since the 1st Century just go without because it suits Him?

And with just those few men Christianity spread like wildfire insomuch that the Roman Emperor Constantine had to accept it rather than fight against it. Christianity is a world religion even today. What was told to a few was past on to all that would accept it and they heard the same message and the church grew massively. Everyone here on earth whether in body or spirit will eventually hear the message and will have to decide whether to accept it or reject it.

 

[onefour1]

Regarding Kolob the scriptures say:

Abraham 3
1 And I, Abraham, had the Urim and Thummim, which the Lord my God had given unto me, in Ur of the Chaldees;
2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it;
3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.
4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
5 And the Lord said unto me: The planet which is the lesser light, lesser than that which is to rule the day, even the night, is above or greater than that upon which thou standest in point of reckoning, for it moveth in order more slow; this is in order because it standeth above the earth upon which thou standest, therefore the reckoning of its time is not so many as to its number of days, and of months, and of years.
6 And the Lord said unto me: Now, Abraham, these two facts exist, behold thine eyes see it; it is given unto thee to know the times of reckoning, and the set time, yea, the set time of the earth upon which thou standest, and the set time of the greater light which is set to rule the day, and the set time of the lesser light which is set to rule the night.
7 Now the set time of the lesser light is a longer time as to its reckoning than the reckoning of the time of the earth upon which thou standest.
8 And where these two facts exist, there shall be another fact above them, that is, there shall be another planet whose reckoning of time shall be longer still;
9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.
10 And it is given unto thee to know the set time of all the stars that are set to give light, until thou come near unto the throne of God.
11 Thus I, Abraham, talked with the Lord, face to face, as one man talketh with another; and he told me of the works which his hands had made;
12 And he said unto me: My son, my son (and his hand was stretched out), behold I will show you all these. And he put his hand upon mine eyes, and I saw those things which his hands had made, which were many; and they multiplied before mine eyes, and I could not see the end thereof.
13 And he said unto me: This is Shinehah, which is the sun. And he said unto me: Kokob, which is star. And he said unto me: Olea, which is the moon. And he said unto me: Kokaubeam, which signifies stars, or all the great lights, which were in the firmament of heaven.
14 And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these; and if thou canst count the number of sands, so shall be the number of thy seeds.
15 And the Lord said unto me: Abraham, I show these things unto thee before ye go into Egypt, that ye may declare all these words.
16 If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them; therefore Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me.
17 Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it; and there is nothing that the Lord thy God shall take in his heart to do but what he will do it.
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.
20 The Lord thy God sent his angel to deliver thee from the hands of the priest of Elkenah.
21 I dwell in the midst of them all; I now, therefore, have come down unto thee to declare unto thee the works which my hands have made, wherein my wisdom excelleth them all, for I rule in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath, in all wisdom and prudence, over all the intelligences thine eyes have seen from the beginning; I came down in the beginning in the midst of all the intelligences thou hast seen.
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;
25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

 

[Avatar4321]

Is he going to planet Kolob?

Kolob isn't a planet.

If you are going to mock at least try to be accurate. Otherwise you just look ridiculous.

Are you sure about that?

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star" it also refers to planets as "stars", and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.

Kolob - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A star is not a planet. No matter what Wikipedia writes. Personally I find original sources better than Wikipedia.

Besides which you are completely ignoring the context of the chapter in which the stars represent mankind and kolob is a representation of Jesus Christ who is the one closest to God.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Is he going to planet Kolob?

Kolob isn't a planet.

If you are going to mock at least try to be accurate. Otherwise you just look ridiculous.

Are you sure about that?

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star" it also refers to planets as "stars", and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.

Kolob - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A star is not a planet. No matter what Wikipedia writes. Personally I find original sources better than Wikipedia.

Besides which you are completely ignoring the context of the chapter in which the stars represent mankind and kolob is a representation of Jesus Christ who is the one closest to God.

I don't really care if Mormon's refer to Kolob as a star or planet. I just wanna know if this Boyd Packer is moving to the Kolab star/planet, or does he get his own star/planet?

 

[tyroneweaver]

He is the first Apostle that I had shaken hands with. A true representative of the Lord. Church News Site Article.

When I got off the plane from my mission to Australia there was President Packer
Of course his son Ken flew home with me
Ken had kind of a hot temper and would draw pictures of cowboys and horses during church.

 

[tyroneweaver]

The second was Bruce R. McConkie.

I have 6 copies of 1st edition Mormon Doctrine
2 are autographed and 1 is personalized to my parents when dad was a stake president

 

[ninja007]

The Plain Truth about the Mormons

 

[Avatar4321]

Is he going to planet Kolob?

Kolob isn't a planet.

If you are going to mock at least try to be accurate. Otherwise you just look ridiculous.

Are you sure about that?

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star" it also refers to planets as "stars", and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.

Kolob - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A star is not a planet. No matter what Wikipedia writes. Personally I find original sources better than Wikipedia.

Besides which you are completely ignoring the context of the chapter in which the stars represent mankind and kolob is a representation of Jesus Christ who is the one closest to God.

I don't really care if Mormon's refer to Kolob as a star or planet. I just wanna know if this Boyd Packer is moving to the Kolab star/planet, or does he get his own star/planet?

Which is precisely the point. You arent concerned about truth, understanding, or accuracy. You want to mock.

If you try to understand others, you might learn something.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Plain Truth about the Mormons

One of these days maybe you'll discuss things without for yourself. And hopefully you'll study the Book of Mormon for yourself instead of relying on what others say

 

[Avatar4321]

Guided by the Holy Spirit - Boyd K. Packer

"If you are carrying some burden, forget it, let it alone. Do a lot of forgiving and a little repenting, and you will be visited by the Spirit of the Holy Ghost and confirmed by the testimony that you did not know existed. You will be watched over and blessed—you and yours."

 

[amrchaos]

Finally got it

An LDS apostle is like a special elder in the church. Jesus Christ does not appoint them, they are selected by other men.

Even the Catholic church uses different terms to distinguish leaders in their church and those first selected directly by Jesus. LDS terminology is confusing.

 

[ninja007]

The Plain Truth about the Mormons

One of these days maybe you'll discuss things without for yourself. And hopefully you'll study the Book of Mormon for yourself instead of relying on what others say

I dont need to read it.

Difficult Questions for Mormons to answer

 

[Avatar4321]

Finally got it

An LDS apostle is like a special elder in the church. Jesus Christ does not appoint them, they are selected by other men.

Even the Catholic church uses different terms to distinguish leaders in their church and those first selected directly by Jesus. LDS terminology is confusing.

They are called through revelation. Much like Mathias was.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Plain Truth about the Mormons

One of these days maybe you'll discuss things without for yourself. And hopefully you'll study the Book of Mormon for yourself instead of relying on what others say

I dont need to read it.

Difficult Questions for Mormons to answer

Yeah heaven forbid. You might learn something.

 

[Taz]

The Plain Truth about the Mormons

One of these days maybe you'll discuss things without for yourself. And hopefully you'll study the Book of Mormon for yourself instead of relying on what others say

I tried, it's just full of made up stories about a bunch of random people.

 

[amrchaos]

Finally got it

An LDS apostle is like a special elder in the church. Jesus Christ does not appoint them, they are selected by other men.

Even the Catholic church uses different terms to distinguish leaders in their church and those first selected directly by Jesus. LDS terminology is confusing.

They are called through revelation. Much like Mathias was.

So they are 'false' apostles like Mathias. Despite how the apostles feel, Judas is still an apostle. Judas is the 'fallen' apostle.

'false' apostle sounds negative and the church had to come up with another name for those elected by the clergy to leadership positions.

P.S. Mathias did walk with Jesus during the time of the Gospel, but he was not chosen by Jesus. Only Jesus choses his apostles--it is not an elected position.