Krugman Advocates for DEATH & TAXES

[8537]

Benefits for peace time service, for one.

Ah, indeed - that is a very significant change.

 

[daveman]

 

[daveman]

Compensation for Soldiers who served the country and gave up years of education or career progress is earned - not to be confused with welfare entitlements.

It's socialism.

Pure and unadulterated..Socialism.

yes it is. volunteers used to be called mercenaries. pay for war.

bring back the draft with a national service system.

No draft. Period.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's socialism.

Pure and unadulterated..Socialism.

yes it is. volunteers used to be called mercenaries. pay for war.

bring back the draft with a national service system.

No draft. Period.

The USA did wonderful with the draft. A great equalizer.

Does anyone seriously think we would have stayed in Iraq and Afghanistan as long as we have if a draft had been in effect?


bring back the draft under a national service program.

more socialism now!

 

[daveman]

yes it is. volunteers used to be called mercenaries. pay for war.

bring back the draft with a national service system.

No draft. Period.

The USA did wonderful with the draft. A great equalizer.

Does anyone seriously think we would have stayed in Iraq and Afghanistan as long as we have if a draft had been in effect?


bring back the draft under a national service program.

more socialism now!

In case you haven't noticed, the armed forces have advanced technologically since we had a draft. You expect conscripts to be about to do as well as volunteers?

I don't. I'd much rather serve alongside someone who wants to be there and is motivated to excel than someone who has to be there.

 

[asterism]

Compensation for Soldiers who served the country and gave up years of education or career progress...

do you know who many of these soldiers are? most are better off for having joined. in the real world many would most likely have done worse without the free education and opportunity they get for serving.

until recently (911) many who served had a great deal. no action, no long wars, lots of boredom...

I say bring back the draft so we stop having this hiding behind a warrior class bullcrap.

veteran's benefits should be on the table. not all who serve for varying amounts of time deserve the same benefits. we all know lots of vets who abuse the system.

war time service deserves to be treated differently. we acknowledge this by paying more for hazardous duty.

Ok, now you're just ignorant. How much of a difference does that extra $200 per month actually make?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Compensation for Soldiers who served the country and gave up years of education or career progress...

do you know who many of these soldiers are? most are better off for having joined. in the real world many would most likely have done worse without the free education and opportunity they get for serving.

until recently (911) many who served had a great deal. no action, no long wars, lots of boredom...

I say bring back the draft so we stop having this hiding behind a warrior class bullcrap.

veteran's benefits should be on the table. not all who serve for varying amounts of time deserve the same benefits. we all know lots of vets who abuse the system.

war time service deserves to be treated differently. we acknowledge this by paying more for hazardous duty.

Ok, now you're just ignorant. How much of a difference does that extra $200 per month actually make?

It is extra pay for hazardous duty. I am sure it make a difference for some people. If it didn't they would...


"we all know people scamming the veteran's administration system."

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

No draft. Period.

The USA did wonderful with the draft. A great equalizer.

Does anyone seriously think we would have stayed in Iraq and Afghanistan as long as we have if a draft had been in effect?


bring back the draft under a national service program.

more socialism now!

In case you haven't noticed, the armed forces have advanced technologically since we had a draft. You expect conscripts to be about to do as well as volunteers?

I don't. I'd much rather serve alongside someone who wants to be there and is motivated to excel than someone who has to be there.

advanced technology? Oh my!!!!! Draftees were used when nuclear technology was introduced into the military.

How much has general staff pay and benefits increased since the draft was canceled?

 

[Oddball]

Compensation for Soldiers who served the country and gave up years of education or career progress is earned - not to be confused with welfare entitlements.

The GI bill went far, far beyond providing compensation. It created a wide range of social welfare programs for returning GI's. It was the largest example of social engineering this nation has ever created, and it was not done simply to "benefit" soldiers in exchange for their efforts.

Wrong, yet again.

The GIs had choice as to whether they'd further their education or not...Do-gooder social engineers prefer to force everyone into the technocratic mold.

 

[Oddball]

The U.S. has been heavily impacted by Progressive Policies for over a century.

and what a terrible century it's been! The creation of the middle class, a quintupling of real incomes, an end to child labor, the advent of workforce safety standards, a dramatic rise in productivity with an equal decline in per-unit pollutants, the greatest revolution food production since the advent of agriculture allowing 2% of the population to produce enough food to feed the other 98%, an extension in life expectancy, the invention of a wide range of medicines that improved both the quality of life and it's length...


Other than that, what good has possibly come?

Technological advances explain those much better than merely being a product of progressive authoritarian central control.


OTOH, progressives can hang their hats on exploding levels of debt and bureaucracy, direct taxes on individual production, a central banking cartel/monopoly that has utterly destroyed the value of the USD, alcohol & drug prohibition and attendant gang violence in the streets, involvement in numerous interventionist foreign wars and expansion of the military-industrial complex, the environmental disasters of the TVA, Oak Ridge, Rocky Flats and uncounted other military arsenals...the list goes on and on....

 

[8537]

Compensation for Soldiers who served the country and gave up years of education or career progress is earned - not to be confused with welfare entitlements.

The GI bill went far, far beyond providing compensation. It created a wide range of social welfare programs for returning GI's. It was the largest example of social engineering this nation has ever created, and it was not done simply to "benefit" soldiers in exchange for their efforts.

Wrong, yet again.

The GIs had choice as to whether they'd further their education or not...Do-gooder social engineers prefer to force everyone into the technocratic mold.

Of course! and welfare recipients have a choice as to whether to participate in TANF.

Your streak continues, Tom!

 

[8537]

The U.S. has been heavily impacted by Progressive Policies for over a century.

and what a terrible century it's been! The creation of the middle class, a quintupling of real incomes, an end to child labor, the advent of workforce safety standards, a dramatic rise in productivity with an equal decline in per-unit pollutants, the greatest revolution food production since the advent of agriculture allowing 2% of the population to produce enough food to feed the other 98%, an extension in life expectancy, the invention of a wide range of medicines that improved both the quality of life and it's length...


Other than that, what good has possibly come?

Technological advances explain those much better than merely being a product of progressive authoritarian central control.

Technology led to the end of child labor? Technology forced companies to control pollution levels? Methinks you have the cause and effect backwards there, Tom.

And of course, you forget that as it pertains to medicine, much of the advancements in the past century were based on research from (gasp!) subsidized educational institutions, the NIH and (double gasp!!) government-issued grants.

 

[boedicca]

There's a big difference: soldiers perform a valuable service to the country; welfare recipients don't.

And I note that Nonsensical Number has no idea how innovation happens in the real world.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

There's a big difference: soldiers perform a valuable service to the country; welfare recipients don't.

And I note that Nonsensical Number has no idea how innovation happens in the real world.

lots and lots of service people with bad discharges or discharges under less than honorable conditions who end up as drug addicts and drunks and worse, get their discharges upgraded. they then scam the system.

a welfare program for veterans is still a welfare program.

what did real Americans do before the G.I. Bill? what did our founding fathers say?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The GI bill went far, far beyond providing compensation. It created a wide range of social welfare programs for returning GI's. It was the largest example of social engineering this nation has ever created, and it was not done simply to "benefit" soldiers in exchange for their efforts.

Wrong, yet again.

The GIs had choice as to whether they'd further their education or not...Do-gooder social engineers prefer to force everyone into the technocratic mold.

Of course! and welfare recipients have a choice as to whether to participate in TANF.

Your streak continues, Tom!

Oddball Dude is Tom turkey?

 

[boedicca]

Of all the things about our current government which would bother the Founders, there are many that are much worse than benefits for veterans who served on the field of battle.

Your outrage is grossly misplaced.

As to Vietnam Vets who are addicts, perhaps we should look at how such vets were treated in the first place...and how that war was mismanaged by our fearful leaders.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Of all the things about our current government which would bother the Founders, there are many that are much worse than benefits for veterans who served on the field of battle.

Your outrage is grossly misplaced.

As to Vietnam Vets who are addicts, perhaps we should look at how such vets were treated in the first place...and how that war was mismanaged by our fearful leaders.

The founding fathers never saw fit to use welfare programs for war veterans. Defending America was viewed as a duty, not a pay check.

If I had a nickle for every Vietnam Era vet I exposed as a fraud and a liar, I'd set up a foundation for the mentally challenged.

many of the addicts attempt to attribute their addictions to the war. bullshit

and teh drunks and other losers? please

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Berwick is much more concerned with rationing supply than ensuring a climate which encourages individual care.

One of the three pieces of the IHI's Triple Aim is patient-centered care. Is that somehow unclear?

That's not what Krugman said and he has a Noble Prize so you would assume he knows what he's talking about, right?

Uh, no. Krugman is either a blithering idiot or a proflagate liar. Or better yet, both.

 

[Oddball]

and what a terrible century it's been! The creation of the middle class, a quintupling of real incomes, an end to child labor, the advent of workforce safety standards, a dramatic rise in productivity with an equal decline in per-unit pollutants, the greatest revolution food production since the advent of agriculture allowing 2% of the population to produce enough food to feed the other 98%, an extension in life expectancy, the invention of a wide range of medicines that improved both the quality of life and it's length...


Other than that, what good has possibly come?

Technological advances explain those much better than merely being a product of progressive authoritarian central control.

Technology led to the end of child labor? Technology forced companies to control pollution levels? Methinks you have the cause and effect backwards there, Tom.

And of course, you forget that as it pertains to medicine, much of the advancements in the past century were based on research from (gasp!) subsidized educational institutions, the NIH and (double gasp!!) government-issued grants.

Technology made child labor and slave labor too expensive. Moreover, pollution = waste, which affects bottom lines...Of course, you conveniently overlook the greatest industrial polluter in America: the US federal gubmint.

Your comment about NIH and gubmint grants is non sequitur, as it presumes those medical breakthroughs wouldn't have been made in absence of those confiscatory redistributionist schemes, which you damned well know is a fallacious presumption.

But I really don't expect know-it-all central authoritarian types to admit that the hoi polloiy can actually figure out things for themselves, without your technocratic do-goodery at our heels every step of the way.

 

[Avatar4321]

He really doesnt have to advocate for death and taxes. Those are the two things that are inevitable.