Koch Bros. vs. Libertarians (Cato takeover?)

[TakeAStepBack]

And yet the account is pretty damn accurate. Go figure.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

What about their account was funny?

Red State does not have a reputation for accurate accounts, no matter how much CNN tries to legitimize Erick "Erick" Erickson.

Well they got this one right. Maybe you'd like to comment on what was actually said, rather than dismissing it out of hand?

 

[Synthaholic]

Control freaks looking to buy control of conservative politics. Of course they could be easily stymied if tea party supporters would just refuse to allow them, not going to happen.

The Kochs own the tea party.

And Soros owns the OWS....

.....looks like the Kochs' got the better deal, huh?

The difference is: you cannot (and I predict WILL not) provide any evidence of Soros controlling OWS.

 

[Synthaholic]

And yet the account is pretty damn accurate. Go figure.

"decides to act like a Liberal"?

This is what you wingnuts refer to as "unbiased, fact-based fair and balanced reporting"?


He then goes on - in the first paragraph - to get it wrong:

Ed Crane, the President of Cato, has no viable legal argument and it seemed to me he was just taking advantage of the current left-wing hate against the Koch’s to try to garner some sympathy for an organization nobody has really cared about in more than a decade.
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Ed Crane has not claimed a legal argument. The widow of Niskansen has the legal argument.

Like I said: not known for their accuracy.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

And yet the account is pretty damn accurate. Go figure.

"decides to act like a Liberal"?

This is what you wingnuts refer to as "unbiased, fact-based fair and balanced reporting"?


He then goes on - in the first paragraph - to get it wrong:

Ed Crane, the President of Cato, has no viable legal argument and it seemed to me he was just taking advantage of the current left-wing hate against the Koch’s to try to garner some sympathy for an organization nobody has really cared about in more than a decade.
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Ed Crane has not claimed a legal argument. The widow of Niskansen has the legal argument.

Like I said: not known for their accuracy.

That RedState is a partisan website was never in question. The point of the article is to say that Ed Crane is trying to paint the Kochs as villains for doing to him what he has done to others, namely Murray Rothbard, and working within the framework that he had a hand in setting up. That's an accurate account of what's happening.

 

[Synthaholic]

And yet the account is pretty damn accurate. Go figure.

"decides to act like a Liberal"?

This is what you wingnuts refer to as "unbiased, fact-based fair and balanced reporting"?


He then goes on - in the first paragraph - to get it wrong:

Ed Crane, the President of Cato, has no viable legal argument and it seemed to me he was just taking advantage of the current left-wing hate against the Koch’s to try to garner some sympathy for an organization nobody has really cared about in more than a decade.
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Ed Crane has not claimed a legal argument. The widow of Niskansen has the legal argument.

Like I said: not known for their accuracy.

That RedState is a partisan website was never in question. The point of the article is to say that Ed Crane is trying to paint the Kochs as villains for doing to him what he has done to others, namely Murray Rothbard, and working within the framework that he had a hand in setting up. That's an accurate account of what's happening.

And I don't think that is accurate at all. What I see the story being about is the Koch Bros. wanting to remake Libertarianism in their image. Just like they have done with the conservative movement.

Individual mandate: conservative idea
Cap and Trade: conservative idea

Now, after Koch involvement in waking up the low information voters with bumper sticker slogans, these are now supposedly 'Socialism'.

And the saps buy it.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

And yet the account is pretty damn accurate. Go figure.

"decides to act like a Liberal"?

This is what you wingnuts refer to as "unbiased, fact-based fair and balanced reporting"?


He then goes on - in the first paragraph - to get it wrong:

Ed Crane, the President of Cato, has no viable legal argument and it seemed to me he was just taking advantage of the current left-wing hate against the Koch’s to try to garner some sympathy for an organization nobody has really cared about in more than a decade.
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Ed Crane has not claimed a legal argument. The widow of Niskansen has the legal argument.

Like I said: not known for their accuracy.

While it is certainly partisan, it is also factual.

That is what todays lolberals do. they cry foul in the media over things they themselves in fact do. I see no wrong in that statement. And yet, the account of what Ed Crane is attempting against the Koch bros. is true.

 

[Old Rocks]

But Crane said no to a couple of billionaires, utter heresy to the Kochsuckers on this board.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And Soros owns the OWS....

.....looks like the Kochs' got the better deal, huh?

If the price is a penny per IQ point, I could buy the OWS with the change in my pocket.....

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

"decides to act like a Liberal"?

This is what you wingnuts refer to as "unbiased, fact-based fair and balanced reporting"?


He then goes on - in the first paragraph - to get it wrong:

Ed Crane, the President of Cato, has no viable legal argument and it seemed to me he was just taking advantage of the current left-wing hate against the Koch’s to try to garner some sympathy for an organization nobody has really cared about in more than a decade.
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Ed Crane has not claimed a legal argument. The widow of Niskansen has the legal argument.

Like I said: not known for their accuracy.

That RedState is a partisan website was never in question. The point of the article is to say that Ed Crane is trying to paint the Kochs as villains for doing to him what he has done to others, namely Murray Rothbard, and working within the framework that he had a hand in setting up. That's an accurate account of what's happening.

And I don't think that is accurate at all. What I see the story being about is the Koch Bros. wanting to remake Libertarianism in their image. Just like they have done with the conservative movement.

Individual mandate: conservative idea
Cap and Trade: conservative idea

Now, after Koch involvement in waking up the low information voters with bumper sticker slogans, these are now supposedly 'Socialism'.

And the saps buy it.

Libertarianism is not dependent on the Cato Institute. Some would say, myself included, that you can hardly even call Cato libertarian. This has nothing to do with the Kochs "taking over" libertarianism, as if that were even possible. It has to do with them ousting Ed Crane from the Cato Institute using the structure that the Kochs and Ed Crane set up when they created the Cato Institute in the first place.

If you're really worried about libertarianism, however, then you can rest easy.

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Libertarianism will be just fine regardless of what happens with the Cato Institute.

 

[copsnrobbers]

You all should actually read the entire article.

Why, nothing worth while in there. Like you its worthless.

 

[JWBooth]

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Ludwig von Mises Institute : The Austrian School Is Advancing Liberty
Foundation for Economic Education | Home to freedom and prosperity, and free-market education for over 50 years
Welcome to The Future of Freedom Foundation

Libertarianism will be just fine regardless of what happens with the Cato Institute.

I believe that libertarianism will be better served once Cato is swept away.

 

[editec]

Cato is only the most respected "libertarian" think tank among non-libertarians.

I agree with Kevin's assessment.

While I often disagree with CATO's POV, I trust the organization not to LIE outright.

Naturally the KOCH bros could use that credibility to advance LIES if they take it over.

 

[sparky]

This is confusing because the Koch's basically subscribe to their brand of libertopia....~S~

 

[Oscar Wao]

It's a tragedy, considering how much CATO has done for the cause of liberty.

 

[Oscar Wao]

Cato is bought and paid for by the Kochs, pretty always has been, especially since the purge of Rothbard. It has sought to paint an acceptable-to-the-inside-the-beltway-crowd face on Libertarianism and has done a disservice to that spectrum of political thought.

The Kochs fund like, 8% of Cato's funding. 4% in the past decade. Yes, CATO is REALLY Koch-controlled. *eye roll*

What NEEDS to be prevented is Koch CONTROL. We don't need a quality institution to be permeated by Republican hacks.

 

[editec]

This is confusing because the Koch's basically subscribe to their brand of libertopia....~S~

They subscribe to the RHETORIC of libertarianism, perhaps.

But in practice what they subscribe to is cronnyism or as our right wing fanatics like to call it socialism for the elite

 

[sparky]

This is confusing because the Koch's basically subscribe to their brand of libertopia....~S~

They subscribe to the RHETORIC of libertarianism, perhaps.

But in practice what they subscribe to is cronnyism or as our right wing fanatics like to call it socialism for the elite

but libertopia has always been a bit of a fairytale in that it essentially is dependent on those elements Editec

these underling creations, Cato, the Tea Party, etc usually ignore the facts for the idealism handed down to them

that they should 'bite the hand that feeds' here is huge

still can't get a handle on why.....

~S~

 

[Uncensored2008]

They subscribe to the RHETORIC of libertarianism, perhaps.

But in practice what they subscribe to is cronnyism or as our right wing fanatics like to call it socialism for the elite

Bullshit.

You subscribe to "divide and conquer," seeking to create and inflame division among the enemies of your party.

 

[Paulie]

Cato is only the most respected "libertarian" think tank among non-libertarians.

I agree with Kevin's assessment.

While I often disagree with CATO's POV, I trust the organization not to LIE outright.

Naturally the KOCH bros could use that credibility to advance LIES if they take it over.

I think you misunderstood Kevin's post. He's saying that NON-libertarians see Cato as the most respected libertarian think tank. REAL libertarians recognize that it's just another establishment tool to manipulate the libertarian cause.