Kim Jong Un accepts Trump's invitation to Washington: report

[KGB]

Why are you upset that he and Trump seem to be getting along?

I don't like my presidents to be too chummy with dictators giving them propaganda wins and raising their international stature.

North Korea hasn't earned the right to meet with a U.S President, Just like Russia doesn't deserve to be in the G8, it was charity that they were there in the first place.

FDR called Stalin “Uncle Joe”...

Fact is there are countries out there with dictatorships & little personal freedom. We still have to live with them whether we like it or not...

Well, without 'Uncle Joe' (named so by the media, not FDR) we would have been in deep shit so I guess we got something out of that, didn't we? What have we gotten from Kim? Nada.

Yes we got a Cold War & the threat of nuclear annihilation from Uncle Joe. Great deal there!

So, what should we have done? Are you really wanting to blame FDR for the rise of the USSR? That's batshit crazy considering he died before the end of the war. What would you have had us do? At least we won the war thanks to the help of all our allies, we got something there.

I honestly don’t get you lefties sometimes. You say no war under any circumstances but you’re against dilplomacy because Trump happens to be the one doing it.

For starters, I don't know anyone who says 'no war under any circumstances', we just don't like bullshit wars over fake WMDs or starting an unproductive twitter spat that we will most likely see again.

I'm also not against diplomacy or negotiating with North Korea, I certainly don't know anyone who has said that except for the Trumpists here who wanted to nuke North Korea during that whole idiotic 'rocketman' shit.

There was no “deal” made in Singapore. There was only a framework started.

No shit. Once again, nobody is claiming a deal was made. What was made is that we gave Kim his globa debutante ball for which Kim will use for his own propaganda purposes like we always knew they would. We also apparently without South Korea's knowledge and tipping off China have decided stop our military training with our ally on the peninsula, according to Trump those military exercises are 'provocative' which is exactly what North Korea had been calling them for years. Trump literally used North Korea's words of propaganda.

As a bonus we get to hear the President of the United States tell the world that Kim loves his people, another propaganda win for NK. Not to mention that Kim is also smart, funny and a strong leader. All Kim had to do to get this is sign a fucking piece of paper saying they will work towards denucleariztion, even though they've already done that in the past and broke their word.

This is how countries conduct business. Not every country is a model of Jeffersonian Democracy, but guess what, we have to find a way to get along. Having some stability on the peninsula would help us immensely.

This is not how countries conduct business with rogue dictatorships who have broken every promise, starved, tortured and murdered it's own people. Kidnapped citizens from Japan and South Korea on their own land and fired missiles over our allies and threatened nuclear destruction.

We have to find a way to get along, that's funny. Why not just let North Korea do whatever it wants, so far that appears to be Trump's plan. Why not just open up trade now? That's a way to 'get along', isn't it?

So all you are worried about is some propaganda points the Kim regime may rack up?? All of these other countries who are clearly lining up to become the next North Korea..

North Korea has been breaking agreements since 1994 when Carter went over there & we tried to pay them off.

And this Iran “deal”...great deal there. Let’s give billions to a rogue regime who murders its own citizens, threatens war in a strategic location, threatens Israel & promotes terrorism. Oh yes, what a deal! Sound familiar?

 

[DJT for Life]

Maybe RocketMan has finally figured out what he is missing all over the world instead of being hidden in his kingdom...and wants to party? lol

Did you miss the memo? It's no longer Rocket Man, it's friend, strong leader and 'he's a funny guy'.

Also, let's not forget, a smart cookie and honorable. I think we have a new bromance here. Putin might be jealous.

No big deal, both of them are our allies now.

I always wanted to switch sides and be apart of the axis of evil said no American ever.

That makes sense. Just like in WWII...correct? To fight the 3rd worst
mass murderer in History, Adolph Hitler...America allied itself with the
2nd and 1st mass murderers...Stalin and Mao.

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't like my presidents to be too chummy with dictators giving them propaganda wins and raising their international stature.

North Korea hasn't earned the right to meet with a U.S President, Just like Russia doesn't deserve to be in the G8, it was charity that they were there in the first place.

FDR called Stalin “Uncle Joe”...

Fact is there are countries out there with dictatorships & little personal freedom. We still have to live with them whether we like it or not...

Well, without 'Uncle Joe' (named so by the media, not FDR) we would have been in deep shit so I guess we got something out of that, didn't we? What have we gotten from Kim? Nada.

Yes we got a Cold War & the threat of nuclear annihilation from Uncle Joe. Great deal there!

So, what should we have done? Are you really wanting to blame FDR for the rise of the USSR? That's batshit crazy considering he died before the end of the war. What would you have had us do? At least we won the war thanks to the help of all our allies, we got something there.

I honestly don’t get you lefties sometimes. You say no war under any circumstances but you’re against dilplomacy because Trump happens to be the one doing it.

For starters, I don't know anyone who says 'no war under any circumstances', we just don't like bullshit wars over fake WMDs or starting an unproductive twitter spat that we will most likely see again.

I'm also not against diplomacy or negotiating with North Korea, I certainly don't know anyone who has said that except for the Trumpists here who wanted to nuke North Korea during that whole idiotic 'rocketman' shit.

There was no “deal” made in Singapore. There was only a framework started.

No shit. Once again, nobody is claiming a deal was made. What was made is that we gave Kim his globa debutante ball for which Kim will use for his own propaganda purposes like we always knew they would. We also apparently without South Korea's knowledge and tipping off China have decided stop our military training with our ally on the peninsula, according to Trump those military exercises are 'provocative' which is exactly what North Korea had been calling them for years. Trump literally used North Korea's words of propaganda.

As a bonus we get to hear the President of the United States tell the world that Kim loves his people, another propaganda win for NK. Not to mention that Kim is also smart, funny and a strong leader. All Kim had to do to get this is sign a fucking piece of paper saying they will work towards denucleariztion, even though they've already done that in the past and broke their word.

This is how countries conduct business. Not every country is a model of Jeffersonian Democracy, but guess what, we have to find a way to get along. Having some stability on the peninsula would help us immensely.

This is not how countries conduct business with rogue dictatorships who have broken every promise, starved, tortured and murdered it's own people. Kidnapped citizens from Japan and South Korea on their own land and fired missiles over our allies and threatened nuclear destruction.

We have to find a way to get along, that's funny. Why not just let North Korea do whatever it wants, so far that appears to be Trump's plan. Why not just open up trade now? That's a way to 'get along', isn't it?

So all you are worried about is some propaganda points the Kim regime may rack up?? All of these other countries who are clearly lining up to become the next North Korea..

It can strengthen North Korea's resolve, why negotiate when they are going to get what they want anyway? Also, I just don't trust Trump, I think he's an imbecile because like you he doesn't really understand the gravity and weight this summit meeting meant to North Korea. It could have been used as a bargaining chip and it was just pissed away.

North Korea has been breaking agreements since 1994 when Carter went over there & we tried to pay them off.

Yep and now Trump is declaring the trust he has for Kim. Fancy that. You could say that is some sort of Jedi mind trick Trump is trying to play on Kim, but who would be that stupid? Instead we end up with a United States president fawning over a murderous dictator twit.

And this Iran “deal”...great deal there. Let’s give billions to a rogue regime who murders its own citizens, threatens war in a strategic location, threatens Israel & promotes terrorism. Oh yes, what a deal!

Just to be clear you're against any sort of financial aid to North Korea? I mean that would be our own money not just giving back Iran what is rightfully theirs. Is that your stand?

How are we going to confirm North Korea has gotten rid of it's nuclear program? Take their word for it, what's the process?

 

[gtopa1]

It seems for real this time. I think North Korea is beginning a new chapter.

Kim Jong Un accepts Trump's invitation to Washington: report

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has accepted President Trump's invitation to visit Washington, D.C., North Korea's Korean Central News Agency reported Tuesday evening.

The news comes after the two leaders met for an historic summit in Singapore earlier Tuesday, signing a document committing the U.S. to unspecified "security guarantees" in exchange for a denuclearized Korean Peninsula.

mmm; more Teng Xiaoping than Mao maybe. I'm still out on it, but maybe..... A good sign is that Kim's killing off the old power brokers....cool. Wish I could have helped with that.

Greg

 

[Ame®icano]

Not long ago the drum beats of War were making the beat. Japan was preparing to beef up it's military and were warning that more shots fired into the Sea of Japan would lead to War.....................

And now the missiles are silent................possible deal to end the nukes there..............

Which would you rather have..................War or a possible Peace..........

Seems the left now wants War...............Perhaps we should have blown some shit up ..............then they might want Peace again.

I hate

On what basis?

Every basis?

That won't do, sorry.

Exactly what criteria do you think is requisite?

For starters to account for and return all hostages they are keeping from other countries. While were at it a release of all political prisoners. A pledge to stop enriching uranium or buying it and setting up a system of verification. Hell, just verifying where their nuclear facilities are and allowing for the international community to confirm would be nice.

A meeting with a sitting U.S. president should be a reward merely because it's something they want. Now that card is off the table and we got nothing for it.

Now can you please return from fantasy-land and name one successful peace deal with a nuclear-armed enemy which has been achieved with the same criteria before a meeting of the leaders took place.

What I gave were examples specif to North Korea. Iran has done more than North Korea has and it didn't require a presidential summit. The USSR has done more than North Korea, they had curbed their arsenal. Trust but verify, remember?

Let me save you the trouble. You can't.

I think I just did.

You seem to regard the office of the presidency with some sort of holy reverence, as if the president of the U.S. is some messiah whose hand must be kissed after a proper amount of groveling. As if he or she should only deign to bestow their presence upon the wholly repentant.

With North Korea it almost is. They have always wanted to be recognized as equal with the United States. We just gave them a real face full of that imagery they can use on their own people. This wasn't a secret, it was well known. Hell, it was used as an example in 2008 by both Hillary Clinton and Republicans when they were running against Obama when he had stated he'd be willing to meet with leaders of hostile countries. You don't remember Hannity bringing this up?

No. The president is the elected leader of a republic whose office affords certain powers, and there are many ways to use those power wisely... or not so wisely. In this case, the president has, as a starter, secured return of US prisoners, the cessation of missile tests, and a signed denuclearization agreement. If it's not honored, it's not honored and back to square one. That's the worst-case scenario. If it is honored, then what you detailed will happen in due course.

We've had prisoners returned to every recent President without sucking up to North Korea's leader. Missile tests, shit, they done ruined their testing facility and they don't have an unlimited number of missiles, this is a very poor country, remember?

They did not sign a denuclearization agreement, they signed a piece of paper with a vague notion of what exactly denuclearization even means. We've also gone down this road with them before and they broke that agreement.Why is now so different? Because Kim got the opportunity to hold hands with Trump?

Tell me... do you really, honestly think that Kim Jong Un would free every prisoner, totally denuclearize, throw open his borders and let everyone in just so he can meet the president of the US?

I gave several examples of what we could ask for. One of those things would be to have them release all political prisoners, maybe we wouldn't get all of that, perhaps there would be a compromise. But, we had something of value and it's now lost for nothing.

It's a good thing that Trump doesn't actually have the God complex so many attribute to him, or he might actually structure his foreign policy on that basis. You seem to think he should.

Everything appears to revolve around Trump and how it makes him look. Hell, he even said to you that if this summit was a mistake he wouldn't admit to it, he literally said that.

Lying left, of course.

Hannity did say something similar to that...

Here is what Hannity actually said:

"One of the most disturbing displays of Obama's lack of foreign policy expertise came during last year's YouTube debate, the junior senator from Illinois gave what many called a naive answer for a question from the audience about whether he would meet with the leaders of Syria, Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea without preconditions."

Obama reply was "I would".

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Hope nobody will catch that.

 

[Polishprince]

President Nixon met with Chairman Mao, Reagan met with Bloody Gorby, Roosevelt with Uncle Joe Stalin.

I don't think that meeting with a dictator is a bad thing, even those who are a lot more murderous than President Un.

 

[WEATHER53]

Anything that gets face to face is better than Kim in isolation making nutcase threats
The fact that libs won’t see that tells you all you need to know

 

[HappyJoy]

Maybe RocketMan has finally figured out what he is missing all over the world instead of being hidden in his kingdom...and wants to party? lol

Did you miss the memo? It's no longer Rocket Man, it's friend, strong leader and 'he's a funny guy'.

Also, let's not forget, a smart cookie and honorable. I think we have a new bromance here. Putin might be jealous.

No big deal, both of them are our allies now.

I always wanted to switch sides and be apart of the axis of evil said no American ever.

That makes sense. Just like in WWII...correct? To fight the 3rd worst
mass murderer in History, Adolph Hitler...America allied itself with the
2nd and 1st mass murderers...Stalin and Mao.

This is the worst case of Monday morning quarterbacking I've ever seen. Perhaps we should have joined the Nazis who at that moment were threatening the existence of many of our democratic allies. Or sit back and do nothing only to once again have the Nazis win so then we'd be looking at a bunch of Nazis across the pond. Would that make it all better for you?

 

[gtopa1]

Anything that gets face to face is better than Kim in isolation making nutcase threats
The fact that libs won’t see that tells you all you need to know

I think Trump making Kim an object of ridicule got rid of Kim's number one military asset; FEAR. Kim has bupkus apart from that.

Greg

 

[HappyJoy]

I hate
Every basis?

That won't do, sorry.

Exactly what criteria do you think is requisite?

For starters to account for and return all hostages they are keeping from other countries. While were at it a release of all political prisoners. A pledge to stop enriching uranium or buying it and setting up a system of verification. Hell, just verifying where their nuclear facilities are and allowing for the international community to confirm would be nice.

A meeting with a sitting U.S. president should be a reward merely because it's something they want. Now that card is off the table and we got nothing for it.

Now can you please return from fantasy-land and name one successful peace deal with a nuclear-armed enemy which has been achieved with the same criteria before a meeting of the leaders took place.

What I gave were examples specif to North Korea. Iran has done more than North Korea has and it didn't require a presidential summit. The USSR has done more than North Korea, they had curbed their arsenal. Trust but verify, remember?

Let me save you the trouble. You can't.

I think I just did.

You seem to regard the office of the presidency with some sort of holy reverence, as if the president of the U.S. is some messiah whose hand must be kissed after a proper amount of groveling. As if he or she should only deign to bestow their presence upon the wholly repentant.

With North Korea it almost is. They have always wanted to be recognized as equal with the United States. We just gave them a real face full of that imagery they can use on their own people. This wasn't a secret, it was well known. Hell, it was used as an example in 2008 by both Hillary Clinton and Republicans when they were running against Obama when he had stated he'd be willing to meet with leaders of hostile countries. You don't remember Hannity bringing this up?

No. The president is the elected leader of a republic whose office affords certain powers, and there are many ways to use those power wisely... or not so wisely. In this case, the president has, as a starter, secured return of US prisoners, the cessation of missile tests, and a signed denuclearization agreement. If it's not honored, it's not honored and back to square one. That's the worst-case scenario. If it is honored, then what you detailed will happen in due course.

We've had prisoners returned to every recent President without sucking up to North Korea's leader. Missile tests, shit, they done ruined their testing facility and they don't have an unlimited number of missiles, this is a very poor country, remember?

They did not sign a denuclearization agreement, they signed a piece of paper with a vague notion of what exactly denuclearization even means. We've also gone down this road with them before and they broke that agreement.Why is now so different? Because Kim got the opportunity to hold hands with Trump?

Tell me... do you really, honestly think that Kim Jong Un would free every prisoner, totally denuclearize, throw open his borders and let everyone in just so he can meet the president of the US?

I gave several examples of what we could ask for. One of those things would be to have them release all political prisoners, maybe we wouldn't get all of that, perhaps there would be a compromise. But, we had something of value and it's now lost for nothing.

It's a good thing that Trump doesn't actually have the God complex so many attribute to him, or he might actually structure his foreign policy on that basis. You seem to think he should.

Everything appears to revolve around Trump and how it makes him look. Hell, he even said to you that if this summit was a mistake he wouldn't admit to it, he literally said that.

Lying left, of course.

Hannity did say something similar to that...

Here is what Hannity actually said:

"One of the most disturbing displays of Obama's lack of foreign policy expertise came during last year's YouTube debate, the junior senator from Illinois gave what many called a naive answer for a question from the audience about whether he would meet with the leaders of Syria, Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea without preconditions."

Obama reply was "I would".

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Hope nobody will catch that.

Yeah, there were no preconditions to this meeting. North Korea gave up nothing except claiming they scrapped their test site even though it was a collapsed mountain that did the job for them.

 

[Polishprince]

This is the worst case of Monday morning quarterbacking I've ever seen. Perhaps we should have joined the Nazis who at that moment were threatening the existence of many of our democratic allies. Or sit back and do nothing only to once again have the Nazis win so then we'd be looking at a bunch of Nazis across the pond. Would that make it all better for you?

The only reason why the Nazis were a threat was due to FDR's malfeasance. He reduced the military budget in the 1930's to finance his Raw Deal programs. General MacArthur complained, but Roosevelt didn't listen.

If America was fully armed in the 1930's and didn't do the Raw Deal, Germany would not have pissed America off by starting the Holocaust. It would have saved this country billions, not just in waging the war, but in financing the Marshall Plan after the war.

Money spent on military doesn't cost, it saves.

 

[gtopa1]

It seems for real this time. I think North Korea is beginning a new chapter.

Kim Jong Un accepts Trump's invitation to Washington: report

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has accepted President Trump's invitation to visit Washington, D.C., North Korea's Korean Central News Agency reported Tuesday evening.

The news comes after the two leaders met for an historic summit in Singapore earlier Tuesday, signing a document committing the U.S. to unspecified "security guarantees" in exchange for a denuclearized Korean Peninsula.

All that happened is that the orange imbecile gave the little dictator the weight and gravitas of the US. Ijits.

Please allow the US to be magnanimous. It would also cost LESS if the Norks were integrated with the South. I recall the days when a united Germany was IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! So a United Korea; so goes the flow of History.

Greg

 

[HappyJoy]

This is the worst case of Monday morning quarterbacking I've ever seen. Perhaps we should have joined the Nazis who at that moment were threatening the existence of many of our democratic allies. Or sit back and do nothing only to once again have the Nazis win so then we'd be looking at a bunch of Nazis across the pond. Would that make it all better for you?

The only reason why the Nazis were a threat was due to FDR's malfeasance. He reduced the military budget in the 1930's to finance his Raw Deal programs. General MacArthur complained, but Roosevelt didn't listen.

And we still kicked their asses with our military might. The Nazi's were a threat because they were fucking Nazis deadset on going to war.

If America was fully armed in the 1930's and didn't do the Raw Deal, Germany would not have pissed America off by starting the Holocaust. It would have saved this country billions, not just in waging the war, but in financing the Marshall Plan after the war.

Money spent on military doesn't cost, it saves.

The holocaust? You think we went to war because of the Holocaust?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Maybe RocketMan has finally figured out what he is missing all over the world instead of being hidden in his kingdom...and wants to party? lol

Did you miss the memo? It's no longer Rocket Man, it's friend, strong leader and 'he's a funny guy'.

Why are you upset that he and Trump seem to be getting along?

I don't like my presidents to be too chummy with dictators giving them propaganda wins and raising their international stature.

North Korea hasn't earned the right to meet with a U.S President, Just like Russia doesn't deserve to be in the G8, it was charity that they were there in the first place.

But you were fine with barry doing everything but blow Raul in the Plaza de la Revolucion on his last visit.

 

[gtopa1]

FDR called Stalin “Uncle Joe”...

Fact is there are countries out there with dictatorships & little personal freedom. We still have to live with them whether we like it or not...

Well, without 'Uncle Joe' (named so by the media, not FDR) we would have been in deep shit so I guess we got something out of that, didn't we? What have we gotten from Kim? Nada.

Yes we got a Cold War & the threat of nuclear annihilation from Uncle Joe. Great deal there!

So, what should we have done? Are you really wanting to blame FDR for the rise of the USSR? That's batshit crazy considering he died before the end of the war. What would you have had us do? At least we won the war thanks to the help of all our allies, we got something there.

I honestly don’t get you lefties sometimes. You say no war under any circumstances but you’re against dilplomacy because Trump happens to be the one doing it.

For starters, I don't know anyone who says 'no war under any circumstances', we just don't like bullshit wars over fake WMDs or starting an unproductive twitter spat that we will most likely see again.

I'm also not against diplomacy or negotiating with North Korea, I certainly don't know anyone who has said that except for the Trumpists here who wanted to nuke North Korea during that whole idiotic 'rocketman' shit.

There was no “deal” made in Singapore. There was only a framework started.

No shit. Once again, nobody is claiming a deal was made. What was made is that we gave Kim his globa debutante ball for which Kim will use for his own propaganda purposes like we always knew they would. We also apparently without South Korea's knowledge and tipping off China have decided stop our military training with our ally on the peninsula, according to Trump those military exercises are 'provocative' which is exactly what North Korea had been calling them for years. Trump literally used North Korea's words of propaganda.

As a bonus we get to hear the President of the United States tell the world that Kim loves his people, another propaganda win for NK. Not to mention that Kim is also smart, funny and a strong leader. All Kim had to do to get this is sign a fucking piece of paper saying they will work towards denucleariztion, even though they've already done that in the past and broke their word.

This is how countries conduct business. Not every country is a model of Jeffersonian Democracy, but guess what, we have to find a way to get along. Having some stability on the peninsula would help us immensely.

This is not how countries conduct business with rogue dictatorships who have broken every promise, starved, tortured and murdered it's own people. Kidnapped citizens from Japan and South Korea on their own land and fired missiles over our allies and threatened nuclear destruction.

We have to find a way to get along, that's funny. Why not just let North Korea do whatever it wants, so far that appears to be Trump's plan. Why not just open up trade now? That's a way to 'get along', isn't it?

So all you are worried about is some propaganda points the Kim regime may rack up?? All of these other countries who are clearly lining up to become the next North Korea..

It can strengthen North Korea's resolve, why negotiate when they are going to get what they want anyway? Also, I just don't trust Trump, I think he's an imbecile because like you he doesn't really understand the gravity and weight this summit meeting meant to North Korea. It could have been used as a bargaining chip and it was just pissed away.

North Korea has been breaking agreements since 1994 when Carter went over there & we tried to pay them off.

Yep and now Trump is declaring the trust he has for Kim. Fancy that. You could say that is some sort of Jedi mind trick Trump is trying to play on Kim, but who would be that stupid? Instead we end up with a United States president fawning over a murderous dictator twit.

And this Iran “deal”...great deal there. Let’s give billions to a rogue regime who murders its own citizens, threatens war in a strategic location, threatens Israel & promotes terrorism. Oh yes, what a deal!

Just to be clear you're against any sort of financial aid to North Korea? I mean that would be our own money not just giving back Iran what is rightfully theirs. Is that your stand?

How are we going to confirm North Korea has gotten rid of it's nuclear program? Take their word for it, what's the process?

gee; when the Norks were supplying Iran and Hamas with weapons they were your heroes!! Sux to be on the wrong side of history, hey!!?

Greg

 

[HappyJoy]

Maybe RocketMan has finally figured out what he is missing all over the world instead of being hidden in his kingdom...and wants to party? lol

Did you miss the memo? It's no longer Rocket Man, it's friend, strong leader and 'he's a funny guy'.

Why are you upset that he and Trump seem to be getting along?

I don't like my presidents to be too chummy with dictators giving them propaganda wins and raising their international stature.

North Korea hasn't earned the right to meet with a U.S President, Just like Russia doesn't deserve to be in the G8, it was charity that they were there in the first place.

But you were fine with barry doing everything but blow Raul in the Plaza de la Revolucion on his last visit.

He did? Like what, give some details.

 

[Sahba]

always play the mark for all you can get.

At least be forthright in claiming which side your on... lol

 

[HappyJoy]

Well, without 'Uncle Joe' (named so by the media, not FDR) we would have been in deep shit so I guess we got something out of that, didn't we? What have we gotten from Kim? Nada.

Yes we got a Cold War & the threat of nuclear annihilation from Uncle Joe. Great deal there!

So, what should we have done? Are you really wanting to blame FDR for the rise of the USSR? That's batshit crazy considering he died before the end of the war. What would you have had us do? At least we won the war thanks to the help of all our allies, we got something there.

I honestly don’t get you lefties sometimes. You say no war under any circumstances but you’re against dilplomacy because Trump happens to be the one doing it.

For starters, I don't know anyone who says 'no war under any circumstances', we just don't like bullshit wars over fake WMDs or starting an unproductive twitter spat that we will most likely see again.

I'm also not against diplomacy or negotiating with North Korea, I certainly don't know anyone who has said that except for the Trumpists here who wanted to nuke North Korea during that whole idiotic 'rocketman' shit.

There was no “deal” made in Singapore. There was only a framework started.

No shit. Once again, nobody is claiming a deal was made. What was made is that we gave Kim his globa debutante ball for which Kim will use for his own propaganda purposes like we always knew they would. We also apparently without South Korea's knowledge and tipping off China have decided stop our military training with our ally on the peninsula, according to Trump those military exercises are 'provocative' which is exactly what North Korea had been calling them for years. Trump literally used North Korea's words of propaganda.

As a bonus we get to hear the President of the United States tell the world that Kim loves his people, another propaganda win for NK. Not to mention that Kim is also smart, funny and a strong leader. All Kim had to do to get this is sign a fucking piece of paper saying they will work towards denucleariztion, even though they've already done that in the past and broke their word.

This is how countries conduct business. Not every country is a model of Jeffersonian Democracy, but guess what, we have to find a way to get along. Having some stability on the peninsula would help us immensely.

This is not how countries conduct business with rogue dictatorships who have broken every promise, starved, tortured and murdered it's own people. Kidnapped citizens from Japan and South Korea on their own land and fired missiles over our allies and threatened nuclear destruction.

We have to find a way to get along, that's funny. Why not just let North Korea do whatever it wants, so far that appears to be Trump's plan. Why not just open up trade now? That's a way to 'get along', isn't it?

So all you are worried about is some propaganda points the Kim regime may rack up?? All of these other countries who are clearly lining up to become the next North Korea..

It can strengthen North Korea's resolve, why negotiate when they are going to get what they want anyway? Also, I just don't trust Trump, I think he's an imbecile because like you he doesn't really understand the gravity and weight this summit meeting meant to North Korea. It could have been used as a bargaining chip and it was just pissed away.

North Korea has been breaking agreements since 1994 when Carter went over there & we tried to pay them off.

Yep and now Trump is declaring the trust he has for Kim. Fancy that. You could say that is some sort of Jedi mind trick Trump is trying to play on Kim, but who would be that stupid? Instead we end up with a United States president fawning over a murderous dictator twit.

And this Iran “deal”...great deal there. Let’s give billions to a rogue regime who murders its own citizens, threatens war in a strategic location, threatens Israel & promotes terrorism. Oh yes, what a deal!

Just to be clear you're against any sort of financial aid to North Korea? I mean that would be our own money not just giving back Iran what is rightfully theirs. Is that your stand?

How are we going to confirm North Korea has gotten rid of it's nuclear program? Take their word for it, what's the process?

gee; when the Norks were supplying Iran and Hamas with weapons they were your heroes!! Sux to be on the wrong side of history, hey!!?

Greg

No, I'm going to have to call you a liar on that. I'd ask you to back up your point and show me where I ever though North Korea, Iran or Hamas were my heroes but we both know you can't do that because it's not true and I've never said anything like that.

Well, Greg, not much of a reason to take you seriously at all, is there?

 

[Polishprince]

And we still kicked their asses with our military might. The Nazi's were a threat because they were fucking Nazis deadset on going to war.
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We would have never had to fight them in the first place, Germans aren't stupid, they wouldn't have started the war if we were ready.

WWII cost plenty, and it was almost lost.

Arming the head of time would have been fiscally prudent, FDR would not have been responsible for almost 1/2 million American military dying.

 

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That won't do, sorry.

Exactly what criteria do you think is requisite?

For starters to account for and return all hostages they are keeping from other countries. While were at it a release of all political prisoners. A pledge to stop enriching uranium or buying it and setting up a system of verification. Hell, just verifying where their nuclear facilities are and allowing for the international community to confirm would be nice.

A meeting with a sitting U.S. president should be a reward merely because it's something they want. Now that card is off the table and we got nothing for it.

Now can you please return from fantasy-land and name one successful peace deal with a nuclear-armed enemy which has been achieved with the same criteria before a meeting of the leaders took place.

What I gave were examples specif to North Korea. Iran has done more than North Korea has and it didn't require a presidential summit. The USSR has done more than North Korea, they had curbed their arsenal. Trust but verify, remember?

Let me save you the trouble. You can't.

I think I just did.

You seem to regard the office of the presidency with some sort of holy reverence, as if the president of the U.S. is some messiah whose hand must be kissed after a proper amount of groveling. As if he or she should only deign to bestow their presence upon the wholly repentant.

With North Korea it almost is. They have always wanted to be recognized as equal with the United States. We just gave them a real face full of that imagery they can use on their own people. This wasn't a secret, it was well known. Hell, it was used as an example in 2008 by both Hillary Clinton and Republicans when they were running against Obama when he had stated he'd be willing to meet with leaders of hostile countries. You don't remember Hannity bringing this up?

No. The president is the elected leader of a republic whose office affords certain powers, and there are many ways to use those power wisely... or not so wisely. In this case, the president has, as a starter, secured return of US prisoners, the cessation of missile tests, and a signed denuclearization agreement. If it's not honored, it's not honored and back to square one. That's the worst-case scenario. If it is honored, then what you detailed will happen in due course.

We've had prisoners returned to every recent President without sucking up to North Korea's leader. Missile tests, shit, they done ruined their testing facility and they don't have an unlimited number of missiles, this is a very poor country, remember?

They did not sign a denuclearization agreement, they signed a piece of paper with a vague notion of what exactly denuclearization even means. We've also gone down this road with them before and they broke that agreement.Why is now so different? Because Kim got the opportunity to hold hands with Trump?

Tell me... do you really, honestly think that Kim Jong Un would free every prisoner, totally denuclearize, throw open his borders and let everyone in just so he can meet the president of the US?

I gave several examples of what we could ask for. One of those things would be to have them release all political prisoners, maybe we wouldn't get all of that, perhaps there would be a compromise. But, we had something of value and it's now lost for nothing.

It's a good thing that Trump doesn't actually have the God complex so many attribute to him, or he might actually structure his foreign policy on that basis. You seem to think he should.

Everything appears to revolve around Trump and how it makes him look. Hell, he even said to you that if this summit was a mistake he wouldn't admit to it, he literally said that.

Lying left, of course.

Hannity did say something similar to that...

Here is what Hannity actually said:

"One of the most disturbing displays of Obama's lack of foreign policy expertise came during last year's YouTube debate, the junior senator from Illinois gave what many called a naive answer for a question from the audience about whether he would meet with the leaders of Syria, Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea without preconditions."

Obama reply was "I would".

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Without preconditions...

Hope nobody will catch that.

Yeah, there were no preconditions to this meeting. North Korea gave up nothing except claiming they scrapped their test site even though it was a collapsed mountain that did the job for them.

Lying leftie again...

Nothing except... of course... except.

They're still firing missiles, right?
They didn't release hostages, right?
They still threatening us, right?