Killing Electoral College would invite Trump, future presidents to rig their reelections

[Rustic]

I think Democrats need to pull this stick out of their asses and admit that they need to come up with a platform that is inclusive - that appeals to rural Americans as well.

I think Democrats need to pull this stick out of their asses and admit that they need to come up with a platform that is inclusive - that appeals to rural Americans as well.

Does a majority of rural America benefit from the Electoral College?

Absolutely, Without the electoral college rural America has no voice in presidential elections... fact

Absolutely, Without the electoral college rural America has no voice in presidential elections... fact

Right now neither rural, nor suburban, nor urban voters have any voice in presidential elections unless they live in a "battleground" state.

Changing the current winner-take-all method of apportioning EC ballots will give every voter a stake in determining who serves as POTUS.

Rural States Are Almost Entirely Ignored Under Current State-by-State System

"According to the 2010 census, the 10 states with the highest percentage of rural residents are

• Maine–61%
• Vermont–61%
• West Virginia–51%
• Mississippi–51%
• Montana–44%
• Arkansas–44%
• South Dakota43%
• Kentucky–42%
• Alabama–41%
• North Dakota–40%

"However, none of the 10 most rural states were closely divided battleground states in either the 2012 or 2016 presidential election. Thus, none of these 10 states received any general-election campaign visits.

"Moreover, only five states of the 25 most rural states received any general-election campaign visits during the 2012 and 2016 presidential election, namely New Hampshire (12th most rural), Iowa (the 13th most rural), North Carolina (the 16th most rural), Wisconsin (the 20th most rural), and Minnesota (the 25th most rural).

"In short, rural states are almost entirely ignored by the current state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes."

Lol
Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Idaho. Don’t have the population to matter in a pure popular vote in presidential elections.
A city like San Francisco would have more power than all of those states in a pure popular vote.

That is why we need the electoral college

Lol
Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Idaho. Don’t have the population to matter in a pure popular vote in presidential elections.
A city like San Francisco would have more power than all of those states in a pure popular vote.

San Francisco has fewer than 900,000 residents, so how would its voters have more power than five states? What ever good reasons the Founders had for inflicting the EC on this country have long since evaporated. Today, a handful of "swing states" decide who becomes POTUS. In 2016 Trump and Clinton made more than 90% of their campaign stops in 11 states, nearly two-thirds of those stops took place in just four states. That's not even representative democracy.

"The eight least populous states (i.e., those with three electoral votes each) together received just one general-election campaign visit in 2008, 2012, and 2016 combined.

"Meanwhile, the closely divided battleground state of Wisconsin (with about the same population as the eight smallest states combined) received 40 visits. Wisconsin received more attention despite having only 10 electoral votes -- compared to the total of 24 for the eight smallest states."

Small States Are Not Helped by Current System

Lol
Na, not really
The greater San Francisco area among several other cities around America has more votes than those states I listed in a pure popular vote.
A pure popular vote = mob rule

 

[georgephillip]

What do you think of this possible future election:

Just Four States are Likely to Determine the Outcome of 2020 Presidential Race

"Just four states are likely to determine the outcome in 2020. Each flipped to the Republicans in 2016, but President Trump won each by only a percentage point or less. The four are Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida. Many analysts point to Wisconsin as the single state upon which the election could turn." ...

In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by 8 million ballots across all fifty states.
His EC "win" came from about 77000 votes spread across three mid-west states.
How do you justify that?

People are very pleased with the electoral college s0n......nobody cares what you think. Why even get angst about this......its not going to change......ever. And trust me, you would never want to live in this country if somebody tried to change it because it would change life as we know it.

People are very pleased with the electoral college s0n......nobody cares what you think. Why even get angst about this......its not going to change......ever. And trust me, you would never want to live in this country if somebody tried to change it because it would change life as we know it.

How do people feel about winner-take-all?

"The shortcomings of the current system of electing the President stem from 'winner-take-all' laws that have been enacted by state legislatures in 48 states.

"These laws award all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate receiving the most popular votes in each state.

"Because of these state winner-take-all statutes, presidential candidates have no reason to pay attention to the issues of concern to voters in states where the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion.

"In 2012, as shown on the map, all of the 253 general-election campaign events were in just 12 states, and two-thirds were in just 4 states (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa).

"Thirty-eight states were completely ignored."

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

 

[Polishprince]

What do you think of this possible future election:

Just Four States are Likely to Determine the Outcome of 2020 Presidential Race

"Just four states are likely to determine the outcome in 2020. Each flipped to the Republicans in 2016, but President Trump won each by only a percentage point or less. The four are Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida. Many analysts point to Wisconsin as the single state upon which the election could turn." ...

In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by 8 million ballots across all fifty states.
His EC "win" came from about 77000 votes spread across three mid-west states.
How do you justify that?

People are very pleased with the electoral college s0n......nobody cares what you think. Why even get angst about this......its not going to change......ever. And trust me, you would never want to live in this country if somebody tried to change it because it would change life as we know it.

People are very pleased with the electoral college s0n......nobody cares what you think. Why even get angst about this......its not going to change......ever. And trust me, you would never want to live in this country if somebody tried to change it because it would change life as we know it.

How do people feel about winner-take-all?

"The shortcomings of the current system of electing the President stem from 'winner-take-all' laws that have been enacted by state legislatures in 48 states.

"These laws award all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate receiving the most popular votes in each state.

"Because of these state winner-take-all statutes, presidential candidates have no reason to pay attention to the issues of concern to voters in states where the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion.

"In 2012, as shown on the map, all of the 253 general-election campaign events were in just 12 states, and two-thirds were in just 4 states (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa).

"Thirty-eight states were completely ignored."

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

But the other states weren't completely ignored at all. The candidates had local organizations, and national media certainly reached those areas.

 

[georgephillip]

What do you think of this possible future election:

Just Four States are Likely to Determine the Outcome of 2020 Presidential Race

"Just four states are likely to determine the outcome in 2020. Each flipped to the Republicans in 2016, but President Trump won each by only a percentage point or less. The four are Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida. Many analysts point to Wisconsin as the single state upon which the election could turn." ...

In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote by 8 million ballots across all fifty states.
His EC "win" came from about 77000 votes spread across three mid-west states.
How do you justify that?

People are very pleased with the electoral college s0n......nobody cares what you think. Why even get angst about this......its not going to change......ever. And trust me, you would never want to live in this country if somebody tried to change it because it would change life as we know it.

People are very pleased with the electoral college s0n......nobody cares what you think. Why even get angst about this......its not going to change......ever. And trust me, you would never want to live in this country if somebody tried to change it because it would change life as we know it.

How do people feel about winner-take-all?

"The shortcomings of the current system of electing the President stem from 'winner-take-all' laws that have been enacted by state legislatures in 48 states.

"These laws award all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate receiving the most popular votes in each state.

"Because of these state winner-take-all statutes, presidential candidates have no reason to pay attention to the issues of concern to voters in states where the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion.

"In 2012, as shown on the map, all of the 253 general-election campaign events were in just 12 states, and two-thirds were in just 4 states (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa).

"Thirty-eight states were completely ignored."

Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote

But the other states weren't completely ignored at all. The candidates had local organizations, and national media certainly reached those areas.

But the other states weren't completely ignored at all. The candidates had local organizations, and national media certainly reached those areas.

If 2020 is decided in five or six key swing states, does that mean the remaining states have been intentionally disregarded by both major parties?

In 2016 Donald Trump lost the popular vote by more than eight million ballots. He won three key swing states by around 77,000 votes thereby ignoring an eight million vote majority.

The EC made sense to the Founders as a safeguard against illiterate and uneducated voters lacking necessary information to make the best choice; that isn't a good enough reason to perpetuate the infringement on political sovereignty.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Democrats don't trust Trump. So why would they want to give him and future presidents more power over their own reelections and who succeeds them?

Killing Electoral College would invite presidents to rig elections

Democrats can’t think ahead.

Ridiculous

National Popular Vote

States can not go into cahoots with each other with out Congress's approval.

So that will go up in flames

 

[Wyatt earp]

"Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote
One-page explanation (PDF)

"The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

"The Compact ensures that every vote, in every state, will matter in every presidential election.

"The Compact is a state-based approach that preserves the Electoral College, state control of elections, and the power of the states to control how the President is elected."

Its against the Constitution, heck the California supreme court just ruled the insane law of Trump having to show its taxes as unconstitutional.

 

[georgephillip]

"Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote
One-page explanation (PDF)

"The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

"The Compact ensures that every vote, in every state, will matter in every presidential election.

"The Compact is a state-based approach that preserves the Electoral College, state control of elections, and the power of the states to control how the President is elected."

Its against the Constitution, heck the California supreme court just ruled the insane law of Trump having to show its taxes as unconstitutional.

Its against the Constitution, heck the California supreme court just ruled the insane law of Trump having to show its taxes as unconstitutional.

The Constitution gives states the power to bestow electoral votes:

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/sites/default/files/1-pager-npv-v194-2019-11-4.pdf

"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

"Since 2006, the bill has been enacted by 16 jurisdictions possessing 196 electoral votes, including 5 small jurisdictions (DC, DE, HI, RI, VT), 8 medium-sized states (CO, CT, MD, MA, NJ, NM, OR, WA), and 3 big states (CA, IL, NY).

"The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes. The bill has passed at least one legislative chamber in 8 states with 75 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK), including the Republican-controlled Arizona House and Oklahoma Senate, and by unanimous committee votes in Georgia and Missouri. 3,408 state legislators have endorsed the bill.

"The U.S. Constitution (Article II) gives states exclusive control over awarding their electoral votes: 'Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors….'"