Kill the Gays - Uganda

DGS49

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They have gone and done it. The journalists of the world have, in a gross and deceptive conspiracy, decided to mis-characterize Uganda's new Anti-Homosexuality Act of 2014 as a law that punishes people for "being gay." (The law was previously referred to commonly as the "Kill the Gays" law, but a limited provision for capital punishment was removed before passage). Now, punishments can range from several years in the slammer (rather an ironic punishment, that) up to life imprisonment, but such sentences are reserved for actors who are HIV-positive, parents or authority figures, people assaulting minors, and so forth.

The promulgation of this obvious falsehood is designed to promote animosity and ill-feelings toward Uganda, whose current law is - like it or not - pretty much similar to other sub-Saharan countries and other Islamic countries with respect to acts of homosexual sodomy. In short, it's seriously against the law. You'll go to jail if caught engaging in the common forms of homosexual intercourse. Kinda like it was here in the U.S. a few generations ago.

But of course there is no penalty for "being gay," which is an entirely personal and private matter. Indeed, even under the current, harsher law, it would be possible for one to go through an entire life lusting after every man in the country (i.e., being gay), as long as you don't have anal or oral intercourse with them.

It is also possible to be a pedophile without punishment, as long as you don't act on your inclinations. And it is possible to lust after married women (or men), too, with nothing to fear from the Ugandan government. Or to really, really, really want to kill some one. As long as you don't act on it.

To equate "being gay" with committing acts of homosexual sodomy is a false equivalence indeed.

From Wikipedia: "According to human rights organisations, at least 500,000 gay people live in Uganda out of a total population of 31 million, though the government of Uganda contests that number as inflated." By my calculator, that's about 1.6% of the population - about the same as in the U.S., although one would never know it from the hubbub about such issues.

The Ugandan law even provides that if you leave the country and bugger someone elsewhere, you can be drug back to Uganda and prosecuted. These people are serious.

So if you are in the unfortunate position of being gay in Uganda, you can (a) remain celibate, (b) convert, (c) absquatulate - and renounce your citizenship, or (d) choose your friends very carefully and do your business in private. Just like in almost every other Islamic country.

One wonders if this little experiment will reinforce the premise that punishment is a deterrent to crime. I wonder how many people are actually prosecuted under these laws.
 
I just heard about this, and I am beyond shocked. But lets be honest here, are relationship rights really the main concern for an average Ugandan citizen? Most of the people who live in this country have to worry about many basic needs, such as water, food, and a place to sleep, so I highly doubt that this is the first thing that comes to mind when we talk about things that needs to be fixed in this area of the world. With that said, I am not surprised that a nation like this would instate a law of this kind, its just a perfect example of how far gone these countries are in areas like this. It's almost like we aren't on the same planet, they are so far behind in regard to our vision of "modern society"
 
On NPR yesterday, there was an interview with a lawyer who represents an organization that promotes "gay rights," world-wide. The question was posed to him whether gay Ugandans could seek asylum in the U.S. on the basis of political prosecution in their own countries.

Thankfuly, the lawyer did not give false hope of such a prospect.

But the question itself again is based on the false equivalence of "being gay," versus engaging in homosexual sodomy, as though a gay person in Uganda is helpless to avoid engaging in such behavior.

I have personally been sexually active for approximately 45 years, and NEVER in all that time has any other human observed me having sex. Why is this same discretion not possible for gays?
 
(IPS) Five Nations Execute Homosexuals, Two More Considering It

"Currently, the nations that prescribe capital punishment for homosexuals are Iran, Mauritania, the Republic of Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

South Sudan, the world's newest country, may become a sixth nation to do so, while, if religious extremists have their way, Uganda may become the seventh.

The death penalty also is carried out against homosexuals in certain parts of Somalia and Nigeria.

Many of the countries that carry out the death penalty against homosexuals also have anti-democratic regimes, noted C. Dixon Osburn, director of the Law and Security Programme at Human Rights First.

"When other freedoms are opposed, any freedoms can be oppressed."

When you're doing or proposing something even Iraq and North Korea wouldn't, just how batshit crazy have you become?
 
America can oppose gays getting the death penalty for being gay, but have no problem whatsoever with Christians getting the death penalty for being Christian.
 
America can oppose gays getting the death penalty for being gay, but have no problem whatsoever with Christians getting the death penalty for being Christian.

Can you show where anyone has supported Christians getting the death penalty?
 
America can oppose gays getting the death penalty for being gay, but have no problem whatsoever with Christians getting the death penalty for being Christian.

Can you show where anyone has supported Christians getting the death penalty?

Democrats, and particularly obama, has sent weapons and aid to Al Quaeda in Syria.

Seriously, how far should we go in protecting gays? Should we invade Uganda and force them to change their laws?
 
America can oppose gays getting the death penalty for being gay, but have no problem whatsoever with Christians getting the death penalty for being Christian.

Can you show where anyone has supported Christians getting the death penalty?

Democrats, and particularly obama, has sent weapons and aid to Al Quaeda in Syria.

Seriously, how far should we go in protecting gays? Should we invade Uganda and force them to change their laws?

If the US evangelicals had minded their own business, none of this would have happened
 
Can you show where anyone has supported Christians getting the death penalty?

Democrats, and particularly obama, has sent weapons and aid to Al Quaeda in Syria.

Seriously, how far should we go in protecting gays? Should we invade Uganda and force them to change their laws?

If the US evangelicals had minded their own business, none of this would have happened

That is awfully patronizing of Ugandans to assume that they needed help from US evangelicals to pass the laws in question. Ugandans are perfectly capable on their own, without outside help of being bigots. Uganda is actually one of the least European influenced countries if Africa, as they never had a sizable white immigrant population.

The smear attempt to connect US evangelicals to these laws is just that, a smear.
 
On NPR yesterday, there was an interview with a lawyer who represents an organization that promotes "gay rights," world-wide. The question was posed to him whether gay Ugandans could seek asylum in the U.S. on the basis of political prosecution in their own countries.

Thankfuly, the lawyer did not give false hope of such a prospect.

But the question itself again is based on the false equivalence of "being gay," versus engaging in homosexual sodomy, as though a gay person in Uganda is helpless to avoid engaging in such behavior.

I have personally been sexually active for approximately 45 years, and NEVER in all that time has any other human observed me having sex. Why is this same discretion not possible for gays?

Not even your partner? Sorry, that just sounded so odd.
 
Democrats, and particularly obama, has sent weapons and aid to Al Quaeda in Syria.

Seriously, how far should we go in protecting gays? Should we invade Uganda and force them to change their laws?

If the US evangelicals had minded their own business, none of this would have happened

That is awfully patronizing of Ugandans to assume that they needed help from US evangelicals to pass the laws in question. Ugandans are perfectly capable on their own, without outside help of being bigots. Uganda is actually one of the least European influenced countries if Africa, as they never had a sizable white immigrant population.

The smear attempt to connect US evangelicals to these laws is just that, a smear.
How American evangelicals may be responsible for Uganda?s anti-gay law ? Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs

Roger Ross Williams belonged to an organization called International House of Prayer in Missouri, whose missionary zeal fell on gays in Uganda. He decided to make a film about what he learned called “God Loves Uganda.”

Someone like evangelist Scott Lively is “an extremist in America,” Williams said, “but when he goes to Uganda he gets taken seriously because of what he represents.”

“He’s an American evangelical, and what an American represents in a place like Uganda – it represents power and wealth.”

“So he goes to Uganda and he can command the president, he can command the parliament for five hours. He did a three-day conference, where he told everyone about the threat of homosexuality, that they were there to recruit their children.”

“And that’s what really sort of started this whole bill on its, where it is now, today, this sort of tragic day.”
 
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Can you show where anyone has supported Christians getting the death penalty?

Democrats, and particularly obama, has sent weapons and aid to Al Quaeda in Syria.

Seriously, how far should we go in protecting gays? Should we invade Uganda and force them to change their laws?

If the US evangelicals had minded their own business, none of this would have happened

If liberals ruled the world, how much better it would be.
 
I don't agree with it personally but what can we do?

The gay agenda just lost India. They have recriminalized homosexuality. What's happening here is reflecting in other countries as those countries fight to keep what's happening here from happening there.
 

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