Kellyanne admits it - they aren't really going to repeal Obamacare.

[Mac1958]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

There are five words at the end of that headline that pretty much end your thread

"in transition to new plan"

Meaning that a repeal will happen, but not immediately.

That makes your thread title dishonest and purposefully misleading. But I'm not at all surprised, seeing as it was you.

And, bingo.

Fake news.
.

 

[yiostheoy]

I think DJ Trump will get into a tizzy with Ryan and McConnell and then veto whatever they have come up with because it is too disruptive.

And that is only after Schumer filibusters it for as long as he can -- until McConnell changes the Senate rules for cloture.

ACA will survive and is here to stay.

Imploding is a GOP myth.

 

[NoNukes]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Even if they replace it, Obama still gets the credit for having something in place.

 

[shockedcanadian]

If they allow people options rather than making it mandatory and provide across state competition, this in itself would be a major improvement.

Also, allow people to pick and choose their coverage as it makes sense.

 

[Mad Scientist]

You can still buy ObamaCare if you want to, there's just no penalty anymore if you don't.

Win/Win.

 

[Little-Acorn]

All you need to do is remove the mandatory coverage clause and it dies on its own.

Which is exactly what Conway said they would probably do. They'll "stop enforcing the mandate".

That way, nobody will be kicked off Obamacare... unless they decide to drop it themselves. (And drop the horrifically high premiums and deductibles.)

It will collapse under its own weight, even faster than it's been collapsing for the last few years.

R.I.P. Obamacare.

 

[edthecynic]

Tramp's equivalent of "you can keep your plan."

Except you really can

Don't count on it.

Well, then you'll know how the rest of us got screwed when obama said we could keep our plans, our doctors.

You got screwed by the greedy insurance companies, Obama had a grandfather clause in the ACA.

 

[AntonToo]

All you need to do is remove the mandatory coverage clause and it dies on its own.

Dear saveliberty
Why not shift the cost of coverage and exchanges to the Democratic party that promised this. Sue Obama Pelosi and all Democrats who voted in the mandates to form an LLC to pay for this program they set up. After all, it is based on a political BELIEF in centralized health care, so like any other advertised program the people who believe in and promised that to donors should be held legally to fulfill the terms they advertised.

If you take it further, these Democrats in federal govt violated civil rights of others by forcing taxpayers to fund opposing beliefs in federal mandates against Constitutional beliefs in due process proving which citizens violated which laws before depriving civil liberties by imposing mandates restricting free choice in how to pay or provide for health care. So these Democrats who abused political and govt power could be sued to reimburse tax money spent on forced policies and mandates that violated the establisment clause of the First Amendment as well as other Constitutional principles and process .

And that refunded money can be ordered used to cover the health care for the citizens they enrolled into exchanges or programs dependent on govt as THEY believe in, but not other taxpayers for whom this is a violation of Constitutional beliefs in limited govt that requires Constitutional Amendment and consent of people and states before conceding individual rights and liberties to federal control .

Note: if you would sign on to a class action lawsuit charging these Democrats for conspiring to violate Constitutional rights of taxpaying citizens by depriving us of liberty without due process and discriminating by creed, let me know. I'd like to write this up and demand reimbursement to taxpayers of all federal funds misspent on ACA and use those credits to cover the health care of those who believe in depending on federal govt, shifting responsibility to the Democratic Party to manage the resources and programs without imposing on any other citizens or parties who believe in free market choices for health care. PoliticalChic would you also sign on to a class action lawsuit demanding Democrats to pay for their own single payer health care system through govt that is opitional to participate in Unless someone is convicted of a crime or violation and owes restitution or agrees to fund the program in order to qualify for benefits under its terms.

Wow - that is dumbest post of the month and believe me, there is no shortage of stupid here from your fellow right wingers.

Sue congressmen for legislation??!
Make people that get paid a hundred million or so pay hundreds of billions program costs?!? How?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Tramp's equivalent of "you can keep your plan."

Except you really can

Don't count on it.

Well, then you'll know how the rest of us got screwed when obama said we could keep our plans, our doctors.

You got screwed by the greedy insurance companies, Obama had a grandfather clause in the ACA.

And while that is true it would not have happened without the enactment of the ACA...I consider the ACA as just an extension of the coverage already in place, I am all in/for a single payer system and consider the ACA a step in that direction.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

There are five words at the end of that headline that pretty much end your thread.

"...in transition to new plan..."

Meaning that a repeal will happen, but not immediately.

That makes your thread title dishonest and purposefully misleading. But I'm not at all surprised, seeing as it was you.

Oh, so you're take is that she's saying, YES 22 million will lose their coverage under the GOP plan, but it will be gradual...

...lol, that's better yet!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Even if they replace it, Obama still gets the credit for having something in place.

Not from them. Obamacare has its highest approval ever. The Republicans are fools, but they aren't fools politically;
they know they're walking into now. A bear trap.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All you need to do is remove the mandatory coverage clause and it dies on its own.

Which is exactly what Conway said they would probably do. They'll "stop enforcing the mandate".

That way, nobody will be kicked off Obamacare... unless they decide to drop it themselves. (And drop the horrifically high premiums and deductibles.)

It will collapse under its own weight, even faster than it's been collapsing for the last few years.

R.I.P. Obamacare.

Are you even aware that people get subsidies buying insurance on the exchanges?

 

[mudwhistle]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

That’s your opinion.

Obamacare is simply a complex way to raise taxes thru mandates. The mandates have been essentially repealed. Trump signed a memo directing all agencies to ignore instituting the mandate portion of Obamacare, which basically removes the damage it caused. In effect, the IRS cannot withhold your refund as of Jan. 20th 2017. It also prevents businesses and insurance companies from punishment for not meeting with the new provisions contained in Obamacare that would go into effect this year.

 

[AntonToo]

Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.

Why? Because it took them 30 fucking years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.

And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat

Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.

Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.

Why? Because it took them 30 fucking years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.

And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat

Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.

Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.

They've been saying repeal or replace for a long time.

Didn't you get the memo?

 

[AntonToo]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

That’s your opinion.

Obamacare is simply a complex way to raise taxes thru mandates. The mandates have been essentially repealed. Trump signed a memo directing all agencies to ignore instituting the mandate portion of Obamacare, which basically removes the damage it caused. In effect, the IRS cannot withhold your refund as of Jan. 20th 2017. It also prevents businesses and insurance companies from punishment for not meeting with the new provisions contained in Obamacare that would go into effect this year.

You are misinformed. IRS can still withhold your refund. Executive order is written in supremely vague language that could mean right about anything as far as enforcement of mandates, because at the end of the day Trump has no authority to repeal any part of the law on his own.

And the order, crucially, notes that agencies can act only “to the maximum extent permitted by law.” (How the Trump administration interprets those permissions, of course, is yet untested.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/...-against-the-health-law-actually-do.html?_r=0

The law is that IRS is to collect penalty if you have no insurance that meets the standard ACA lays out.

 

[AntonToo]

Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.

Why? Because it took them 30 fucking years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.

And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat

Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.

Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.

They've been saying repeal or replace for a long time.

Didn't you get the memo?

...are you aware of the difference between "saying" and real solutions?

They have been saying it because rightwingers EXPECTED them to say nothing less, be it realistic or not. They first and foremost had to promise it, but never had anything resembling a real plan on how to actually do it.

When Obama was running against Hillary he was saying he opposes mandate, but when the rubber met the road he had to let that position go - it ACTUALLY just didn't work.

 

[GHook93]

All you need to do is remove the mandatory coverage clause and it dies on its own.

It is already dying in it's own


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[mudwhistle]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

That’s your opinion.

Obamacare is simply a complex way to raise taxes thru mandates. The mandates have been essentially repealed. Trump signed a memo directing all agencies to ignore instituting the mandate portion of Obamacare, which basically removes the damage it caused. In effect, the IRS cannot withhold your refund as of Jan. 20th 2017. It also prevents businesses and insurance companies from punishment for not meeting with the new provisions contained in Obamacare that would go into effect this year.

You are misinformed. IRS can still withhold your refund. Executive order is written in supremely vague language that could mean right about anything as far as enforcement of mandates, because at the end of the day Trump has no authority to repeal any part of the law on his own.

And the order, crucially, notes that agencies can act only “to the maximum extent permitted by law.” (How the Trump administration interprets those permissions, of course, is yet untested.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/...-against-the-health-law-actually-do.html?_r=0

The law is that IRS is to collect penalty if you have no insurance that meets the standard ACA lays out.

Trump can direct agencies to ignore the law the way Obama decided to ignore immigration laws. If you want to get into a legal a fight over your right to get millions of people kicked off of their health insurance.....go for it.

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans have been at this REPEAL shtick for 7 years and something like 50 repeal votes by now. 7 Years they had to come up with something else, for 7 years they couldn't and to this day they have no credible alternative.

Why? Because it took them 30 fucking years to even come up with Obamacare itself as a market based alternative to single payer liberals usually pushed.

And gullible rightwingers now think that they'll be able to figure this out at a drop of a hat

Anyone that has been around healthcare debate long enough knows that improving on Obamacare from ground up is right near impossible task. The better option was ALWAYS to gradually refine and add to the framework instead of blowing the whole thing up and throwing out all real progress made.

Unfortunately going with a better option has been difficult because we have a reactionary, dead-end movement that has been cultivated by blowhard rightwing pundits that is more interested in opposing anything Obama signed than they are in making well informed and thought out decisions on what is good for America.

They've been saying repeal or replace for a long time.

Didn't you get the memo?

...are you aware of the difference between "saying" and real solutions?

They have been saying it because rightwingers EXPECTED them to say nothing less, be it realistic or not. They first and foremost had to promise it, but never had anything resembling a real plan on how to actually do it.

When Obama was running against Hillary he was saying he opposes mandate, but when the rubber met the road he had to let that position go - it ACTUALLY just didn't work.

******Yawwwwwwwn ******

Stay tuned then, dipshit.