Kamala Harris Denies Govt-Run Single Payer is 'Socialism'

[TheProgressivePatriot]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program, Lastly, I ask so what if it is socialism? When did that become a dirty word. We have had elements of socialism in this country since the progressive movement of the early 1900 when Teddy Roosevelt understood that government can and should be an instrument to better the lives of people.

 

[boedicca]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

 

[dblack]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

This shell game dems are playing is getting old. It would be much more productive if they stopped equivocating and defended their agenda honestly.

 

[MAGAman]

I’m saying that socialism is a broad term and she is trying to distance the idea of Medicare for all as being sbout Venezuela brand of socialism. Yes, what she said was misleading, but it I needed to be said because Americans are stupid.

No, it needed to be said because the people she thinks will vote for her are stupid.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

 

[boedicca]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

It's Socialism. You can spin it any way you'd like, but that doesn't change the fact that Single Payer (NATIONALIZED) Healthcare is de facto Socialism.

 

[deanrd]

Bro just look at the VA, there's no accountability for all their screw ups and patient deaths. That's what Medicare for all would be like.

Oh, I agree.

In my mom's case, I was just pointing out how the govt should butt the hell out, stop protecting doctors, and stop helping them screw over the people they hurt.

Government should butt out of most of what they are doing.

That’s what Republicans say about consumer protection. They don’t want to consumers protected. Republicans want everybody screwed over except for billionaires. They get tax cuts.

 

[BluesLegend]

That’s what Republicans say about consumer protection. They don’t want to consumers protected. Republicans want everybody screwed over except for billionaires. They get tax cuts.

You lie because...well lets be honest you can't win a debate on the issues.

 

[deanrd]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

Republicans like unregulated so much, they don’t want speed limits.and they don’t want food protected. They don’t even want crosswalks and stop signs.
And they feel if you eat something poison then you just don’t buy it again. Why do you need unnecessary regulations?

 

[deanrd]

That’s what Republicans say about consumer protection. They don’t want to consumers protected. Republicans want everybody screwed over except for billionaires. They get tax cuts.

You lie because...well lets be honest you can't win a debate on the issues.

Except they say they don’t want regulations and they gave massive tax cuts to billionaires. I don’t know how that’s a lie.

 

[BluesLegend]

That’s what Republicans say about consumer protection. They don’t want to consumers protected. Republicans want everybody screwed over except for billionaires. They get tax cuts.

You lie because...well lets be honest you can't win a debate on the issues.

Except they say they don’t want regulations and they gave massive tax cuts to billionaires. I don’t know how that’s a lie.

Name them you hack.

 

[rightwinger]

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

It's Socialism. You can spin it any way you'd like, but that doesn't change the fact that Single Payer (NATIONALIZED) Healthcare is de facto Socialism.

If it costs less and provides better care

Why do you care?

 

[boedicca]

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

It's Socialism. You can spin it any way you'd like, but that doesn't change the fact that Single Payer (NATIONALIZED) Healthcare is de facto Socialism.

If it costs less and provides better care

Why do you care?

I care because I'm a free human being, not a serf or slave...and I am wise enough to know that one size fits all health care is actually no size fits anyone.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

It's Socialism. You can spin it any way you'd like, but that doesn't change the fact that Single Payer (NATIONALIZED) Healthcare is de facto Socialism.

OK fine! It's "socialism' But it's only a word that has many manifestation. Your problem, and that of other here is that you have a ridged, anti-intellectual, black and view of socialism where its' socialism vs. capitalism and can't grasp the fact tat the are many nuances and gradients in between -and that we have had some form of socialism for a long time. You have to get away from the moronic and simplistic idea of "Socialist bad" -Everything else good" mentality

 

[WillPower]

That’s what Republicans say about consumer protection. They don’t want to consumers protected. Republicans want everybody screwed over except for billionaires. They get tax cuts.

Right....we enjoy oil-slick water to drink, pieces of razor blades in our goulash, DDT lathered lettuce and poison mushrooms....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....moron.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Right wing autocrats and Trumpanzees plan to attack every Democrats character who seeks the office of President, with constant threads attacking their character sans evidence.

Let me guess, you want to go back to the early days when Obama was running and declare the Democratic party candidates' histories don't matter and should be off limits, like Barry's was?

You want anything the Democrats do or say - like supporting AOC's 'Mystical Socialist Global Warming Plan' or rushing to support Smollett's Hate Crime Hoax to be off limits?



Here's a novel idea...why don't you and your fellow snowflake and Democrats agree to stop attacking, insulting, demonizing, and falsely accusing the GOP / Conservatives. Instead try campaigning on actual policies, plans, and WHY their candidates should be elected, not why the GOP shouldn't. I would gladly do the same.


The reason Hillary did not do it, campaign on her own merits, was because she had nothing. She could not even win her own party's nomination, and as for her policies and ideas - they were Obama 2.0.

Pelosi shut down the govt to Hurt Trump's chances in 2020 because she knows none of the clowns running right now can beat Trump by themselves talking up their own merits and ideas.

Destroying the President is the best hope Democrats have at beating him because they can't run on their own merit and do so.

Are there unicorns in your very own reality too?

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

then why are the dems forcing it so hard?

Because Medicare for all provides for the common defense, against heart disease, diabetes, cancers, and transmittable diseases; thus it promotes the general welfare.

Because early detection is many times curable, less expensive to treat and cost effective.

Preventative medicine has a cost benefit, to the end user and the community in which they live and when in close quarters on public transportation, on elevators and in movie theaters, restaurants and in office / schools and gun shows.

 

[Wry Catcher]

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Who says, you? What you described is fascism.

 

[easyt65]

"Right wing autocrats and Trumpanzees plan to attack every Democrats character who seeks the office of President, with constant threads attacking their character sans evidence.

Let me guess, you want to go back to the early days when Obama was running and declare the Democratic party candidates' histories don't matter and should be off limits, like Barry's was?

You want anything the Democrats do or say - like supporting AOC's 'Mystical Socialist Global Warming Plan' or rushing to support Smollett's Hate Crime Hoax to be off limits?



Here's a novel idea...why don't you and your fellow snowflake and Democrats agree to stop attacking, insulting, demonizing, and falsely accusing the GOP / Conservatives. Instead try campaigning on actual policies, plans, and WHY their candidates should be elected, not why the GOP shouldn't. I would gladly do the same.


The reason Hillary did not do it, campaign on her own merits, was because she had nothing. She could not even win her own party's nomination, and as for her policies and ideas - they were Obama 2.0.

Pelosi shut down the govt to Hurt Trump's chances in 2020 because she knows none of the clowns running right now can beat Trump by themselves talking up their own merits and ideas.

Destroying the President is the best hope Democrats have at beating him because they can't run on their own merit and do so.

Are there unicorns in your very own reality too?

She's just as dumb as AOC without the crazy eyes.

It is NOT socialized medicine. Before you call someone dumb, you should understand what socialism is. The doctors, hospitals, labs and whatever will still be private for profit. Even the private insurance companies will continue to thrive because people will need insurance to supplement the Medicare. This just hysteria about socialism and it's stupid

then why are the dems forcing it so hard?

Because Medicare for all provides for the common defense, against heart disease, diabetes, cancers, and transmittable diseases; thus it promotes the general welfare.

Because early detection is many times curable, less expensive to treat and cost effective.

Preventative medicine has a cost benefit, to the end user and the community in which they live and when in close quarters on public transportation, on elevators and in movie theaters, restaurants and in office / schools and gun shows.

Unicorns?

You've used that one already? What's the matter - running out of Talking Points?



Maybe you two should get together and reminisce about your college days, smoking pot and listening to Snoop Dog...before he started making records.

 

[boedicca]

No. It's not Communism (where the government owns everything) but it IS Socialism. Socialism allows for private ownership, but government CONTROLS everything. In single-payer, the government has absolute control via price setting, mandated services, compensation, etc.

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   

   [*]a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   leftist· Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism ·
   [more]
   [*](in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

It's Socialism. You can spin it any way you'd like, but that doesn't change the fact that Single Payer (NATIONALIZED) Healthcare is de facto Socialism.

OK fine! It's "socialism' But it's only a word that has many manifestation. Your problem, and that of other here is that you have a ridged, anti-intellectual, black and view of socialism where its' socialism vs. capitalism and can't grasp the fact tat the are many nuances and gradients in between -and that we have had some form of socialism for a long time. You have to get away from the moronic and simplistic idea of "Socialist bad" -Everything else good" mentality

The inevitable manifestation of Socialism is a slave state.

That's the big secret the Progs want to hide from us, but their TDS has caused them to out their real agenda.