Justice Roberts second guesses policy making decision on census, violates separation of powers

[Dragonlady]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

Nobody said anything never occurred to them.

The point you ignore is that it's a legitimate question.

Well it might be a legitimate question but the potential for abuse of the answers means that it should not be asked. The purpose of the census is to count the numbers and ages of people living in the United States for the purpose of programs and representation. Anything that might affect the accuracy of the account is basically screwing with the entire reason for doing the count in the first place.

 

[occupied]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

Nobody said anything never occurred to them.

The point you ignore is that it's a legitimate question.

No it isn't. It's designed to skew the results. The mission of the census is to be as accurate as possible and totally non-partisan. There is no way the question would yield an accurate result so why have it? The answer is obvious. Republicans want an under-count in immigrant communities for when districts are redrawn and when federal money gets spent.

Wait you admit blue states are welfare states?

All states have poor people. Do you really want to compare poverty rates in red vs blue states? You really don't.

I will destroy you..


You don't comprehend buying power.

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You couldn't destroy anything except a golden corral buffet.

 

[joaquinmiller]

My only real problem with the ruling is that Roberts stated that it might be legal for other reasons, just not the one given. It is legal or not. The reason should not matter.

The Administrative Procedure Act says the reason does matter, and sets forth criteria for establishing reasons, asking for comment from potentially-aggrieved parties, etc. Roberts said using a phony pretext doesn't comply with the Act.

If the Admin had been honest from the start (that's a pretty good one, isn't it?), it would likely not have run afoul of the USSC. It compounded the error by insisting time was of the essence - to allow for printing of the forms. After the decision went against the Admin, Trump decided timing was no longer relevant. Trump can't keep a story straight for five minutes.

 

[MAGAman]

Those questions do not compel people to throw the form in the trash.

So committing crimes is good, but asking questions is bad.

Hot take

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nobody said anything never occurred to them.

The point you ignore is that it's a legitimate question.

No it isn't. It's designed to skew the results. The mission of the census is to be as accurate as possible and totally non-partisan. There is no way the question would yield an accurate result so why have it? The answer is obvious. Republicans want an under-count in immigrant communities for when districts are redrawn and when federal money gets spent.

Wait you admit blue states are welfare states?

All states have poor people. Do you really want to compare poverty rates in red vs blue states? You really don't.

I will destroy you..


You don't comprehend buying power.

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You couldn't destroy anything except a golden corral buffet.

Sounds good you buying?

 

[skews13]

Except that legislative power had nothing to do with anything here.

Uhhh. Yes. It does.

It is the Congress legislative power to determine if a census question on citizenship is legal. And POTUS's power to sign or veto it. Not the SCOTUS's.

Well then you just lost your own argument. The question has not been on the Census since the 1950's, so the President would have to have an authorization from Congress to add the question, and cannot do so by Executive Order.

Thanks for playing.

 

[occupied]

No it isn't. It's designed to skew the results. The mission of the census is to be as accurate as possible and totally non-partisan. There is no way the question would yield an accurate result so why have it? The answer is obvious. Republicans want an under-count in immigrant communities for when districts are redrawn and when federal money gets spent.

BS.

It's a necessary question. The information directly affects the allocation of tax $s.

Your argument suggests the Federal Government should assist lawbreakers by hiding illegal activity.

It's not even an argument. An under-count is the intent of the question. I know it and you know it. Quit trying to bullshit people with these spurious legal arguments.

 

[occupied]

No it isn't. It's designed to skew the results. The mission of the census is to be as accurate as possible and totally non-partisan. There is no way the question would yield an accurate result so why have it? The answer is obvious. Republicans want an under-count in immigrant communities for when districts are redrawn and when federal money gets spent.

Wait you admit blue states are welfare states?

All states have poor people. Do you really want to compare poverty rates in red vs blue states? You really don't.

I will destroy you..


You don't comprehend buying power.

.

You couldn't destroy anything except a golden corral buffet.

Sounds good you buying?

Hell no. That place is disgusting.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Wait you admit blue states are welfare states?

All states have poor people. Do you really want to compare poverty rates in red vs blue states? You really don't.

I will destroy you..


You don't comprehend buying power.

.

You couldn't destroy anything except a golden corral buffet.

Sounds good you buying?

Hell no. That place is disgusting.

How about chic fil A?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Except that legislative power had nothing to do with anything here.

Uhhh. Yes. It does.

It is the Congress legislative power to determine if a census question on citizenship is legal. And POTUS's power to sign or veto it. Not the SCOTUS's.

You're kidding right?

It is scotus's job to determine constitutionality, no one else's.

Really creep? And just where did the courts derive such extraordinary power? I know you have never read the Constitution, but it provides no such authority to the court.

 

[occupied]

All states have poor people. Do you really want to compare poverty rates in red vs blue states? You really don't.

I will destroy you..


You don't comprehend buying power.

.

You couldn't destroy anything except a golden corral buffet.

Sounds good you buying?

Hell no. That place is disgusting.

How about chic fil A?

How about something that isn't a pile of deep-fried, gravy smothered carbo-garbage? Start eating better you'll be happier.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No it isn't. It's designed to skew the results. The mission of the census is to be as accurate as possible and totally non-partisan. There is no way the question would yield an accurate result so why have it? The answer is obvious. Republicans want an under-count in immigrant communities for when districts are redrawn and when federal money gets spent.

Skew the results to not favor non-citizens illegally occupying the nation?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Yes, Roberts' reasoning was stunningly absurd. He argued that the Trump administration had to provide proof that it duly and consistently reasoned and analyzed when reaching its decision to include the citizenship question on the census. But that is utter nonsense. The issue is whether or not the executive branch has the right to include a question about citizenship on the census, not how it made its decision to include the question.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I will destroy you..


You don't comprehend buying power.

.

You couldn't destroy anything except a golden corral buffet.

Sounds good you buying?

Hell no. That place is disgusting.

How about chic fil A?

How about something that isn't a pile of deep-fried, gravy smothered carbo-garbage? Start eating better you'll be happier.

No thanks I don't exploit brown people for cheap rabbit food.


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[Wyatt earp]

Yes, Roberts' reasoning was stunningly absurd. He argued that the Trump administration had to provide proof that it duly and consistently reasoned and analyzed when reaching its decision to include the citizenship question on the census. But that is utter nonsense. The issue is whether or not the executive branch has the right to include a question about citizenship on the census, not how it made its decision to include the question.

Exactly, they are arguing on social media.. not the Constitution.

 

[MAGAman]

Well then you just lost your own argument. The question has not been on the Census since the 1950's, so the President would have to have an authorization from Congress to add the question, and cannot do so by Executive Order.

Thanks for playing.

You lefties are so cute when you think you have a 'gotcha'.

Congress has previously forwarded authority in this matter to the Executive Branch via legislation. It will take new legislation to remove it.

I understand but don't have a link to the Obama admin using a citizenship question on mini-census forms.

 

[occupied]

No it isn't. It's designed to skew the results. The mission of the census is to be as accurate as possible and totally non-partisan. There is no way the question would yield an accurate result so why have it? The answer is obvious. Republicans want an under-count in immigrant communities for when districts are redrawn and when federal money gets spent.

Skew the results to not favor non-citizens illegally occupying the nation?

Skewing the results defeats the purpose of the census. It's just another example of republicans targeting democracy itself because they think it is against them.

 

[OldLady]

It appears with all the noise about the question “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” we are overlooking Justice Roberts has usurped legislative power by second guessing a legitimate policy making decision.

Except that legislative power had nothing to do with anything here.

Oh, but it does. Congress delegated almost unlimited power to Executive Office with regard to the census. Additionally, this is a policy making decision, and our courts are not there to second guess policy making decisions.

JWK

Purposely trying to make the census inaccurate is NOT just a policy making decision. Well, it is, but it is illegal as hell. The Census is mandated every ten years.

I'm not sure why there is such a big fuss over asking the question this year. Our illegal population is actually shrinking they say and the question doesn't ask if you are here illegally. Is this more shrieking by the Never Trumpers?

 

[MAGAman]

It's not even an argument. An under-count is the intent of the question. I know it and you know it. Quit trying to bullshit people with these spurious legal arguments.

You can repeat the same lie over and over if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a legitimate question that needs to be answered.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans fucked themselves on this by using any excuse to justify the question and acting as if the idea of a deliberate under-count of the census never occurred to them. No one likes to be bullshitted to their face.

True.

And the notion that Republicans were ‘concerned’ about ‘safeguarding’ voting rights is as ridiculous as it is unbelievable.