Just 16 unarmed black men killed by Police in 2016, 36 in 2015...justifies Knee-Gate?

[harmonica]

your argument is wrong
white people usually carry guns-they are not waving them around
hahahhahahahah---wrong
here is a video of a white man doing exactly as the police say, spread out on ground--NOT a threat--and still beat

white lady shot by police while holding a baby doing NOTHING wrong
Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia

Remember the Oregon stand-off in January 2016 ?

A dozen or so armed white men took over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in south-eastern Oregon. Led by Ammon Bundy, son of Cliven Bundy.

• The government didn't sent armoured vehicles or anyone with guns, tasers, tear gas or sound cannons.
• It didn't charge anyone with a crime or make any arrests.
• It didn't brought in armed soldiers.

Only can a group of white militants cross state lines, take over federal property without facing any physical resistance.

And they had an extensive arsenal of weapons and stated they were willing for violent confrontation. But the takeover wasn’t met with any immediate push-back by local or federal authorities.

In fact, very little occurred until Jan. 26, when Bundy and 11 others were arrested and one man (spokesman Robert ‘LaVoy’ Finicum) was shot and killed by police after reaching for a loaded gun at a traffic stop.

Yet when Ferguson was outraged over the death of a black youth, military tanks and artillery were used against the black community.

When Baltimore was outraged over the unjust death of another black person (Freddy Gray), military tanks and artillery were used against the black community.

Cliven Bundy’s followers who were armed can take over a federal building in Oregon and not be threatened with military weaponry.

Even moreso. They (white men) had the privilege of negotiating, even though America says they don't negotiate with terrorists

If this armed militia group were black men ?

If black folks with guns were holed up somewhere, none of them would be living. They would have blown up the entire building

It would have been like The MOVE bombing in 1985

In Philadelphia the police in the US bombed the house of MOVE. A Black back-to-nature movement. 11 people were killed. 5 were children, ages 5 to 13.

The fire department stood there and did nothing. 61 houses in the mostly Black, West Philly neighbourhood were gone.

Tear gas was thrown into the building to smoke them out. But when someone started shooting back, the officers returned the gunfire with 10,000 rounds.

Then, without knowing how many people were inside, they began throwing explosives at the house. And when nobody came out, they dropped a bomb from a helicopter, setting off a fire that spread to 65 homes and that firefighters were ordered not to put out.

The grand jury saw no crime. No one was ever sent to prison.

they did shoot one of them

 

[harmonica]

your argument is wrong
white people usually carry guns-they are not waving them around
hahahhahahahah---wrong
here is a video of a white man doing exactly as the police say, spread out on ground--NOT a threat--and still beat

white lady shot by police while holding a baby doing NOTHING wrong
Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia

Remember the Oregon stand-off in January 2016 ?

A dozen or so armed white men took over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in south-eastern Oregon. Led by Ammon Bundy, son of Cliven Bundy.

• The government didn't sent armoured vehicles or anyone with guns, tasers, tear gas or sound cannons.
• It didn't charge anyone with a crime or make any arrests.
• It didn't brought in armed soldiers.

Only can a group of white militants cross state lines, take over federal property without facing any physical resistance.

And they had an extensive arsenal of weapons and stated they were willing for violent confrontation. But the takeover wasn’t met with any immediate push-back by local or federal authorities.

In fact, very little occurred until Jan. 26, when Bundy and 11 others were arrested and one man (spokesman Robert ‘LaVoy’ Finicum) was shot and killed by police after reaching for a loaded gun at a traffic stop.

Yet when Ferguson was outraged over the death of a black youth, military tanks and artillery were used against the black community.

When Baltimore was outraged over the unjust death of another black person (Freddy Gray), military tanks and artillery were used against the black community.

Cliven Bundy’s followers who were armed can take over a federal building in Oregon and not be threatened with military weaponry.

Even moreso. They (white men) had the privilege of negotiating, even though America says they don't negotiate with terrorists

If this armed militia group were black men ?

If black folks with guns were holed up somewhere, none of them would be living. They would have blown up the entire building

It would have been like The MOVE bombing in 1985

In Philadelphia the police in the US bombed the house of MOVE. A Black back-to-nature movement. 11 people were killed. 5 were children, ages 5 to 13.

The fire department stood there and did nothing. 61 houses in the mostly Black, West Philly neighbourhood were gone.

Tear gas was thrown into the building to smoke them out. But when someone started shooting back, the officers returned the gunfire with 10,000 rounds.

Then, without knowing how many people were inside, they began throwing explosives at the house. And when nobody came out, they dropped a bomb from a helicopter, setting off a fire that spread to 65 homes and that firefighters were ordered not to put out.

The grand jury saw no crime. No one was ever sent to prison.

you haven't proved it was because of skin color

 

[JQPublic1]

MBrown-ASterling, KScott, FGray, EGarner, ASmith, ---ALL CRIMINALS.
yes--they are protesting for criminals---for criminality
are these mentioned above not criminals???
Sterling, Smith and Scott had guns!!!
MBrown attacked a clerk and cop
Garner was a life long criminal with MANY arrests

What is your point? Martha Stewart is also a criminal, should she be shot and killed?

Martha Stewart didn't resist arrest. Remember these top ten points?
I'm going to continue putting this list up EVERY time someone defends resistance to a cop doing what they are paid to do... keep the peace!
10 Rules of Survival if Stopped by the Police
1. Be polite and respectful when stopped by the police. Keep your mouth closed.
2. Remember that your goal is to get home safely. If you feel that your rights have been violated, you and your parents have the right to file a formal complaint with your local police jurisdiction.
3. Don’t, under any circumstance, get into an argument with the police.
4. Always remember that anything you say or do can be used against you in court.
5. Keep your hands in plain sight and make sure the police can see your hands at all times.
6. Avoid physical contact with the police. No sudden movements, and keep hands out of your pockets.
7. Do not run, even if you are afraid of the police.
8. Even if you believe that you are innocent, do not resist arrest.
9. Don’t make any statements about the incident until you are able to meet with a lawyer or public defender.
10. Stay calm and remain in control. Watch your words, body language and emotions.
10 Rules of Survival if Stopped by the Police | Talk Back | PBS

I absolutely GUARANTEE if you have NOT done anything criminally but you are stopped by the police if you keep the above 10 rules YOU will live!

Mr. Copy and Paste is back!!! I didn't defend resisting a cop you dumb ass. I don't think resisting deserves a bullet in your back. People get drunk and resist cops every single day. They most often get a taser and a night in the drunk tank. Cops absolutely deserve the ability to defend themselves and if somebody is armed and attacking them then of course they are justified to fire back. But they need better training on how to deescalate in a non-violent way and they also need more accountability when they abuse their power.

Most cops handle rowdy or mentally challenged people quite well. Its just tlhat they silently tolerate the few psychopaths in their ranks and become indirectly complicit when the bastard kills a defenseless human being. But thats ok...there are usually no consequences.

there--you just said it--''a few''--it's not a bunch of cops doing it is it??
and as stated before--most of those shot were threats--as ruled by civil, American, proper, law-abiding, etc courts

Careful. Inserting ihat "bunch of cops" clause into the conversation might cause objective readers to think I actually said that when I didn't. The "bunch of cops" clause sounds too much like an insinuation that all cops are targets of the pro justice for blacks side of this debate. Thats not the case. My theme here has, from the beginning, centered on cops who kill unarmed citizens and the system that allows them to get away with it.
And, again, you erroneously claim that "most were threats as as ruled by civil, American, proper, law-abiding, etc courts." Yet you refuse to respond to the counter argument whereas I
pointed out that one bigotted juror can cause a hung jury by ignoring damning video evidence or a biased judge can ignore evidence against a cop who planted a gun on his victim. That is a corrupt criminal justice system.

 

[JQPublic1]

Blacks aren't protesting FOR criminals they are protesting the injustice of the system that allows cops who indiscriminately kill unarmed people to get away with murder. The protests have caused some prosecutors to give them their day in court, but even then, all it takes is one white bigot in the system to avert justice. All it takes is one white bigot to get a hung jury in these high profile cases, And if the cop opts for a trial by judge in lieu of a jury, we get bizarre verdicts like the one handed down in the trial of Michael Brelo who killed an unarmed couple after a care chase. The same evidence that would convict a black man of murder is not good enough to convict a cop.

MBrown-ASterling, KScott, FGray, EGarner, ASmith, ---ALL CRIMINALS.
yes--they are protesting for criminals---for criminality
are these mentioned above not criminals???
Sterling, Smith and Scott had guns!!!
MBrown attacked a clerk and cop
Garner was a life long criminal with MANY arrests

What is your point? Martha Stewart is also a criminal, should she be shot and killed?

Martha Stewart didn't resist arrest. Remember these top ten points?
I'm going to continue putting this list up EVERY time someone defends resistance to a cop doing what they are paid to do... keep the peace!
10 Rules of Survival if Stopped by the Police
1. Be polite and respectful when stopped by the police. Keep your mouth closed.
2. Remember that your goal is to get home safely. If you feel that your rights have been violated, you and your parents have the right to file a formal complaint with your local police jurisdiction.
3. Don’t, under any circumstance, get into an argument with the police.
4. Always remember that anything you say or do can be used against you in court.
5. Keep your hands in plain sight and make sure the police can see your hands at all times.
6. Avoid physical contact with the police. No sudden movements, and keep hands out of your pockets.
7. Do not run, even if you are afraid of the police.
8. Even if you believe that you are innocent, do not resist arrest.
9. Don’t make any statements about the incident until you are able to meet with a lawyer or public defender.
10. Stay calm and remain in control. Watch your words, body language and emotions.
10 Rules of Survival if Stopped by the Police | Talk Back | PBS

I absolutely GUARANTEE if you have NOT done anything criminally but you are stopped by the police if you keep the above 10 rules YOU will live!

You can't guarantee a damn thing except that you will continue to infect this thread with BS.

so you can't prove they were shot because of their skin color
you can't prove they were found not guilty because of their skin color
all you can do is attack me

I have produced FBI statistics showing Whitesmore violent crimes than black males do.
But i see nothing to explain the disparity showing unarmed blacks are 7 times more
Likely to die at the hands of cops than White people are..yet...at the same time I recognize that most interactions between cops and blacks don't end in death...even when your 10 survival points are unknown to either the cop or the arrestee.

 

[Paul Essien]

YOU are not only a black idiot but a black f...king LIAR!!!

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Show me the stats for UNARMED white men being killed the police in comparison to unarmed black men.

But I know the general stats

The USA is 72% white (Approx). Black people (Approx) are around 10% of the USA population (approx). That means there are 7 times more whites in the USA than blacks.

So for police killings of white people to be on the same scale as they are for black people. That figure of 269 should be 269*7 = 1883.

The answer is simple.

If whites really object to whites being killed then whites need to be just as vociferous as black people are and protest about police brutality against whites on the same scale that Blacks do

If all people are really suffering from police brutality equally, then wouldn’t you think that White people should be complaining about the POLICE, rather than complaining about Blacks calling out the police ?

But the fact is, white people will support harsher government policies if they’ll hurt blacks. even if they could potentially be used against whites too.

It’s an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Paul Essien]

you haven't proved it was because of skin color

You can't prove racism to most whites.

If I said to you. "There was racism in 1965"

You'd say "Yeah I agree"

But guess what ? What do you think whites said in 1965 ? Yup. Gallup polls showed that they thought racism was not a problem and Martin Luther King was trouble causer and blacks had just as good of chance to get jobs, housing and education as whites. This is in 1965.

White people benefit racism. Racism allows whites to live in a racist society and not notice. It seems “normal”. Blacks have twice the unemployment rate of whites? There must be something wrong with blacks and on top of that whites control the cultural institutions that determine “truth”. The press, universities, scientific journals, museums, schoolbooks, etc. From this comes whits scripted denials “Get over it!”, “Blacks are racist too!”, “Africans sold their own into slavery!”

Racism is “proved” psychologically, not intellectually.

Most people believe in racism not because they read it in a book, but because they experienced it first-hand. For blacks the experience is direct. For whites, it comes through seeing family, friends or lovers subjected to racism

But 90% of the time even then they will still discount it for the reasons above.

 

[healthmyths]

YOU are not only a black idiot but a black f...king LIAR!!!

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Show me the stats for UNARMED white men being killed the police in comparison to unarmed black men.

But I know the general stats

The USA is 72% white (Approx). Black people (Approx) are around 10% of the USA population (approx). That means there are 7 times more whites in the USA than blacks.

So for police killings of white people to be on the same scale as they are for black people. That figure of 269 should be 269*7 = 1883.

The answer is simple.

If whites really object to whites being killed then whites need to be just as vociferous as black people are and protest about police brutality against whites on the same scale that Blacks do

If all people are really suffering from police brutality equally, then wouldn’t you think that White people should be complaining about the POLICE, rather than complaining about Blacks calling out the police ?

But the fact is, white people will support harsher government policies if they’ll hurt blacks. even if they could potentially be used against whites too.

It’s an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The following applies to both WHITES and Blacks!

 

[Paul Essien]

The following applies to both WHITES and Blacks!
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So once again how do you explain a white man who can do this to cops and not be shot

All of sudden they remember there tasers with white men.

Or the way white ppl can parade around with guns and not be shot, tased or in any way abused by officers. Even when whites threaten those officers.

Or the white people can verbally taunt and abuse those officers outside a school. Even when they bring that weapon to a parkbetween the White House and Capitol building, and proceed to issue political threats, nothing happens to them

Or the way a white man can point his weapon at officers, refuse to drop that weapon when told to do so, and even demand that the officers “drop their f*cking guns,” as happened last year in New Orleans and still be alive..

Or the a white man can shoot at cops with a BB gun and not be violently beaten or killed for his actions, as happened in the USA last year. Or that white guys can shoot up a Walmart in Idaho and be taken into custody without injury.

Or point a gun at cops in Pennsylvania and not be killed or injured. Or point a gun at firefighters in Phoenixand not get shot when the cops arrive.

Or a white woman can shoot up a neighborhood and lead cops on a car chase during which she also shoots at them, as happened last year in the USA, and still live to tell the story.

I mean. That 10 point thing looks very nice but there are two different sets of law. One for white and one for blacks

 

[healthmyths]

The following applies to both WHITES and Blacks!
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So once again how do you explain a white man who can do this to cops and not be shot

All of sudden they remember there tasers with white men.

Or the way white ppl can parade around with guns and not be shot, tased or in any way abused by officers. Even when whites threaten those officers.

Or the white people can verbally taunt and abuse those officers outside a school. Even when they bring that weapon to a parkbetween the White House and Capitol building, and proceed to issue political threats, nothing happens to them

Or the way a white man can point his weapon at officers, refuse to drop that weapon when told to do so, and even demand that the officers “drop their f*cking guns,” as happened last year in New Orleans and still be alive..

Or the a white man can shoot at cops with a BB gun and not be violently beaten or killed for his actions, as happened in the USA last year. Or that white guys can shoot up a Walmart in Idaho and be taken into custody without injury.

Or point a gun at cops in Pennsylvania and not be killed or injured. Or point a gun at firefighters in Phoenixand not get shot when the cops arrive.

Or a white woman can shoot up a neighborhood and lead cops on a car chase during which she also shoots at them, as happened last year in the USA, and still live to tell the story.

I mean. That 10 point thing looks very nice but there are two different sets of law. One for white and one for blacks

And everyone of of your "sources" are biased FAKE news sites!
Source: of 10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police
10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police
Source: Huffington Post biased FAKE news!

 

[Paul Essien]

And everyone of of your "sources" are biased FAKE news sites!
Source: of 10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police
10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police
Source: Huffington Post biased FAKE news!

I'll say this to you once more.

Show me scores of unarmed white men who got killed by the Police in 2016

Because we both know most of the black people who get shot and killed by the Police are unarmed.

And by the way. Don't find some random white man who got shot unarmed by the Police in Idaho

 

[healthmyths]

And everyone of of your "sources" are biased FAKE news sites!
Source: of 10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police
10 Armed White Men Who Did Not Die By the Police
Source: Huffington Post biased FAKE news!

I'll say this to you once more.

Show me scores of unarmed white men who got killed by the Police in 2016

Because we both know most of the black people who get shot and killed by the Police are unarmed.

And by the way. Don't find some random white man who got shot unarmed by the Police in Idaho

Nearly two times the amount of white men killed by police then BLACK men!
Now again you are NOT being totally honest about the DEATHS of these BLACK MEN!!!
FACT disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes are committed by black Americans.

Because detailed FBI data on crime can lag by several years, the most-cited statistics on this point refer to 2009 data. According to that data, out of all violent crimes in which someone was charged, black Americans were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the country’s 75 biggest counties — despite the fact that black Americans made up just 15 percent of the population in those places.

“Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force,” wrote Heather Mac Donald, a conservative researcher, in a Wall Street Journal column headlined “The Myths of Black Lives Matter” that was originally published in February and re-published this weekend. The assertion that the black men and women killed by police are primarily violent criminals and the explanation for racial disparities in who gets killed by law enforcement is the premise of Mac Donald’s new book, “The War on Cops.”
“Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis,” Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April.
WHY!!!!!!! “But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods.”

Now if you'd just admit that MOST (again NOT all like you keep contending cops kill only black unarmed youths...!!!) black youths that commit MOST of the crimes in these predominantly black neighborhoods are and here again the FACTS support this as a BLACK economist Walter Williams has shown:

Most black youths today raised by single mother who IS NOT the male authority figure that the cops are when a black youth/cop confrontation occurs!
YOU as a black person SHOULD be painfully aware that if you are not raised in a two parent family and only by a female YOU will NoT have the advantage that
black youths with two parents have i.e. recognizing that males are by GENETICS prone to be authority figures...i.e. Cops! Cops are authority figures and if you don't follow the ten simple rules I keep posting YOU will be killed as a WHITE or a BLACK ignorant anti-authority idiot!

 

[Paul Essien]

Nearly two times the amount of white men killed by police then BLACK men!
Now again you are NOT being totally honest about the DEATHS of these BLACK MEN!!!
FACT disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes are committed by black Americans.

Because detailed FBI data on crime can lag by several years, the most-cited statistics on this point refer to 2009 data. According to that data, out of all violent crimes in which someone was charged, black Americans were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the country’s 75 biggest counties — despite the fact that black Americans made up just 15 percent of the population in those places.

“Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force,” wrote Heather Mac Donald, a conservative researcher, in a Wall Street Journal column headlined “The Myths of Black Lives Matter” that was originally published in February and re-published this weekend. The assertion that the black men and women killed by police are primarily violent criminals and the explanation for racial disparities in who gets killed by law enforcement is the premise of Mac Donald’s new book, “The War on Cops.”
“Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis,” Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April.
WHY!!!!!!! “But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods.”

Now if you'd just admit that MOST (again NOT all like you keep contending cops kill only black unarmed youths...!!!) black youths that commit MOST of the crimes in these predominantly black neighborhoods are and here again the FACTS support this as a BLACK economist Walter Williams has shown:
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Most black youths today raised by single mother who IS NOT the male authority figure that the cops are when a black youth/cop confrontation occurs!
YOU as a black person SHOULD be painfully aware that if you are not raised in a two parent family and only by a female YOU will NoT have the advantage that
black youths with two parents have i.e. recognizing that males are by GENETICS prone to be authority figures...i.e. Cops! Cops are authority figures and if you don't follow the ten simple rules I keep posting YOU will be killed as a WHITE or a BLACK ignorant anti-authority idiot!

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Dude. You're all over the place. Because you felt cornered and can't answer my question you try to shift the topic to so called black crime on black crime and single black mothers.

My response to that is : How does black people killing black people affect white people ?

Exactly. It doesn't. So let's not play games and you sit there as if ur bothered if one black person kills another black person.

But we can come to that later.

But this was not the crux of the debate

l'll say this to you once more.

Show me scores of unarmed white men who got killed by the Police in 2016

 

[healthmyths]

Nearly two times the amount of white men killed by police then BLACK men!
Now again you are NOT being totally honest about the DEATHS of these BLACK MEN!!!
FACT disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes are committed by black Americans.

Because detailed FBI data on crime can lag by several years, the most-cited statistics on this point refer to 2009 data. According to that data, out of all violent crimes in which someone was charged, black Americans were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the country’s 75 biggest counties — despite the fact that black Americans made up just 15 percent of the population in those places.

“Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force,” wrote Heather Mac Donald, a conservative researcher, in a Wall Street Journal column headlined “The Myths of Black Lives Matter” that was originally published in February and re-published this weekend. The assertion that the black men and women killed by police are primarily violent criminals and the explanation for racial disparities in who gets killed by law enforcement is the premise of Mac Donald’s new book, “The War on Cops.”
“Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis,” Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April.
WHY!!!!!!! “But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods.”

Now if you'd just admit that MOST (again NOT all like you keep contending cops kill only black unarmed youths...!!!) black youths that commit MOST of the crimes in these predominantly black neighborhoods are and here again the FACTS support this as a BLACK economist Walter Williams has shown:
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Most black youths today raised by single mother who IS NOT the male authority figure that the cops are when a black youth/cop confrontation occurs!
YOU as a black person SHOULD be painfully aware that if you are not raised in a two parent family and only by a female YOU will NoT have the advantage that
black youths with two parents have i.e. recognizing that males are by GENETICS prone to be authority figures...i.e. Cops! Cops are authority figures and if you don't follow the ten simple rules I keep posting YOU will be killed as a WHITE or a BLACK ignorant anti-authority idiot!

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Dude. You're all over the place. Because you felt cornered and can't answer my question you try to shift the topic to so called black crime on black crime and single black mothers.

My response to that is : How does black people killing black people affect white people ?

Exactly. It doesn't. So let's not play games and you sit there as if ur bothered if one black person kills another black person.

But we can come to that later.

But this was not the crux of the debate

l'll say this to you once more.

Show me scores of unarmed white men who got killed by the Police in 2016

YOUR response to that is : How does black people killing black people affect white people ?

DUH!!!
A) Simple. The more frequently as a human being you are exposed to violent actions like killings the more accustomed you are to the violence!
Why do you think that Chicago has had in 2017 alone: 77% blacks or 414 killed of which 55 were blacks killed other blacks.
2017 Stats
So natural laws of behavior mean if more blacks see more violence the more accepting they are of violence on any race.
Goes back to the FACT that your people have been rewarded by the federal government to KEEP black families single mother parents...68% single mothers.
You should be more pissed at the government rewarding THAT behavior then anything else!
Penalizing Marriage
A second major problem is that the means-tested welfare system actively penalizes low-income parents who do marry.
All means-tested welfare programs are designed so that a family’s benefits are reduced as earnings rise. In practice, this means that, if a low-income single mother marries an employed father, her welfare benefits will generally be substantially reduced.
The mother can maximize welfare by remaining unmarried and keeping the father’s income “off the books.”
For example, a single mother with two children who earns $15,000 per year would generally receive around $5,200 per year of food stamp benefits.
However, if she marries a father with the same earnings level, her food stamps would be cut to zero.
A single mother receiving benefits from Section 8 or public housing would receive a subsidy worth on average around $11,000 per year if she was not employed, but if she marries a man earning $20,000 per year, these benefits would be cut nearly in half. Both food stamps and housing programs provide very real financial incentives for couples to remain separate and unmarried.
Overall, the federal government operates over 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to poor and low-income individuals. Each program contains marriage penalties similar to those described above. Low-income families generally receive benefits from several programs at the same time. The marriage penalties from multiple programs when added together can provide substantial financial disincentives to marriage. For example, if a single mother who earns $20,000 per year marries a man who earns the same amount, the couple will typically lose about $12,000 a year in welfare benefits. In effect, the welfare system makes it economically irrational for most low-income couples to marry.
By contrast, the means-tested welfare system, in most cases, does not have a separate schedule for married couples. When a low-income mother and father marry, they will generally experience a sharp drop in benefits, and their joint income will fall. The anti-marriage penalty is often most severe among married couples where both parents are employed.
How Welfare Undermines Marriage and What to Do About It
This is the reason your people have no problem mouthing off to cops... your people never had father figures and that was designed especially by the democrat party thinking they were being compassionate!

Now as far as your jumping around by point... by asking ME to prove to you.. "Show me scores of unarmed white men who got killed by the Police in 2016"
FACTS: SCORES Score is an old word for the number 20.
WHITES killed by cops per this article from 2015 and 2016.
data-police-shootings/fatal-police-shootings-data.csv at master · washingtonpost/data-police-shootings · GitHub
3 scores and 7! or 67.... WHITES UNARMED and attacking police were KILLED!
3 scores and 5 or 65 BLACKS UNARMED and attacking police were killed.
Proof!

 

[healthmyths]

Nearly two times the amount of white men killed by police then BLACK men!
Now again you are NOT being totally honest about the DEATHS of these BLACK MEN!!!
FACT disproportionate amount of murders and other violent crimes are committed by black Americans.

Because detailed FBI data on crime can lag by several years, the most-cited statistics on this point refer to 2009 data. According to that data, out of all violent crimes in which someone was charged, black Americans were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the country’s 75 biggest counties — despite the fact that black Americans made up just 15 percent of the population in those places.

“Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force,” wrote Heather Mac Donald, a conservative researcher, in a Wall Street Journal column headlined “The Myths of Black Lives Matter” that was originally published in February and re-published this weekend. The assertion that the black men and women killed by police are primarily violent criminals and the explanation for racial disparities in who gets killed by law enforcement is the premise of Mac Donald’s new book, “The War on Cops.”
“Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis,” Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April.
WHY!!!!!!! “But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods.”

Now if you'd just admit that MOST (again NOT all like you keep contending cops kill only black unarmed youths...!!!) black youths that commit MOST of the crimes in these predominantly black neighborhoods are and here again the FACTS support this as a BLACK economist Walter Williams has shown:
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Most black youths today raised by single mother who IS NOT the male authority figure that the cops are when a black youth/cop confrontation occurs!
YOU as a black person SHOULD be painfully aware that if you are not raised in a two parent family and only by a female YOU will NoT have the advantage that
black youths with two parents have i.e. recognizing that males are by GENETICS prone to be authority figures...i.e. Cops! Cops are authority figures and if you don't follow the ten simple rules I keep posting YOU will be killed as a WHITE or a BLACK ignorant anti-authority idiot!

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Dude. You're all over the place. Because you felt cornered and can't answer my question you try to shift the topic to so called black crime on black crime and single black mothers.

My response to that is : How does black people killing black people affect white people ?

Exactly. It doesn't. So let's not play games and you sit there as if ur bothered if one black person kills another black person.

But we can come to that later.

But this was not the crux of the debate

l'll say this to you once more.

Show me scores of unarmed white men who got killed by the Police in 2016

Paul asked and I provided.
I now want Paul to acknowledge (but am 100% confident that the truth is not something you can deal with) that:
Scores of unarmed white men were killed by the police and fewer Black men were killed. That is a fact.

I want Paul to acknowledge that Federal government assistance has spawned single mother households in black communities which because of the lack of
a male authority figure, a larger percentage of black youths have a disrespect for cops and hence are more prone to have been killed.
But Paul and his ilk do not deal with facts. Just hyperbole. MSM distortions. Truly sad that public policy driven by ignorance!

 

[Paul Essien]

Paul asked and I provided.
I now want Paul to acknowledge (but am 100% confident that the truth is not something you can deal with) that:
Scores of unarmed white men were killed by the police and fewer Black men were killed. That is a fact.

You've not provided anything. All you have done google a few graphs and think you are making a point

Show me the list of unarmed white men who were shot and killed by the Police.

I did not not ask if they were attacking.

I said show me the list of unarmed white men who were shot by the police. I did not ask for unarmed white men who were shot by the police but attacking them.

It's really not that difficult.

Secondly this thing were you say "More whites are killed by the police than blacks in the USA" you say this as if you're making some point. There are seven times more whites in the USA than blacks and even those stats further undercut argument. Because there are seven times more whites than blacks

According to your data 1298 whites were shot by the police but attacking them where as it was 660 for blacks.

As I said given that there are seven times as many whites in the USA than blacks, then if white police shootings where on the same scale as black police shootings, then the figure 1298 for whites should really be 660*7 = 4620. So even the data you presented makes your argument about look stupid

And look let's go one issue at a time.

Because you're trying to throw as much mud on the wall and hoping that it will stick. You're going to black on black crime, single mothers to anything.

I'll come to those bog standard white supremacist arguments after this here.

Just let's stick to this point about police killings

 

[healthmyths]

Paul asked and I provided.
I now want Paul to acknowledge (but am 100% confident that the truth is not something you can deal with) that:
Scores of unarmed white men were killed by the police and fewer Black men were killed. That is a fact.

You've not provided anything. All you have done google a few graphs and think you are making a point

Show me the list of unarmed white men who were shot and killed by the Police.

I did not not ask if they were attacking.

I said show me the list of unarmed white men who were shot by the police. I did not ask for unarmed white men who were shot by the police but attacking them.

It's really not that difficult.

Secondly this thing were you say "More whites are killed by the police than blacks in the USA" you say this as if you're making some point. There are seven times more whites in the USA than blacks and even those stats further undercut argument. Because there are seven times more whites than blacks

According to your data 1298 whites were shot by the police but attacking them where as it was 660 for blacks.

As I said given that there are seven times as many whites in the USA than blacks, then if white police shootings where on the same scale as black police shootings, then the figure 1298 for whites should really be 660*7 = 4620. So even the data you presented makes your argument about look stupid

And look let's go one issue at a time.

Because you're trying to throw as much mud on the wall and hoping that it will stick. You're going to black on black crime, single mothers to anything.

I'll come to those bog standard white supremacist arguments after this here.

Just let's stick to this point about police killings

Why do cops stop anyone in the first place?
A) The cops suspect some violation has occurred.
In 2006, 1,254 children were killed as occupants of passenger vehicles (passenger cars and light trucks). Of those children where restraint use was known,
52 percent of African-American children were unrestrained at the time of the crash – the highest percentage among any race or ethnicity.
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/810995

Details minor details. But see these simple facts are indicators of behavior that any logical person would be curious.
Why weren't the children wearing seat belts? Explain to me this irresponsible behavior on the adults that they wouldn't care enough about children to force them
to wear seat belts?
This is an example of irresponsible behavior towards authority figures i.e. if a simple compliance to wearing a seat belt FOR THE CHILD'S SAFETY FOR GOODNESS SAKE by an adult is ignored then why would any black adult head of household be an authority figure much less pass on respect for police.
If you as an ADULT have no respect for the police authority, then why would any minor you are responsible pay attention to what a cop would be asking?

See it is these minor details that also give credence to the "profiling" of potential behavior issues.
If it walks like a duck..

quacks like a duck...

maybe it is a duck!

So no matter how hard ignorant people try to eliminate "profiling" , the above photos don't help!

 

[Paul Essien]

maybe it is a duck!

So no matter how hard ignorant people try to eliminate "profiling" , the above photos don't help!

So you could not answer my question about you finding unarmed whites being killed by the police

So let's talk about your second point that is about black on black crime.

Are more black people killed by black people than by the Police ?

Yes.

But that would have been true 100 years ago.

That would have been true under apartheid in South Africa. That would have been true under Jim Crow segregation in the USA.

But would the black on black crime argument been a good reason to excuse for the KKK hangings of black men ? Would the black on black crime argument been a good reason to excuse the killings of black people by Police 100 years ago ?

No. So why is it now ?

The black on black crime figure will always be higher that white on black. Why ? Because those are the people you live around. The same way I could say "How come 9 out of 10 times a white murder an other white person, and not an other race/ethnicity?"

Your argument is like telling Breast Cancer Support Groups not to bother with that cancer and focus on Lung Cancer because that is the biggest cancer killer.

When ISIS killed whites in Paris or 9-11 Twin Towers you did not hear people say "Well, more white people kill white people, than muslims""

But that would have been just as true.

The police are held to a higher standard. That's why police killings of black people cause the commotion that they do. Because if you have the power to kill me, then you better believe I'm gonna hold you to a higher standard.

It's the same way a teacher can't be late often for their class and then turn around and say "Well some of you are late too"

With great power comes greater responsibility, they are the rules.

 

[Paul Essien]

quacks like a duck...
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maybe it is a duck!

So no matter how hard ignorant people try to eliminate "profiling" , the above photos don't help!

That's Eazy E who died in 1995. That pic is around 25 years old.

You're not even up to date with your stereotypes

But most hip-hop / rap music purchases are made by white peole

If white ppl were interested in buying CDs or downloading music by rap artists who sang about racism or radical social transformation or community uplift (and yes there are many, many such artists out there)

Then that’s the music that would be churned out in larger numbers.

But white ppl aren’t looking to buy songs about overthrowing the system from which you benefit. It's white buyers who make that kind of rap profitable, but instead of asking for any responsibility from them, you blame the artists for doing what they’re supposed to do in a capitalist system, which is respond to market demand, no matter the social consequences.

Also it's odd how the Sopranos never get blamed when white folks kill someone ? I mean I reckon that Las Vegas shooter watched the Saw movie trilogy.

Or maybe he listened to Johnny Cash (because he did like country music) and Cash sang about shooting a man in Reno “just to watch him die.”

Or maybe he listed to Porter Wagoner, whose song “Cold Hard Facts of Life,” tells of a man who kills his wife for cheating on him. But Wagoner is in the Country Music Hall of Fame but he’s just “telling a story.

 

[Paul Essien]

Why do cops stop anyone in the first place?
A) The cops suspect some violation has occurred.
In 2006, 1,254 children were killed as occupants of passenger vehicles (passenger cars and light trucks). Of those children where restraint use was known,
52 percent of African-American children were unrestrained at the time of the crash – the highest percentage among any race or ethnicity.
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/810995

Details minor details. But see these simple facts are indicators of behavior that any logical person would be curious.

Can you explain to me what's wrong with your white people ?

 

[healthmyths]

Why do cops stop anyone in the first place?
A) The cops suspect some violation has occurred.
In 2006, 1,254 children were killed as occupants of passenger vehicles (passenger cars and light trucks). Of those children where restraint use was known,
52 percent of African-American children were unrestrained at the time of the crash – the highest percentage among any race or ethnicity.
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/810995

Details minor details. But see these simple facts are indicators of behavior that any logical person would be curious.

Can you explain to me what's wrong with your white people ?

Simple. There are crazy ,irresponsible,ignorant,white people just like there are crazy, irresponsible, ignorant black people!
It's just that it seems while whites make up 63% of USA population so therefore there would be naturally a larger NUMBER of crazy,irresponsible, ignorant
whites, there seems to be a larger % of blacks that make up only 12% of USA that are crazy,irresponsible, ignorant.

There are also a few idiot whites that wear saggy pants, show off guns for sure. No question.
The problem is WE WHITE people tend to take responsibility for our families. YOU BLACK people tend to want to stay on the plantation and let
WHITE people take care of you! NOT all of the black people and YOU are definitely not one of those black people that want to have whites take care of them.
But it seems a minority of the black community AIDED by the extremely biased and ignorant MSM/entertainment/sports community have blown the
issue way way out of proportion. In doing so all biased and ignorant MSM/entertainment/sports community are doing is perpetuating the myth that blacks are to be treated exceptionally JUST because they are BLACK. I should think that people like you are apparently Paul, a cogent and thoughtful person
would see how you of all people have been manipulated and apparently you also want some type of exception i.e. statements about blacks being more
victims of cop killings for example. I've proven to you that from sheer numbers more whites are killed. You then conflate % of blacks vs whites.
I then show that more black children are killed due to parent irresponsibility to wear seat belts and the correlation between single black mothers and
disrespect for authority. None of that seems to make a difference to you.
I repeat.. YES there are crazy ,irresponsible,ignorant,white people just like there are crazy, irresponsible, ignorant black people!
But more black children are killed due to irresponsible parents either due to not wearing seatbelts or to teaching respect for authority.
I certainly don't want to believe you belong in either category!