Judge Blocks Oklahoma’s Ban on Using Shariah Law in Court

[ScreamingEagle]

Isn't Sharia law unconstitutional...?

According to Sharia law if one was to leave Islam they are aspostates and are to be killed...and there are plenty of other aspects of Sharia law that blatantly oppose the laws of the United States...so why should we allow Sharia law within our borders just because it is part of a religion....?

An Oklahoma constitutional amendment aimed at stopping the use of Islamic law in its courts was dealt a serious blow on Monday when a federal judge temporarily blocked the state from putting it into effect.

The amendment would forbid state judges from considering Islamic or international law in their decisions. Known as State Question 755, the measure passed with 70 percent of the vote during the Republican landslide on Nov. 2, and has generated bitter debate.

Muslims claim the state is discriminating against their religion, while supporters — many of them Christian conservatives — say the amendment is needed to thwart what they maintain is an effort by radical Muslims to impose Shariah law in the United States.

Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange of Federal District Court in Oklahoma City, however, said in her decision to grant a preliminary injunction on Monday that the measure did not appear to pass constitutional muster.

It conveys a message, she said, that the state favors one religion or particular belief over others. The federal courts have long held that such a message violates the First Amendment’s clause prohibiting the establishment of a state religion, she said.

“While defendants contend that the amendment is merely a choice-of-law provision that bans state courts from applying the law of other nations or cultures — regardless of what faith they may be based on, if any — the actual language of the amendment reasonably, and perhaps more reasonably, may be viewed as specifically singling out Shariah law, conveying a message of disapproval of plaintiff’s faith,” the judge wrote.

The judge barred the State Election Commission from certifying the results of the election until she makes a final ruling. She set no timetable for her decision.

Muneer Awad, the executive director of the Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, had sued to block the amendment, arguing that the state was condemning his religious beliefs.

“We are definitely satisfied,” Mr. Awad said. “She is recognizing the majority vote cannot be used to take away my constitutional rights.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/30oklahoma.html?_r=1&src=twrhp

 

[Truthmatters]

Dear idiot , you can not discriminate against any religion in US government.

man I wish the constitution meant something to you assholes.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Dear idiot , you can not discriminate against any religion in US government.

man I wish the constitution meant something to you assholes.

What if the religion discriminates against the Constitution of the U.S....?

 

[DiamondDave]

Idiot asshole trufdon'tmatter....

The system of law within a religion is not the religion as a whole... internation law or whacko sharia law has no place in our system

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Idiot asshole trufdon'tmatter....

The system of law within a religion is not the religion as a whole... internation law or whacko sharia law has no place in our system

CAIR knows that.....yet they are pushing it....

 

[Common Sense]

the religion is protected under the constitution. but if that religion violtes US law, then the state is not saying that a person can not practice that religion, they are saying that they have chosen to violate US laws. Laws always take precedent over religion. look at the child brides and polygamy. these are supposedly religious views, but they are not supported by US law.

Now if a man wants to practice Shariah law with him family, that is protected under the constitution. but hes used Shariah law as an excuse to commit a crime, for example: to kill his wife for committing adultery, he violates US law and can be punished accordingly. it all comes down to how it is practiced. that why there is the due process

 

[ScreamingEagle]

the religion is protected under the constitution. but if that religion violtes US law, then the state is not saying that a person can not practice that religion, they are saying that they have chosen to violate US laws. Laws always take precedent over religion. look at the child brides and polygamy. these are supposedly religious views, but they are not supported by US law.

Now if a man wants to practice Shariah law with him family, that is protected under the constitution. but hes used Shariah law as an excuse to commit a crime, for example: to kill his wife for committing adultery, he violates US law and can be punished accordingly. it all comes down to how it is practiced. that why there is the due process

Yet there are even judges in this country who don't have the common sense to put U.S. laws above some religious practices.....

What is wrong with a law that just states Sharia law is not recognized in U.S. courts....?

 

[Truthmatters]

An Oklahoma constitutional amendment aimed at stopping the use of Islamic law in its courts



Now no law can discriminate against any religion in the US.

Want a law that says a judge can not use the laws of christianity in a court?

 

[Madeline]

Why is everyone and his brother an expert on Sharia Law these days except for Muslims?

 

[Common Sense]

Why is everyone and his brother an expert on Sharia Law these days except for Muslims?

im not an expert on Sharia law, i only know what ive read. I do understand the separation between church and state though. and that is what im commenting on.

 

[DiamondDave]

An Oklahoma constitutional amendment aimed at stopping the use of Islamic law in its courts



Now no law can discriminate against any religion in the US.

Want a law that says a judge can not use the laws of christianity in a court?

Sure.. want no US law that states I have to keep the sabbath holy... want no law in support of honoring my mother and father...

But that would not be discriminatory against the religion... as you are asserting, you fucking moron

 

[ScreamingEagle]

An Oklahoma constitutional amendment aimed at stopping the use of Islamic law in its courts



Now no law can discriminate against any religion in the US.

Want a law that says a judge can not use the laws of christianity in a court?

What "Christian laws" are you referring to....? ...Thou shalt not kill....??

sO you'd rather allow Islamic law that says... thou SHALL kill.....?

 

[Jos]

Shahria law is a form of arbitration, only available to two contacting parties, similer to the jewish Halakha widely in use in the USA
Halakha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jos]

What "Christian laws" are you referring to....? ...Thou shalt not kill....??

sO you'd rather allow Islamic law that says... thou SHALL kill.....?

You got a link for that Islamic law?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What "Christian laws" are you referring to....? ...Thou shalt not kill....??

sO you'd rather allow Islamic law that says... thou SHALL kill.....?

You got a link for that Islamic law?

"Islam: al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6)[citation needed] demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied by some Muslim states..."

Apostasy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JFK_USA]

Shahria law is a form of arbitration, only available to two contacting parties, similer to the jewish Halakha widely in use in the USA
Halakha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*Ignorant Redneck Rant*

BAH!!! They are A-rab. I do not use common sense to allow Muslims the same rights as we give to Jews. Because they they A-rab. And and I don't like them.

 

[High_Gravity]

Are Christian laws recognized in Muslim countries?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Are Christian laws recognized in Muslim countries?

What are "Christian" laws?

 

[Coyote]

What "Christian laws" are you referring to....? ...Thou shalt not kill....??

sO you'd rather allow Islamic law that says... thou SHALL kill.....?

You got a link for that Islamic law?

"Islam: al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6)[citation needed] demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied by some Muslim states..."

Apostasy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The death penalty is active in Christian dominated U.S. Sounds like the Christian law is "thou shalt kill"....

By the way do you realize you are using a quote that doesn't even have a citation to verify it?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You got a link for that Islamic law?

"Islam: al-Bukhari, Diyat, bab 6)[citation needed] demand the death penalty for apostates. The death penalty is still applied by some Muslim states..."

Apostasy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The death penalty is active in Christian dominated U.S. Sounds like the Christian law is "thou shalt kill"....

By the way do you realize you are using a quote that doesn't even have a citation to verify it?

Is U.S. law against murder based on Christian law....necessarily.....? Seems to me there are many other religions that also believe that murder is bad....

I'm not an Islamic scholar and so if wikipedia references aren't enough for you...how about some real-life stuff....

Apostasy from Islam
By Nonie Darwish - Author: Cruel and Usual Punishment, the terrifying global implications of Islamic Law

If you convert you die.

Few Americans know what is going on inside the Muslim world and what it portends for them. The fact is that, most Americans are subjected to much of the same misinformation with regard to Islam that I grew up with inside the Muslim world. Thus Americans are in the dark attempting to formulate their strategy to defend themselves against the threat of terror, domestic jihad and Sharia. While they get ridiculed for being ‘Islamophobes’, the Muslim world itself is undergoing a huge and painful awakening.

For instance, a prominent Egyptian lawyer and women’s rights activist Nagla Al Imam recently announced her conversion to Christianity in Cairo, Egypt. The announcement brought shock waves in and beyond Egypt. This is perhaps the first case ever of its kind where a Muslim woman, who is also a Sharia expert, has openly challenged Islamic apostasy laws.

Ms. Al Imam’s incredible courage was on display in an internet chat room, where she announced that she is not afraid, will stand up for the human rights of apostates and refused to leave her homeland, Egypt. This was immediately followed by attacks and calls for death of the 36 year-old graduate of Al Azhar Islamic University. Egyptian media not only reported the threat but actually participated in the attacks. Ms. Al Imam was literally lured by a TV station ‘Al Mihwar’ with the pretext of inviting her for an interview. Upon arrival to the studio she was told the show she was to appear on was cancelled. She was then taken forcibly to a room where she was held against her will for hours inside the studio. She was assaulted, threatened and insulted by several people. She was able to escape, and went to her internet chat room telling the world what happened and said she will demand protection from the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Such actions are common not only against apostates but also against Arab reformists, journalists, intellectuals and feminists who are critical of the oppression of Sharia. They are often intimidated, threatened or even killed for the slightest independent views using the apostasy card to keep them quiet. Journalist Farag Foda, accused of apostasy for advocating women’s rights, was gunned down in 1991 in front of his home in Cairo.

Another recent case in Egypt is that of a brilliant intellectual by the name of Sayed Mahmoud El Qemany. He was recently accused of apostasy even though he denied it on TV and insisted he is still a Muslim. That did not stop several fatwas of death from being issued against him. Mr. El Qemany reported 9 threats on his life and pleaded to the world when he wrote the following:
...
The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

cont.
http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/apostasy-from-islam/