Judaism 101

[Indeependent]

Victor I am Jewish I will clarify this for you...There is no proof outside the New Testament that the persona Jesus exsisted...Yes there were certain individuals that did exsist to make up some of the stories in the New Testament but they were all combined by the writers of the New Testament to give this “Jesus”a life... Basically their pens gave him breath and life and stories but he as a single human did not exist besides nothing he did would have ever qualified him to be a messiah he failed on all accounts and son of gd is not literal which was a pagan Greek or Roman etc concept...

Actually there is proof and most scholars accept that a Jewish man named Jesus in fact did exist, and in fact did have quite a following. Writers of that time (outside of New Testament authors) were disgusted by the Last Supper and what they thought it represented (cannibalism). They thought people who believed a man could rise from the dead had to be crazy, ignorant--and atheists (for not believing in Roman/Greek gods).

No There is not proof outside of the New testament "Good News"...Most Scholars accept that a jewish man exsisted named Jesus because if you Tell a lie enough people just naturally ASSume that it is true... If they look hard enough they will find nothing but hey since the last Supper is a ripoff of the Babylonian dinner where 12 gods showed up and when the thirteenth showed up one had to die to make it back to the non hated number of 12....Most peoples hated the number 13 that they nearly expunged it....We can still see this today because some places still refuse to have a 13th floor in a building...

"the Babylonian dinner where 12 gods showed up and when the thirteenth showed up one had to die to make it back to the non hated number of 12"

Is that the one where God did the eeny meeny talcum powder grafitti? By the way, the Chinese hate the number "4" because the Chinese word for "4" sounds like the Chinese word for "death". But put two fours together, and they love it. I guess their ways are different than ours. Personally, I'm ok with "13" unless you divide the tens by the units, then I find it infinitely annoying.

What exactly are you ranting about?

 

[shimon]

No There is not proof outside of the New testament "Good News"...Most Scholars accept that a jewish man exsisted named Jesus because if you Tell a lie enough people just naturally ASSume that it is true... If they look hard enough they will find nothing but hey since the last Supper is a ripoff of the Babylonian dinner where 12 gods showed up and when the thirteenth showed up one had to die to make it back to the non hated number of 12....Most peoples hated the number 13 that they nearly expunged it....We can still see this today because some places still refuse to have a 13th floor in a building...

You may want to go back to original sources. The best scholars start there. People who are unafraid of truth aren't afraid to go there. They don't jump to conclusions that suit their own perspective.

Pretty funny coming from you and you did nothing to refute what I posted the onus is on you to prove the existence of your man god outside of the gospels good news or is it the toilet paper of record and you have nothing ..I find it very interesting that the gospels were written anonymously as well as anyone could have written them long long after the supposed fact of Jesus birth and since so much is riding on this fellow you would think someone somewhere would find something concrete...hmmmm...

 

[shimon]

Apology not accepted Meriweather.... People are smart enough to figure things out for themselves I left all that information out there for any to google it and make up their own minds since we are in the information age it is all there and cannot be covered up by those with an agenda like you... Further any with an open mind will see the pages and pages and pages of christian Apologists like yourself who try to come upwith fancy silly arguments to cover up the nonsense claimed in the new testament regarding their hero and IDOL Jesus any keeping track will notice that christians twist themselves into pretzels contorting to make Excuses for this and that convoluted logic....I am a firm believer that the truth can stand NAKED on its own merits it does not need to be covered up with pages and pages of excuses making one lie after another to do so....Quite frankly the APOLOGY is insincere and a load of malarky to any who dont have rose coloured glasses on that distorts their view on reality...

I wasn't apologizing, I was expressing sympathy that you were presenting errors as facts. I don't need to "Google" as I have books citing original sources. One has to be careful using Google because those sources are not always the original ones. From studying history and original sources, I know which sources you are using. Just a heads up. They are not the best. In case you care. I repeat: It's best to present one's own religion and leave the presentation of other religions to those who follow that one.

Never said you had to google anything... We already know what side of the equation you are standing on..I left that information for others who wished to search things out for themselves... Of course you are apologizing that is what Christian apologists do... That is why we know you are apologizing for something that someone in Christianity did wrong and are either trying to cover it up or dazzle us with the bull as many are so apt to put....

 

[shimon]

David is not being crucified.
That's RCC manipulation of the masses.

No one is saying David was being crucified! Nor is the Catholic Bible manipulating anyone. Again, simply stated, a man being crucified was repeating Psalm 22, apparently a Psalm that held great meaning to him during a time of great agony.

Don't make it sound like King David was the only one ever to repeat this Psalm. I'm betting it brought courage and comfort to many, many more besides David and Jesus.

It seems awfully odd that you don't want the Catholic Church to say that David wrote Psalm 22.

See Independent Meriweather wants to have it both ways trying to place a crucified man in Psalm 22 ( we all know he/ she means his/her idol Jesus) So the circular argument continues first from one angle then from another..Even if you explain things properly to them they still try to JUSTIFY their position even though it is without merit and common sense just like they try to place their idol everywhere in the Jewish scriptures they can...

 

[cnelsen]

On the cross, when Jesus looked to Heaven and said My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

If you believe God as human screamed out to God as God...whatever.
Then you mock Jews.

And?

You don't get the bull crap on which you bet your soul.

Sorry, you'll have to find someone else to take your bull crap. My wife doesn't let me gamble. Remember, do unto others.

Like the RCC did unto others?
Like your instinctive hatred for Jews because your "god" got nailed?

Just read the Old Testament. Or a history of Europe. The Jews have a taste for regicide. Even their own. But that's not why I hate Jews, nor is my hatred instinctive.

 

[Indeependent]

If you believe God as human screamed out to God as God...whatever.
Then you mock Jews.

And?

You don't get the bull crap on which you bet your soul.

Sorry, you'll have to find someone else to take your bull crap. My wife doesn't let me gamble. Remember, do unto others.

Like the RCC did unto others?
Like your instinctive hatred for Jews because your "god" got nailed?

Just read the Old Testament. Or a history of Europe. The Jews have a taste for regicide. Even their own. But that's not why I hate Jews, nor is my hatred instinctive.

And of course the people living there weren't savages.

 

[ninja007]

Are Jews saved because they are God's chosen people? Will Jews go to Heaven even if they do not trust in Jesus?

Lol....Trust in Jesus hardly..Isaiah 45 says it all esp verse 17 where gd states Israel will be saved world without end...Interestingly the worship of Jesus and his WOOD is mentioned in Isaiah 45 verse 20 The Jews are told to leave and get away from such nonsense... If one reads Isaiah 45 truthfully all the answers are in there for all to see..

Jews accept that Jesus existed but do not believe he is the messiah or Son of God.
Under Judaism, there is only ONE divine being-God Himself

Victor I am Jewish I will clarify this for you...There is no proof outside the New Testament that the persona Jesus exsisted...Yes there were certain individuals that did exsist to make up some of the stories in the New Testament but they were all combined by the writers of the New Testament to give this “Jesus”a life... Basically their pens gave him breath and life and stories but he as a single human did not exist besides nothing he did would have ever qualified him to be a messiah he failed on all accounts and son of gd is not literal which was a pagan Greek or Roman etc concept...

theres all kinds of proof Jesus existed, not to mentions dozens of OT verses pointing to Him.

 

[ninja007]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies - Jews for Jesus

 

[cnelsen]

And of course the people living there weren't savages.

Typical Jew. We have the right to move to your country and strip you and your people of your wealth. We have the right to live among you and turn your institutions into weapons to use against you. We have the right to debase your culture and teach your young to hate themselves and despise their ancestors. If you object, we have the right to kill you. If you expel us, we have the right to destroy you. Because you are "savages".

 

[Indeependent]

And of course the people living there weren't savages.

Typical Jew. We have the right to move to your country and strip you and your people of your wealth. We have the right to live among you and turn your institutions into weapons to use against you. We have the right to debase your culture and teach your young to hate themselves and despise their ancestors. If you object, we have the right to kill you. If you expel us, we have the right to destroy you. Because you are "savages".

Except the Jews, unlike Jesus and Allah fans, never expressed the desire to violently conquer the world.

 

[cnelsen]

And of course the people living there weren't savages.

Typical Jew. We have the right to move to your country and strip you and your people of your wealth. We have the right to live among you and turn your institutions into weapons to use against you. We have the right to debase your culture and teach your young to hate themselves and despise their ancestors. If you object, we have the right to kill you. If you expel us, we have the right to destroy you. Because you are "savages".

Except the Jews, unlike Jesus and Allah fans, never expressed the desire to violently conquer the world.

They are smart enough not to "express" it. They just do it. Correction: ARE doing it (cf: Syria, Muslim invasion of Europe, et al.).

 

[cnelsen]

Except the Jews, unlike Jesus and Allah fans, never expressed the desire to violently conquer the world.

From the Head Hebe Himself:

Dear Hebes,

Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it. (Deut 23:20)

For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. (Deut 28:13)

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. (Deut 20:11)

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. (Deut 20:15)

Love, Jehovah​

So, the Hebes are like,

Dear Jehovah,

All the savages haaaaaate us.

Love and extreme whining, the Hebes​

 

[Indeependent]

And of course the people living there weren't savages.

Typical Jew. We have the right to move to your country and strip you and your people of your wealth. We have the right to live among you and turn your institutions into weapons to use against you. We have the right to debase your culture and teach your young to hate themselves and despise their ancestors. If you object, we have the right to kill you. If you expel us, we have the right to destroy you. Because you are "savages".

Except the Jews, unlike Jesus and Allah fans, never expressed the desire to violently conquer the world.

They are smart enough not to "express" it. They just do it. Correction: ARE doing it (cf: Syria, Muslim invasion of Europe, et al.).

You are a liar and a historical revisionist.
And not a very good one.

 

[cnelsen]

From the Head Hebe Himself:

Dear Hebes,

Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it. (Deut 23:20)

For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. (Deut 28:13)

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. (Deut 20:11)

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. (Deut 20:15)

Love, Jehovah

So, the Hebes are like,

Dear Jehovah,

All the savages haaaaaate us.

Love and extreme whining, the Hebes

 

[HaShev]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies - Jews for Jesus

Your last 2 posts have been refuted many times...I'm not clicking any links, so please list here JUST
4 "messianic" prophecies in the OT that you are 100% certain are fulfilled and not placed or written in fallaciously.
THEN since you said he is historical you will have no problem telling us his historical Hebrew name and how old he was when he died, his birthdate, era he lived, home town, job profession, type of sentencing persecution he faced and by whom to blame for that sentencing.
If you canct answer these simple things without avoiding portions or smokescreens then we can conclude your posts false and you are being intellectually dishonest.

 

[HaShev]

Except the Jews, unlike Jesus and Allah fans, never expressed the desire to violently conquer the world.

From the Head Hebe Himself:

Dear Hebes,

Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it. (Deut 23:20)

For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. (Deut 28:13)

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. (Deut 20:11)

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. (Deut 20:15)

Love, Jehovah​

So, the Hebes are like,

Dear Jehovah,

All the savages haaaaaate us.

Love and extreme whining, the Hebes​

You like Deut, but dance around Deut 23:2
Whereby it states a bastard child is not allowed in the Temple=that eleviates Jesus from leading the congregation.
Making Jews right and Christianity wrong (satanism)=your negative posts come from a satanic slant-meaning
a double negative=a positive.
Your posts are actually compliments once one knows your antisemitic and satanic slant(side).

 

[anotherlife]

Questions about Judaism? Okay, here is a difficult one. What does Judaism say about death and the afterlife? Most ancient religions have a comprehensive ideology about it. But Judaism has contradictory ideas per sub denomination.

 

[HaShev]

Questions about Judaism? Okay, here is a difficult one. What does Judaism say about death and the afterlife? Most ancient religions have a comprehensive ideology about it. But Judaism has contradictory ideas per sub denomination.

I've answered this many times and even have a web site on this topic that can be researched through:
What everyone calls spirit or soul, contrary to beliefs, has no way of exiting this existence into another layer or realm. As scripture tells us, when you die the body goes back to the dust of the earth (Ecc 3:20) and the soul (breath) or spirit (nature of your being) also dissipates into the energy surrounding this, our layer of existence, the earth (Ecc 12:7, Psalms 22:29 & 104:29-30, Ezekiel 18:4 & 20, Joshua 10:28-39). That's why even the elect, is in no rush to die and leave this earth, our only existence. Our Spirit (which is an essence of our being & not an energy) shouldn't be portrayed as an energy, for even if it was described as such it could not escape from this earth or have any senses or conciousness without a processor for it (which is what our brain is.) It could only continue through reflection/emulation and inspiring people to that nature of being(spirit)=hence people catch the
spirit or become reflection/mesengers(malakhs) of that spirit.
We were formed from processions, layer after layer of micro realms to have concious energy, by placing the soul into the body, which acts as the processor, otherwise there would be no "Life" to experience. So, there is no such thing as afterlife, it's a myth or great scam. Example: You send a signal from computer to computer with a visual program that functions, but by itself that energy full of info has no form of concept, but once it’s received and processed at the end user, it then becomes a formed and visible program. Without the processor it’s just energy in micro orders without macro end vision of form.
Still doubt what I say?
Try blind folding yourself, placing sound proof ear phones on, and numbing your fingers. What do you feel, hear or see (thus sense)?
Nothing!
Does that energy you call soul still see, hear, touch, and feel?
Without your vessel acting as the processor you have no sense that allow you to feel, hear, see and sense life.
Confusion Sets In:
The light at the end of the Tunnel & hellucination of relatives seen as after life is actually occuring from the lack of oxygen to the brain. This has been simulated in a lab like in DR Michael Persinger's research, where everyone stimulated on the side portion of the brain had the same exact experience as if they were dying, & they saw the same tunnel of light, higher presence, feeling of floating & detachment, and imagery almost identical to each other. This deception of Bright Light deceives us into thinking there is something after death that in reality doesn't exist and was part of Cult beliefs. Therefore we end up treating death as life, even though scripture warns us of "PROMISING" people a false "Soul Flying Life"(Ezekiel 13:20-22).
Another misperception on the concept stems from people mistaking this ability to transmit oneself, as in "remote viewing" or "telepathy", as being similar to out of body death or eternal life being proved. In other words they see this ability as another realm.
This couldn't be more deceptive....You see in all cases there was always a processor in which the info energy was received, whether Telepathy or remote viewing. We know energy can't have consciousness without a processor which acts as the mechanism in which we use to feel and experience life. This Body and Mind vessel is the only processor as energy by itself has nothing to feel. (bible even says this) Thus when we think these things are another realm, they are actually talents within this order (realm)and there is no other realm but this life. Deception is in telling people there is an afterlife, for by teaching that we have worshipped death and sacrificed this one and only grace of Life.

So what was the eternal life in Scripture meant to be?
The Greek myths, because of their belief in an immortal soul, viewed death as a natural, desirable, progression. It's concept was that it completes the liberation of the soul & it would free the soul from the prison of its body. But all this did was cause worship of death deceiving people as as if it were life. The Jews on the other hand, saw death as an enemy, something unnatural, abnormal, opposed to God. The only hope for a dying creation was a
resurrection, a release from the death condition & remaining alive in this only grace of Life. Resurrection was to be a true reward for for those who gave their lives freely to G0D. In other words it was seen as an ideal way to bring justice for those who have sacrificed their lives to better Life for the whole.
The Nazarenes taught to covet death opposite traditional Judaism. Logically we would then ask ourselves were they helenized Jews who were influenced by Greek mythology or did this occur from other cultural influences? The Nazarenes admit in the John Apochryphon that they borrow from Zoroastrianism. We see remanants of Johns followers called the Mandeans which teach similar coveting of death teachings, those Zoroastrian teachings which John influenced onto his followers also influenced Jesus who eventually took the beheaded John's flock. So the Nazarenes which taught ‘The Mysterys of Babylon’ were deemed the Notzrim (offshoot) because they seperated these views on death creating an off shoot sect from traditional Judaism and it's understandings on death and heaven.
Death is not another life, but a curse:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse;Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children.
The Reason Why They Sold The Lie
Well think about it. Rome was losing power and control and no-one would be obedient to them while they invaded and captured and enslaved people. So they used the mask of religion to remain in power, collect taxes (now called tithes)and they spread out far and wide without anyone knowing they were still being invaded or controlled by the Roman Empire.......Brilliant eh?
Now while in a masked power how do they keep the lower classes from Rising? Simple, create a false hope of a better life for sacrificing yourself in this life. Thinking they are suffering here to go to heaven later was another brilliant trick of the Romans. How do they get suckers to fight in wars for them? Tell them they are martyrs and will go to a false hope afterlife of heaven. Hey, that's what the JiHaad is all about, as they tell them they die for a greater afterlife and they go along with it unknowingly. If they just tell the truth, then no longer do you have people fighting for fat cats for the hope of pleasing their gods.

 

[Indeependent]

From the Head Hebe Himself:

Dear Hebes,

Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it. (Deut 23:20)

For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. (Deut 28:13)

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. (Deut 20:11)

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. (Deut 20:15)

Love, Jehovah

So, the Hebes are like,

Dear Jehovah,

All the savages haaaaaate us.

Love and extreme whining, the Hebes

Elaborate on what's so bad about usuary when lending money to a non-Jew who obviously can't get a loan from his fellow non-Jew?
Seems the non-Jews like yourself don't have a "Holy Scripture" imploring you to help each other.

 

[Indeependent]

Questions about Judaism? Okay, here is a difficult one. What does Judaism say about death and the afterlife? Most ancient religions have a comprehensive ideology about it. But Judaism has contradictory ideas per sub denomination.

Your relationship with God is defined by how you develop your soul.
Jews do not claim to have any knowledge of the next realm of a soul's existence.
What we do know is that one retains their personality in order to enjoy what one has earned.