Jimmy Carter says Mideast peace is 'vanishing'

[Roudy]

I am fascinated with "kvethch"s claim that

"israel trained the secret police of all the world's worst pro western dictators; the list is staggering

all the worst of africa and latin america as well as iran"


How FASCINATING just what SECRETS did they impart?
were they "trained" in their own countries or IN ISRAEL?

can I have a few names?

Kvetch----I have heard it all before-----I have worked with muslims educated in both pakistan and India-----young professionals ------FULL OF THE KNOWLEGE OF THEIR recent school years------the very best-----which is why they got into the best schools of their counties

my main source for the staggering list:

Blog: Israel and the Ongoing Holocaust in Congo - Wake Up From Your Slumber !

Your source is a Nazi conspiracy blog for retards?? Bwahahahahahahaha!

 

[Saigon]

Saigon----I have no need to go to India---

That tells us all we will ever need to know, Rosie, thanks.

You choose to be ignorant.

 

[Roudy]

roudy you seem to fancy yourself as the new/old shah of iran

a toast to your fantasy in pure halal champagne

He does...but then there are also people out there who think Hitler was just misunderstood and Stalin was the best leader Russia has ever had.

I think part of the problem people have with historical figures is the need for them to be 100% good or 100% evil.

Unfortunately, history is littered with figures who were both good and evil, and who performed acts which were both laudatory and disgraceful. Pinochet, Ataturk, Sadat, Sukarno, even Mussolini were capable of staggering acts of despotism, whilst alo doing some good things.

The Shah is one of those conflcited figures, but that isn't someone everyone can understand.

As conflicted as he was he was still thousands of times better than the Islamic savages that Carter helped bring to power. Idiot.

 

[Roudy]

I am fascinated with "kvethch"s claim that

"israel trained the secret police of all the world's worst pro western dictators; the list is staggering

all the worst of africa and latin america as well as iran"


How FASCINATING just what SECRETS did they impart?
were they "trained" in their own countries or IN ISRAEL?

can I have a few names?

Kvetch----I have heard it all before-----I have worked with muslims educated in both pakistan and India-----young professionals ------FULL OF THE KNOWLEGE OF THEIR recent school years------the very best-----which is why they got into the best schools of their counties

if Kvetch is an "English Jew" then I am the King of Saudi Arabia. LOL

roudy you seem to fancy yourself as the new/old shah of iran

a toast to your fantasy in pure halal champagne

Yes, if you're an English Jew than I am the Shah of Iran, or perhaps, how about Elvis? LOL.

 

[Saigon]

As conflicted as he was he was still thousands of times better than the Islamic savages that Carter helped bring to power. Idiot.

I agree that he was better than Khomeini et al - but then perhaps he should not have helped bring them to power.

The only person who can take any responsibility for the fall of the Shah - is the Shah. He did it all to himself - as so many despots do.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As conflicted as he was he was still thousands of times better than the Islamic savages that Carter helped bring to power. Idiot.

I agree that he was better than Khomeini et al - but then perhaps he should not have helped bring them to power.

The only person who can take any responsibility for the fall of the Shah - is the Shah. He did it all to himself - as so many despots do.

Of course it was the US that removed the elected government and installed the Shah in 1953.

 

[irosie91]

and who is to blame for Khomeini being Khomeini? mossad?

 

[Saigon]

and who is to blame for Khomeini being Khomeini? mossad?

To some extent - the Shah.

Without the Shah's staggering and catastrophic decision to start damning Khomeinii as a British agent in the Iranian press, the guy would likely have died a little known cleric in exile.

It's worth watching the documentary I posted earlier - it identifies both this and the Shah's sipping alcohol on TV as being crucial moments in his downfall.

 

[kvetch]

Again you have told me nothing new "kvetch" Most of my closest friends from India and Pakstan have been doctors----SCORES AND SCORES AND SCORES of them------but I have also been well acquainted with Indians and Pakistanis from much "lower classes" It is the muslim doctors from both India and Pakistan who are so well acquainted with islamo nazi propaganda------after all---THEY GOT THE BEST MARKS IN SCHOOL I have often wondered why hindus and muslims in from the some provinces in India LEARN SO DIFFERENT A HISTORY OF THE WORLD----and-----"INFORMATION ABOUT JEWS"

Iranians----learned a different history altogether-----until recently

Iranians----learned a different history altogether-----until recently

Irosie...please say more

it would work better that way than me trying to pour tea into an already full teapot

i am interested in ancient iran; i heard plato was trained there

and the jews and zoros in persia......

because i DONT know and would like to... and you say you do....

so over to you

 

[irosie91]

wrong again---Saigon------whether the Shah's mistakes or weaknesses were factors in that led to the success of the disgusting PIG KHOMEINI to gain power in Iran-----the fact is that KHOMEINI was responsible for the stinking filth of Khomeini you want to claim that adolf's nasty father CREATED ADOLF?

 

[Saigon]

wrong again---Saigon------whether the Shah's mistakes or weaknesses were factors in that led to the success of the disgusting PIG KHOMEINI to gain power in Iran-----the fact is that KHOMEINI was responsible for the stinking filth of Khomeini you want to claim that adolf's nasty father CREATED ADOLF?

Of course Khomeini is responsible for his own actions - but that does not make his rise to power inevitable.

The Shah is responsible for a very major extent to Khomeini's rise to power.

I recommend Kapusinski's iconic 'King of Kings' on this - it's simply indispensable, as so much of his work is.

 

[irosie91]

I am not interested in reading any WHAT IF.......... reconstructions of history

 

[Saigon]

I am not interested in reading any WHAT IF.......... reconstructions of history

No - you are not interested in facts, nor in history, and neither is Roady.

Otherwise you would read, you would travel, and you would watch documentaries.

It really is as simple as that.

 

[kvetch]

Again you have told me nothing new "kvetch" Most of my closest friends from India and Pakstan have been doctors----SCORES AND SCORES AND SCORES of them------but I have also been well acquainted with Indians and Pakistanis from much "lower classes" It is the muslim doctors from both India and Pakistan who are so well acquainted with islamo nazi propaganda------after all---THEY GOT THE BEST MARKS IN SCHOOL I have often wondered why hindus and muslims in from the some provinces in India LEARN SO DIFFERENT A HISTORY OF THE WORLD----and-----"INFORMATION ABOUT JEWS"

Iranians----learned a different history altogether-----until recently

Iranians----learned a different history altogether-----until recently

Irosie...please say more

it would work better that way than me trying to pour tea into an already full teapot

i am interested in ancient iran; i heard plato was trained there

and the jews and zoros in persia......

because i DONT know and would like to... and you say you do....

so over to you

just to help you address my interests, is it true that the zoros were against slavery in principle

is that why they freed greek jewish and other captive slaves

were they the first universal monotheists?

the persians SEEM to have been better than other empires and the later shia also gave birth to great art and sufi poets and mystics and other breakaway sects like bahai which could not have happened in the stricter sunni lands

so from what little I know, iran has claims to have been "civilised"...long ago

do you agree??

 

[irosie91]

I am not interested in reading any WHAT IF.......... reconstructions of history

No - you are not interested in facts, nor in history, and neither is Roady.

Otherwise you would read, you would travel, and you would watch documentaries.

It really is as simple as that.

wrong again------in fact I have read quite a bit in my life which is why I recognize who and what you are. Documentaries are useful only for ENTERTAINMENT-----as to "travel" anyone who imagines that vistiing Indian market places or sipping tea in the tent of a Bedouin provides insight into the real lives of people----is an idiot My interaction with people is an experience you can never duplicate-------it is very very very penetrating in a manner which even if I explained it to you------you would not understand

 

[kvetch]

roudy you seem to fancy yourself as the new/old shah of iran

a toast to your fantasy in pure halal champagne

He does...but then there are also people out there who think Hitler was just misunderstood and Stalin was the best leader Russia has ever had.

I think part of the problem people have with historical figures is the need for them to be 100% good or 100% evil.

Unfortunately, history is littered with figures who were both good and evil, and who performed acts which were both laudatory and disgraceful. Pinochet, Ataturk, Sadat, Sukarno, even Mussolini were capable of staggering acts of despotism, whilst alo doing some good things.

The Shah is one of those conflcited figures, but that isn't someone everyone can understand.

i agree totally;

black or white is how the defective human processor works and it takes a lot to think in colour!!!

even in israel they have a memorial to the TRUE destroyers of Nazism.....not the Yanx or Brits but the Soviet Red army who lost 20 million plus and did 80% of all the fighting

no acknowledgement of them here in UK or USA

and uncle joe stalin and his satellites voted for israel's creation and his czech arms helped israel win the war of independence......otherwise no israel

didn't stop him purging jewish doctors and thousands more

 

[kvetch]

I am fascinated with "kvethch"s claim that

"israel trained the secret police of all the world's worst pro western dictators; the list is staggering

all the worst of africa and latin america as well as iran"


How FASCINATING just what SECRETS did they impart?
were they "trained" in their own countries or IN ISRAEL?

can I have a few names?

Kvetch----I have heard it all before-----I have worked with muslims educated in both pakistan and India-----young professionals ------FULL OF THE KNOWLEGE OF THEIR recent school years------the very best-----which is why they got into the best schools of their counties

my main source for the staggering list:

Blog: Israel and the Ongoing Holocaust in Congo - Wake Up From Your Slumber !

Your source is a Nazi conspiracy blog for retards?? Bwahahahahahahaha!

try this one; it has a fuller list

Read or download The Holocaust Violence

 

[kvetch]

An excerpt: it's by an Israeli writer

That these circles influential in the Israeli administration support fascist regimes and organizations worldwide is established in detail by Israeli writer Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi. According to his book The Israeli Connection: Whom Israel Arms and Why, Israel has insured the "stability" by supporting oppressive regimes all over the world.

Israel's allies in Africa have included fascist organizations, and such cruel, repressive, and even cannibal dictators as Idi Amin, Edine Ahmed Bokassa, and Mobutu Sese Seko. As Hallahmi points out, Israel began to focus on Africa in the 1950s and from then on, has supported and armed all fascist African regimes. Israeli military consultants have trained their security services. The right-wing UNITA and FNLA guerrillas in Angola; the bodyguards of Idi Amin and Bokassa; the French OAS commandos who rebelled against the French decision to grant independence to Algeria; the Portuguese colonial troops in Mozambique; the army of the Emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie; and most important of all, the bloody-handed "security forces" of South Africa's racist white regime: All were trained and armed by Israeli military experts.149

Idi Amin (left) and Bokassa (right): two well-known Southern African dictators with whom the Israeli inner establishment collaborated.

Central and South American fascists have also been important allies of the Israeli radical circles, who for many years have been the biggest supplier of aid to Latin America's fascist regimes and parties, its military juntas and drug cartels. According to Beit-Hallahmi, Israel has played three main roles in the region: supplying arms to the fascist powers; training their troops (which training included guerrilla and counter-guerrilla tactics, methods of interrogation and torture, and techniques of social control); and serving as a source of inspiration to these regimes. Hallahmi writes:

 

[kvetch]

Israel is also up to its eyes in the bloody conflict diamond industry in congo, sierra leone, etc

It has imported a good part of the jewish russian and east european mafias (e.g. Lieberann, ambassador to putin but no-one else!!)

It has the ecstasy drug industry

AND Israel has many wonderful people

I get more of my info from HONEST israelis than anyone else

NONE from muslim sources; they don't do hasbara, just genocidal crap

DONT say Jews ate african babies..it aint no blood libel

sadly ............very very sadly..............these are facts

mostly the israelis were used and abused by the USA...the CIA and the French to do their dirty work for them and together with them

France...in exchange for help with nuclear weapons
USA for political help and much else besides

all to keep the world free.............?????

 

[Roudy]

As conflicted as he was he was still thousands of times better than the Islamic savages that Carter helped bring to power. Idiot.

I agree that he was better than Khomeini et al - but then perhaps he should not have helped bring them to power.

The only person who can take any responsibility for the fall of the Shah - is the Shah. He did it all to himself - as so many despots do.

Of course it was the US that removed the elected government and installed the Shah in 1953.

Yup, he was a Socialist and the US and the West could not take the chance with the Cold War raging back then. Besides how do you know those elections were "fair" and Mossadegh wasn't a Communist plant?