Jesus was a commie...

[Shogun]

Jesus wasn't about -forcing- anyone to do anything.


well. you know.. except for those moneychangers in the temple...


he really let them come to the conclusion that their services were a sty in the temples eye on there own free volition...





It sure is convincing when someone says "uh, you just don't understand" rather than prove their point with evidence!


I hear Parents just don't understand either.. But that could have just been teen angst from Wil Smith.

 

[Ravi]

And that's what you don't get.
Jesus wasn't about -forcing- anyone to do anything. He was all about choosing to do what was right -- that is, you have to do it out of your own free will.
What makes you believe that Jesus would have forced people to be charitable?


Then you dont understand Christianity at all -- Christianity doesn't follow the idea that "the ends justify the means".
What makes you believe that Jesus would have charity be anything other than voluntary?

No force involved. Your freewill would still allow you to opt out -- quit working and you won't have to pay taxes. Jesus thought the poor should be helped, therefore he wants us to use our brains and come up with the best way to help them.

Now, those quotes that lead you to believe he thinks charity should not be administered by the government (who is us, btw, duh).

 

[M14 Shooter]

No force involved.

Of course there is. You have no choice but to pay taxes, and you have no choice where that tax money goes. You are forced to be charitable, which isn't Christian charity at all.

Jesus thought the poor should be helped...

... through free will, a basic tenet of Christianity.
There's no free will in the welfare state.

 

[Ravi]

I just told you...you can stop working. Or leave the country.

I'm still waiting for your Jesus quotes.

 

[Shogun]

I just told you...you can stop working. Or leave the country.

I'm still waiting for your Jesus quotes.

you are gonna be waiting a loooong time..


ignorance is bliss when facts don't meet the standard of an opinion.


Come on, shooter.. don't be a scerred.. quote the bible since you seem to be the chritianity expert.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I just told you...you can stop working. Or leave the country.

You did say that. Not sure why, given that it runs against your position that people should be forced to provide charity to others.

No matter how you want to slice it, that runs against the basic Christian tenet that Charity must be borne of Free Will.

Never mind that creating the welfare state in order to force people to comply to the Christian tenet of charity, as you suggest that we do, violates the seperation of church and state....

 

[Diuretic]

A welfare state doesn't force anyone to comply with charity, it has no effect on private acts of charity at all unless it specifically prohibits them and I can't think why it would.

 

[M14 Shooter]

A welfare state doesn't force anyone to comply with charity, it has no effect on private acts of charity at all unless it specifically prohibits them and I can't think why it would.

Sure it does. It forces everyone to give 'charity' to those that 'need' it.
That it has no effect on giving provate charity is meaningless.

 

[Diuretic]

Sure it does. It forces everyone to give 'charity' to those that 'need' it.
That it has no effect on giving provate charity is meaningless.

How does it force everyone to give to charity?

 

[M14 Shooter]

How does it force everyone to give to charity?

I dont know what you call in down there, but here, Social Security, Medicare, etc, are all welfare programs that provide things for those that need them - the old, the sick, the poor, etc. Thus, these are all charities that we are forced to give to.

 

[Diuretic]

I dont know what you call in down there, but here, Social Security, Medicare, etc, are all welfare programs that provide things for those that need them - the old, the sick, the poor, etc. Thus, these are all charities that we are forced to give to.

You're forced to give to charities? Do they take it our of your pay?

 

[M14 Shooter]

You're forced to give to charities? Do they take it our of your pay?

Of course they do, specifically for those charities.

 

[Diuretic]

Of course they do, specifically for those charities.

How do you know?

 

[M14 Shooter]

How do you know?

Its on my paystub. Its called the FICA deduction.

 

[Shogun]

M14shooter..


you can't prove your assumptions so your opinion is as significant as fred phelps's on homosexuality and foreign policy. I've asked you to prove your assumptions about jebus and charity and you reply with shit like "well you just dont get it" or "you just don't understnd christianity" or "it's basic christianity". All of which are laughable responses to the reasonable request that you PROVE your assumption about jebus's premium on non-government charity.


Just so you know, every time you ignore this request you make me laugh a little bit more. You, sir, don't know what the hell you are talking about on this issue.

 

[Diuretic]

Its on my paystub. Its called the FICA deduction.

I have to admit I don't know what that means. So I'll call it a FIIK deduction.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have to admit I don't know what that means. So I'll call it a FIIK deduction.

Fact remains, we are focred to give to charites, negating the Christian concept of Free Will.

 

[Diuretic]

Fact remains, we are focred to give to charites, negating the Christian concept of Free Will.

I don't know if you're forced to give to charities, as I said, FIIK. If you're arguing that because you pay tax then you are forced to give to charities then you're using the same argument of some people who whine because their government uses tax money to fund the military.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I don't know if you're forced to give to charities, as I said, FIIK. If you're arguing that because you pay tax then you are forced to give to charities then you're using the same argument of some people who whine because their government uses tax money to fund the military.

Um, no...
I'm arguing that if you're forced to give, then you aren't giving of your own free will. The Christian concept of charity relies on free will, and as such, Jesus, being He who invented the concept fo Christian Charity, would not be a socialist.

 

[Diuretic]

Um, no...
I'm arguing that if you're forced to give, then you aren't giving of your own free will. The Christian concept of charity relies on free will, and as such, Jesus, being He who invented the concept fo Christian Charity, would not be a socialist.

Since you're not being forced to give there's no problem. No-one is stopping you exercising your free will and giving to charity.