Javelin does not destroy Russian T72-B3 or better tanks. Don't take my word for it. Take the US Army's word for it.

[1stNickD]

I'm so sick and fucking tired of the Democrat propaganda coming out of this Ukraine war.

https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2017/spring/2Fiore17.pdf

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Let me re-emphasize the US ARMY'S OWN STATEMENT about Russian Tanks in actual combat.


Do I make myself clear? You're being FUCKING LIED TO.

And the US Military has paper after paper on this.

Ukraine is getting destroyed, completely, the world can't stop it or is choosing to be helpless. Javelins and anti-tank weapons are generally ineffective. And the whole narrative that Russia's getting its asskicked is a fucking lie.

Read the US ARMY paper on BTG performance in the Donbas against US trained and equipped BEST BATTALIONS of Ukraine and you'll see just how hard a fight it really is and how much what you're being told is most likely 100% BULLSHIT.

If you read the whole paper you'd understand exactly why Russia has taken over parts of Ukraine the way it did and why it is winning 100%, hands down winning.

Russia controls territory and has strike capability against every major city in Ukraine. That's all they want. They don't want to go into the city. They want to surround it and turn it into Mariupol.

Democrats don't know what the fuck they're talking about

Exactly, we are shown pictures of individual tanks and personnel carriers destroyed, but views of the once beautifuk and vibrant cities totally reduced to rubble are never shown. Meanwhile Putin already controls the parts of Ukraine that he wanted and Ukraine's leader has now openly said he will consider total neutrality which means no NATO membership. That was something Biden said was non negotiable before hostilities started.

Biden has made sure Ukraine cannot win, they are supplied only enough weapons to extend the fight for his political purposes, and then he will let them all die once his own political needs are met.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The best defense is a good offence, you know.

Luckily, Russia has nothing (but imaginary threats) against which to defend. Since their offense sucks so badly.

 

[Silver Cat]

Luckily, Russia has nothing (but imaginary threats) against which to defend. Since their offense sucks so badly.

In fact, NATO's support for Ukraine is quite real, which proves (for Russians) that they were right attacking Ukraine now, and not waiting for further strengthening. What is even more important, it consolidate Russian people in their resistance against another "Drang nach Osten". From their point of view it's NATO's proxy aggression against Russia.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In fact, NATO's support for Ukraine is quite real

Then maybe Russia should try to outsupport them, instead of outkilling them. It seems the support is not limited to NATO, either. See: Finland, for just one example.

which proves (for Russians) that they were right attacking Ukraine now, and not waiting for further strengthening.

..if the goal is to absorb Ukraine. Which, it is. See how quickly an entire population can fall, in supporting something so unethical and immoral?

Just feed them some boogeyman lies (nazis). And voila, let's kill Ukrainians.

 

[Silver Cat]

Then maybe Russia should try to outsupport them, instead of outkilling them. It seems the support is not limited to NATO, either. See: Finland, for just one example.

Yes. Russia supports "good Ukrainians" against bad ones. And the one of form of support is a military attack.

..if the goal is to absorb Ukraine. Which, it is. See how quickly an entire population can fall, in supporting something so unethical and immoral?

There is nothing unethical or immoral in self-defense. Same way, a possible American attack against Cuba in 1962 or Canada in 2030 (in the case of pro-Chinese coup there) can be moral and ethical.

Just feed them some boogeyman lies (nazis). And voila, let's kill Ukrainians.

They don't say "let's kill Ukrainians". They say - let's save Ukrainians from discriminating and undemocratic Kievan regime and let's defend Russia from the Western genocide.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

DarthTrader

Look at how high the entire Russian tank turret flies into the air. Gotta be 150 feet. It seems to hover above the fireball. Crazy.

Damn!

The commies don't make tanks like they used to.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Exactly, we are shown pictures of individual tanks and personnel carriers destroyed, but views of the once beautifuk and vibrant cities totally reduced to rubble are never shown. Meanwhile Putin already controls the parts of Ukraine that he wanted and Ukraine's leader has now openly said he will consider total neutrality which means no NATO membership. That was something Biden said was non negotiable before hostilities started.

Biden has made sure Ukraine cannot win, they are supplied only enough weapons to extend the fight for his political purposes, and then he will let them all die once his own political needs are met.

Why do you lie?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I'm so sick and fucking tired of the Democrat propaganda coming out of this Ukraine war.

https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2017/spring/2Fiore17.pdf

Page 4


Let me re-emphasize the US ARMY'S OWN STATEMENT about Russian Tanks in actual combat.


Do I make myself clear? You're being FUCKING LIED TO.

And the US Military has paper after paper on this.

Ukraine is getting destroyed, completely, the world can't stop it or is choosing to be helpless. Javelins and anti-tank weapons are generally ineffective. And the whole narrative that Russia's getting its asskicked is a fucking lie.

Read the US ARMY paper on BTG performance in the Donbas against US trained and equipped BEST BATTALIONS of Ukraine and you'll see just how hard a fight it really is and how much what you're being told is most likely 100% BULLSHIT.

If you read the whole paper you'd understand exactly why Russia has taken over parts of Ukraine the way it did and why it is winning 100%, hands down winning.

Russia controls territory and has strike capability against every major city in Ukraine. That's all they want. They don't want to go into the city. They want to surround it and turn it into Mariupol.

Democrats don't know what the fuck they're talking about

Yes we're being lied to by you.

Not all the tanks have the reactive armor and even those that do can be defeated with the Javelins especially when they are fired in the indirect "top attack" mode striking them where they are weakest.

Rarely does it take more than one hit to disable them with the Javelin.

Ukrainians Are Cleverly Using Javelin Missiles to Destroy Russian Armor

Given their numerical and technological inferiority, Ukrainian forces must manipulate terrain against the Russian military to achieve military successes on the battlefield.

nationalinterest.org

U.S.-Made Javelin Missiles Rack Up Russian Tank Kills in Ukraine

Ukrainian forces are reporting great success in using American-made Javelin anti-tank missiles against invading Russian armor.

www.breitbart.com

Javelin missiles: Thank DARPA for Ukraine's success against Russian tanks

Javelin missiles have been an effective force multiplier, the latter-day equivalent of the slingshot that David used against Goliath.

bigthink.com

Russia’s T-90 Tank vs. Javelin Missiles: Who Wins?

The Russians are concerned about the Javelin because the T-90 had some problems against the TOW-2A that was used by untrained rebels.

www.19fortyfive.com

The over 600 tanks and armored vehicles they've lost to fire from the Javelins attest to just how effective the missiles are against Russian Armor.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Exactly, we are shown pictures of individual tanks and personnel carriers destroyed, but views of the once beautifuk and vibrant cities totally reduced to rubble are never shown. Meanwhile Putin already controls the parts of Ukraine that he wanted and Ukraine's leader has now openly said he will consider total neutrality which means no NATO membership. That was something Biden said was non negotiable before hostilities started.

Biden has made sure Ukraine cannot win, they are supplied only enough weapons to extend the fight for his political purposes, and then he will let them all die once his own political needs are met.

Why do you feel such a need to lie?











Video shows destructive aftermath in Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city

When this war is over we're going to see the full extent of the damage and liars and fools like yourself will be put in your places once and for all.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, this difference is really slight. The best defense is a good offence, you know. Also, from their point of view, it was Ukraine, who attacked DPR and LPR, and it were western-backed Nazi-militants who spilled the first blood in this conflict on Maidan-2014.

Ukraine was not a threat to invade Russia

As to NATO, it is now obvious that they needed NATO to protect them from Russian aggression

 

[rightwinger]

Why do you feel such a need to lie?

Armed forces that are winning don’t need to lie.

In Afghanistan and Iraq, the US reported its casualties immediately and the press reported deaths on a daily basis.

Putin is hiding his casualties from the Russian people. He doesn’t even return the bodies because he does not want daily public funerals. He has mobile cremation units to destroy the bodies

 

[Silver Cat]

Ukraine was not a threat to invade Russia

Yes, it was, and it still is (from the Russian point of view). Ukraine claims on Russian Crimea, as well as on the lands of Russian allies - LPR and DPR. What is even more important - they sponsored terroristic organisations in Russia, worked on producing WMD, and so on...

As to NATO, it is now obvious that they needed NATO to protect them from Russian aggression

Yes. And the best defense is a good offence (and it is correct for NATO, too). The only way to return Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine is a preemptive nuclear attack against Russia. So, joining NATO means a nuclear war against Russia. The Russians decided to attack first.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, it was, and it still is (from the Russian point of view). Ukraine claims on Russian Crimea, as well as on the lands of Russian allies - LPR and DPR. What is even more important - they sponsored terroristic organisations in Russia, worked on producing WMD, and so on...

Yes. And the best defense is a good offence (and it is correct for NATO, too). The only way to return Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine is a preemptive nuclear attack against Russia. So, joining NATO means a nuclear war against Russia. The Russians decided to attack first.

Reminds me of when Hitler “needed” to liberate Austria to free their German population

 

[Silver Cat]

Reminds me of when Hitler “needed” to liberate Austria to free their German population

I hope you understand, that the "reunion of German people" (sometimes - "reunion of European peoples") was not just a quirk of a crazy dictator. This ideology was born long before Hitler, and it have been supported for a long time by a great number of people (both in Germany and Austria).

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes. Russia supports "good Ukrainians" against bad ones.

An embarrassing lie. Nobody buys this embarrassing horseshit, except for brainwashed russians. Not even you.

 

[krichton]

If javelins are so ineffective why are russians abandoning their tanks. Why are Ukranians capturing and destroying so many? Why is Russia in full retreat mode? Why can't Russia hold a single city or town? Because their tanks are so good? LOL

All these russian troll threads from right wingers are hilarious.

 

[Silver Cat]

An embarrassing lie. Nobody buys this embarrassing horseshit, except for brainwashed russians. Not even you.

The Russians and Ukrainians are so close to each other, that conflict between them is a form of a civil war. For Ukrainians it is a conflict between Banderovci (mostly Western Ukrainian nationalist pro-Nazi collaborants) and Vatniks (mostly Eastern and Southern Russian-speaking pro-Stalinists). For Russians it's mostly conflict between Patriots and Liberals. For Orthodoxal Christians it is a conflict between Ecumenical Patriarchy of Constantinople (with their conception of the Eastern Pope) and other (mostly non-Greek) Churches (who consider such claims as resurrection of the Popish Heresy). For Muslims it's a conflict between "traditional Sunni Islam" and "secular Islam" from one side and "radical Wahhabism" and "Secular Panturkism" from another. For Jews it's a conflict between Chabad (wider - the tribe of Zavulon) and secularism (wider - the tribe of Naphtali).
There is a fraging mess of ethnical, linguistic, cultural, political and economical contradictions and conflicts (as everywhere else) and the tendency to black&white simplification is pretty dangerous.

 

[Silver Cat]

If javelins are so ineffective why are russians abandoning their tanks.

Russians sometimes abandon their tanks, Ukrainians, much more often abandon their tanks. Mostly because of logistical problems.

Why are Ukranians capturing and destroying so many? Why is Russia in full retreat mode?

Russia is not retreating. Actually, they advance in some directions.

Why can't Russia hold a single city or town? Because their tanks are so good? LOL

They hold the whole Donbass, they hold Kherson and Melitopol regions. And the most important problem for them is a problem of hostages (the Russian population of the Southern and Eastern regions of Ukraine). That's why they are still acting in white gloves and try to avoid unnecessary collateral damage.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yes, it was, and it still is (from the Russian point of view). Ukraine claims on Russian Crimea, as well as on the lands of Russian allies - LPR and DPR. What is even more important - they sponsored terroristic organisations in Russia, worked on producing WMD, and so on...

Yes. And the best defense is a good offence (and it is correct for NATO, too). The only way to return Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine is a preemptive nuclear attack against Russia. So, joining NATO means a nuclear war against Russia. The Russians decided to attack first.

Neither Ukraine nor NATO have ever been a threat to do anything but stop Russian Invasions.

You're just fabricating bullshit by the ton here because you have nothing else to offer.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Russians sometimes abandon their tanks, Ukrainians, much more often abandon their tanks. Mostly because of logistical problems.


Russia is not retreating. Actually, they advance in some directions.



They hold the whole Donbass, they hold Kherson and Melitopol regions. And the most important problem for them is a problem of hostages (the Russian population of the Southern and Eastern regions of Ukraine). That's why they are still acting in white gloves and try to avoid unnecessary collateral damage.

You continue lying.

Why?