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Crew protection is all well and good, but a mobility kill flank shot renders them combat ineffective and the crews has to unass the vehicle or they will be taken out also. No tank successfully protects tracks, road wheels and drive sprockets and final drives. Ukrainians are doing quite well taking out Russian equipment, due to the weapons (javelins included) and tactic they use.I'm so sick and fucking tired of the Democrat propaganda coming out of this Ukraine war.
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Let me re-emphasize the US ARMY'S OWN STATEMENT about Russian Tanks in actual combat.
Do I make myself clear? You're being FUCKING LIED TO.
And the US Military has paper after paper on this.
Ukraine is getting destroyed, completely, the world can't stop it or is choosing to be helpless. Javelins and anti-tank weapons are generally ineffective. And the whole narrative that Russia's getting its asskicked is a fucking lie.
Read the US ARMY paper on BTG performance in the Donbas against US trained and equipped BEST BATTALIONS of Ukraine and you'll see just how hard a fight it really is and how much what you're being told is most likely 100% BULLSHIT.
If you read the whole paper you'd understand exactly why Russia has taken over parts of Ukraine the way it did and why it is winning 100%, hands down winning.
Russia controls territory and has strike capability against every major city in Ukraine. That's all they want. They don't want to go into the city. They want to surround it and turn it into Mariupol.
Democrats don't know what the fuck they're talking about
bigthink.com
I'm so glad Ukraininform.net is publishing unverified reports that you can not verify or coorborate.
Ukraine Army completely smash Russian T-72 tank with Javelin
The Ukrainian defenders of the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Zakarpattia Brigade have completely smashed a T-72 battle tank of the Russian army. — Ukrinform.www.ukrinform.net
reports.
“The T-72 battle tank of the Russian army was completely smashed by the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Zakarpattia Brigade. Neither active defense, nor the so-called ‘brazier’ (bars welded on the top) helped it against the Javelin portable anti-tank missile system,” the report states.
Thank god Bigthink.com is there to prove US ARMY wrong.Javelin missiles: Thank DARPA for Ukraine's success against Russian tanks
Javelin missiles have been an effective force multiplier, the latter-day equivalent of the slingshot that David used against Goliath.
Your valid comment is out of the scope of the stupidity of the rest of the people in this thread. Tactics may destroy tanks. But Javelins are doubtfully the game changer. And we don't know the attrition that the Ukrainians are suffering to get any valid tank kills.Crew protection is all well and good, but a mobility kill flank shot renders them combat ineffective and the cres has to unass the vehicle or they will be taken out also. Not tank successfully protects tracks, road wheels and drive sprockets and final drives. Ukrainians are doing quite well taking out Russian equipment, due to the weapons (javelins included) and tactic they use.
It can't and not proven. You're welcome to provide US ARMY material discussions on the effectiveness of Javelins.If a TOW can pierce armor of a T90, so can a Javelin. Proven in Syria with US supplied units. Plus the Javelin is "fire and forget" and can be used day or night.
They have to lie because Biden told Putin to go ahead and invade Ukraine just like Obama did with Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.I'm so sick and fucking tired of the Democrat propaganda coming out of this Ukraine war.
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Let me re-emphasize the US ARMY'S OWN STATEMENT about Russian Tanks in actual combat.
Do I make myself clear? You're being FUCKING LIED TO.
And the US Military has paper after paper on this.
Ukraine is getting destroyed, completely, the world can't stop it or is choosing to be helpless. Javelins and anti-tank weapons are generally ineffective. And the whole narrative that Russia's getting its asskicked is a fucking lie.
Read the US ARMY paper on BTG performance in the Donbas against US trained and equipped BEST BATTALIONS of Ukraine and you'll see just how hard a fight it really is and how much what you're being told is most likely 100% BULLSHIT.
If you read the whole paper you'd understand exactly why Russia has taken over parts of Ukraine the way it did and why it is winning 100%, hands down winning.
Russia controls territory and has strike capability against every major city in Ukraine. That's all they want. They don't want to go into the city. They want to surround it and turn it into Mariupol.
Democrats don't know what the fuck they're talking about
Again, the opinion of an Army Captain is not the official US Army positionMaybe you don't know what is meant by "shoulder fired antitank weapons" and that the US has two types and has given both to Ukraine for years.
Lastly - I really don't care it's a Grad Student paper.
It's literally grad students and their works that won WW2....all of the major generals were graduate students and knew each other from college and had little to no wartime experience dealing with the new weapons of WW2, Everything they did was game theory and war games and .... dissertations.
You're a pathetic shit for diminishing graduate studies work.
LOLOLLO fuck off.Again, the opinion of an Army Captain is not the official US Army position
Even the phrase you use is taken out of context. The paper as a whole is a review of how Russian forces are being defeated. The phrase you used is a complement of reactive armor.
It never claims Javelins are an ineffective weapon or that Javelins cannot defeat a T72 Tank
They have done so repeatedly
I'd agree with this. I think most tank "kills" in Ukraine right now are maintenance break downs.The most effective anti-tank weapon is making them run out of fuel. Use those javelins on fuel trucks and before you know it you have a bunch of sitting ducks.
It is a dissertation from a Grad School Student
At no point does it claim the Javelin is an ineffective weapon and neither does the US Army
Saying and doing = two different things. That was back in 2017. It's 2022 now.It can't and not proven. You're welcome to provide US ARMY material discussions on the effectiveness of Javelins.
But T90s were not crewed by Russians and never destroyed by a TOW.
The only confirmed contact between TOW and T90 resulted in a loss for the TOW, the T90 withstood the missile attack.
"Truth is the first casualty of war."I am sorry, but from every report I see, Winger is correct.
You have 1 of 2 choices here-----------------> Either the the free worlds media is collectively lying to our faces from BOTH sides of the aisle, (which could be possible) or that someone is trying to gaslight us from overseas. (which could also be possible too)
In any case, I will reserve judgement for awhile, because propaganda on both sides is rampant. But as of this post, I gotta go along with (shock) Rightwinger!
Looks like our Russian Troll is in denialProve it dumb shit. Got real evidence or just more MSM bullshit?
The map of where Russians control proves otherwise.
There is no tank that is immune to sustained attack by Molotov cocktails. It's one of the hazards of taking them into towns. Eventually the soldiers have to come out or suffocate.I'd agree with this. I think most tank "kills" in Ukraine right now are maintenance break downs.
Then Ukraine assess if they capture or destroy it in-situ.
That's why there's no combat evidence and dead bodies or other evidence of fighting in most of the pictures there are.
Also your fucking rebuttal after lying about my ARMY document is a god damned MSN ARTICLE FUCK YOU
Well, l dunno about all that..but your assuming all who disagree with you are Democrats tends to devalue anything you say. After all, if you treat one unknown as a fact, you may well have a habit of doing that.This thread has proven Democrats to be dumber than shit.
I provide research papers by US ARMY.
They provide MSNBC as their source.
And then tell me how stupid the US ARMY is...
