James Madison, a framer of our constitution, warned of the dangers of extreme...

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"Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution." - James Madison



peace...

 

[Iceweasel]

Are you actually suggesting most people can live on 400 a week? This is before taxes mind you. I think you're full of shit anyway. You couldn't especially if you have a kid.

Again it is fallacy to assume anyone can get a decent paying job.

Blame the liberals for keeping the economy in the tanks. The better the economy, the better the jobs. I'm not most people and haven't aquired their debt or lifestyles. I have lived on much less. Back in the day we used to get roommates and share expenses. And no one I knew had food stamps or subsidies.

 

[bripat9643]

But stimulation of economic demand from a higher wage would CREATE jobs.

That is not what the report says, it specifically says it will cost 500000 jobs and improve conditions for others. It does not claim new jobs will suddenly appear.

I didn't say the report said that. I just know I am right. Are you unaware how capitalism works?

So-called "stimulation of economic demand" is socialism, not capitalism. All the evidence shows that it doesn't work.

 

[Billy000]

That is not what the report says, it specifically says it will cost 500000 jobs and improve conditions for others. It does not claim new jobs will suddenly appear.

I didn't say the report said that. I just know I am right. Are you unaware how capitalism works?

So-called "stimulation of economic" demand is socialism, not capitalism. All the evidence shows that it doesn't work.

You are dumb as a post. Consumer spending is what drives the economy.

 

[Kondor3]

Oh, nobody questions that the Federal Government has the power to tax, etc.

It's just that for the past 200+ years of the life of our Republic, we have avoided using those powers in such a manner so as to forcibly redistribute wealth, on the scope and scale apparently being advocated or speculated upon here.

"Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing."

This is not the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of the United States of America..

Not yet, anyway, so long as we can hold on, 'til January 20, 2017.

Until then, it's a Delaying Action...

The real reason why the American People restored control of the House (and the national pursestrings) to the Opposition party...

Yes because Freedom is so well defined by the seizing illegally of peoples assets because you think they have to much.

Who gets to decide what is too much? Who gets to decide what to do with the stolen goods and cash?

Of course in order to seize these goods and cash one must first strip those we deem to wealthy of their rights all across the board. That would take an amendment to the Constitution. Several actually. And would stifle growth and prosperity for all.

Further even if you take the seized goods and cash and distribute it to the poor it will only help them until they spend it or use it as they still do not have the means to produce more themselves. So then you would need to lower the bar on who is to wealthy and strip them as well. Until everyone is poor and has no means to make more.

Great plan.

It's all here.

In black and white. English too.

Section 8

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

What part of that don't you understand?

 

[Iceweasel]

You are dumb as a post. Consumer spending is what drives the economy.

Without wealth they can't spend anything. Without products and services they have nothing to buy. So they need wealth and goods. That comes from business, not government.

 

[The Rabbi]

I didn't say the report said that. I just know I am right. Are you unaware how capitalism works?

So-called "stimulation of economic" demand is socialism, not capitalism. All the evidence shows that it doesn't work.

You are dumb as a post. Consumer spending is what drives the economy.

Wrong. That is your first mistake.
Your second mistake is thinking gov't stimulates the economy by spending money
Your third mistake is thinking gov't invests money
Your fourth mistake is thinking you can solve income inequality by making rich people poor
Your fifth mistake is thinking you make people's lives better by mandating higher wages
Your sixth mistake is talking about economics when you've never studied the subject
Your seventh mistake is coming on these boards yammering about it and getting your ass handed to you in every thread.

 

[bripat9643]

What happens to the economy if multi-billion dollar corporations spend their trillions of dollars that are sitting in bank vaults?

That depends on what they spend it on. If they spent it the way Democrats want them to spend it, the result would be financial collapse.

 

[bripat9643]

I didn't say the report said that. I just know I am right. Are you unaware how capitalism works?

So-called "stimulation of economic" demand is socialism, not capitalism. All the evidence shows that it doesn't work.

You are dumb as a post. Consumer spending is what drives the economy.

Where do consumers get the money to spend?

 

[bedowin62]

Madison lived before left-wingers came along and thought dictating how much people could have and that everybody should be about the same was a better idea

of course that failed miserably everywhere it's been tried; and led, indeed still leads; to mass slaughter

idiots and hypocrites

 

[Katzndogz]

James Madison never made that statement so you are just debating something liberals think he should have said but never said.

At the time that James Madison was alive, the founders were very very wealthy. The income gap would have been this very small number of those with extreme wealth, and a huge majority who existed only by hunting and growing some food or trading what they made for food and built their own shelter. The founders lived in mansions while most of the people lived in shacks or lean-to's, or just a blanket roll on the ground. It's highly unlikely that any of the founders would have made such as asinine statement to begin with.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I'll gladly answer your ridiculous question. Yes, I. could live on $10 an hour if it were just me. No Wife, no kids, no nothing. When I entered the workforce, I made $.80 per hour. I was 14. When I retired from my SECOND career, I was making $97,000 per year and my Wife was/is making $114,00 per year.

Sit on your ass and wait for IT to come to YOU. You'll spend an eternity waiting. Either make it happen for yourself, or wallow in self-pity. The choice is yours - but don't sit on your ass blaming those who busted their humps 7 days a week building a business for themselves and their families. It's unbecoming.

I am not asking if you could live on 10 an hour when you were 14 numbnuts. I am talking about in today's economy. What about those wage earners that do have kids? Can they?

Again, you are a simpleton if you think ANYONE can get a decent paying job.

Yeah, you're right. Hell, look at me - a black guy that managed to get a University education, served in the military for 22 years, married a beautiful woman who happened to be an RN, retired from a SECOND career, bought 260 acres in Montana, built a home, raised a family (of college educated children) and lives a great life.

Who would of thought that us "uppity" ******* could ever accomplish ANYTHING without the hand of the almighty government intervening. Just goes to show you what determination can do for you.....

Quit your bellyaching, get off your ass and do something about your life.

 

[American4Americ]

...wealth inequality.

"The day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation."

- James Madison

FACT: the top 1% of earners own 40% of the nation's wealth. The bottom 80% of earners own 7% of the nation's wealth.

A few things can be taken away from the above information.

The founding fathers wouldn't even have lunch with someone from the rightwing teabaggers or republicans in general for that matter. They obviously believed in government intervention where today's republicans are very much against. Truth be told the framers were the equivalent of modern day liberals.

Republicanism is one giant political lie.

The framers weren't deities, they were wrong I this case.

 

[Listening]

...wealth inequality.

"The day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation."

- James Madison

FACT: the top 1% of earners own 40% of the nation's wealth. The bottom 80% of earners own 7% of the nation's wealth.

A few things can be taken away from the above information.

The founding fathers wouldn't even have lunch with someone from the rightwing teabaggers or republicans in general for that matter. They obviously believed in government intervention where today's republicans are very much against. Truth be told the framers were the equivalent of modern day liberals.

Republicanism is one giant political lie.

The framers weren't deities, they were wrong I this case.

12 pages and 180 posts just so Billy0000.0000 and Sallow can give each other electronic handjobs.

It is amazing how this theme keeps coming up time and time again. When Obama goes after Buffets wealth and Gates Wealth....I'll be very interested to see how it plays out.

Until then, we get to suck on the cost increases and taxes we call Obamacare....something that does nothing to rectify the issue of the OP.

I agree that wealth distribution is a problem. What I also know because I see it all the time is that government helps keep the wealthy that way. How many moguls are created because of wars. Check out Diane Feinstein's husband.

 

[Listening]

Yes, let's not forget the other things Madison said that Billy00000.00000 is so willing to ignore. Like how states will have the upper hand over the feds. Madison also penned the 10th amendment. Sallow probably can't count to ten so I guess...well, that explains it.

 

[blackhawk]

When that day comes, we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation."

The major problem with that statement is the ones who readjust the laws are politicians and the ones today they do not have wisdom to accomplish this and they are dam sure not the best elements in the country.

 

[Billy000]

So-called "stimulation of economic" demand is socialism, not capitalism. All the evidence shows that it doesn't work.

You are dumb as a post. Consumer spending is what drives the economy.

Wrong. That is your first mistake.
Your second mistake is thinking gov't stimulates the economy by spending money
Your third mistake is thinking gov't invests money
Your fourth mistake is thinking you can solve income inequality by making rich people poor
Your fifth mistake is thinking you make people's lives better by mandating higher wages
Your sixth mistake is talking about economics when you've never studied the subject
Your seventh mistake is coming on these boards yammering about it and getting your ass handed to you in every thread.

You misunderstand gov spending on the economy. As long as it is done appropriately, it does work. Why? Because when you stimulate economic demand, it causes a ripple effect in the economy. That is why it is not zero sum.

Everything else you said is so retarded it isn't even funny.

 

[Listening]

You are dumb as a post. Consumer spending is what drives the economy.

Wrong. That is your first mistake.
Your second mistake is thinking gov't stimulates the economy by spending money
Your third mistake is thinking gov't invests money
Your fourth mistake is thinking you can solve income inequality by making rich people poor
Your fifth mistake is thinking you make people's lives better by mandating higher wages
Your sixth mistake is talking about economics when you've never studied the subject
Your seventh mistake is coming on these boards yammering about it and getting your ass handed to you in every thread.

You misunderstand gov spending on the economy. As long as it is done appropriately, it does work. Why? Because when you stimulate economic demand, it causes a ripple effect in the economy. That is why it is not zero sum.

Everything else you said is so retarded it isn't even funny.

Here we go again.....

Billy and the Keynesians.

 

[Kosh]

And day by day the far left and Obama continue to widen the gap, notice that the income gap always gets bigger every time the far left asserts itself. Just goes to show that if you are for income equality that you should never vote far left.

 

[OKTexas]

...wealth inequality.

"The day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation."

- James Madison

FACT: the top 1% of earners own 40% of the nation's wealth. The bottom 80% of earners own 7% of the nation's wealth.

A few things can be taken away from the above information.

The founding fathers wouldn't even have lunch with someone from the rightwing teabaggers or republicans in general for that matter. They obviously believed in government intervention where today's republicans are very much against. Truth be told the framers were the equivalent of modern day liberals.

Republicanism is one giant political lie.

Another quote without context, you got a link where that quote came from, so we can see what he really said? Exactly what are you trying to hide?