It's Very Ironic that Liberals Frequently Compare Conservatives to Hitler and the Nazis

[Liminal]

It is silly in the extreme to compare Bush's invasion of Iraq to Hitler's invasion of Europe, and I can't believe anyone would dare make such an absurd comparison in public.

Whether Bush was justified or misguided in invading Iraq, he invaded in order to try to bring democracy to Iraq. Once we toppled Saddam, we arranged for the Iraqi people to elect their own leaders, and that election inspired other Arab peoples to want to choose their own leaders as well. And when Iraq's leaders insisted that we leave, we agreed to leave. We didn't burn villages to the ground when attacks occurred near them. We didn't wrongfully imprison thousands of people for criticizing our presence. We didn't shut down critical newspapers and jail their editors for disagreeing with us. Etc., etc., etc. So it is just nuts to compare Bush's invasion of Iraq to Hitler's invasions of conquest and subjugation.

It is obvious that liberals on this board cannot refute the OP's points of resemblance between Nazi policies and American liberal policies. Those resemblances include, but are not limited to:

* Hostility toward religion (especially toward Christianity and Judaism).
* Opposition to federalism. The Nazis rejected the idea of states rights and sought to centralize all power in the hands of the national government. Until then, Germany had states--regions with a degree of autonomy. Hitler himself attacked the concept of states rights; he wanted an all-powerful national government.
* Trying to put education under the control of the national government.
* Slavish adherence to Darwinian evolution.
* Rejection of traditional moral values.
* The idea that the national government has the right to regulate or control virtually any business.
* Hostility toward private schools and home schooling.
* Support for legalized elective abortion (one of the first things the Nazis did was to loosen Germany's abortion laws--they had no problem with abortion, but they didn't want "pure Aryan women" to get abortion because they wanted more "pure Aryan offspring").
* Opposition to private gun ownership (except for certain people and groups). As long as you were viewed as friendly to the Nazi regime, you could own a gun, but if the Nazis even suspected you were opposed to them, they would not hesitate to ban you from owning firearms. Soon after taking power, the Nazis banned Jews from owning guns.
* Tolerance of homosexuality among high-ranking leaders.
* A willingness to use the force of law and/or intimidation to suppress views you find objectionable. For example, "hate speech" laws, bombarding Christian businesses with threats and hate mail, prosecuting Christians who have respectfully protested at gay rights rallies, and the recent--and shocking--attempt by the Houston city council to force Christian churches to hand over transcripts of their sermons for possible "hate speech" violations.
* A willingness to circumvent, if not ignore, the legislative branch and to rule by executive order. The Democrats have increasingly been moving toward rule by executive order, even to the point of suggesting that the President can implement a nuclear arms deal with Iran without the Senate's approval, can change immigration policy without Congressional approval, and can raise taxes without Congressional approval--in clear, indisputable violation of the Constitution.
* I might add that after the war, unrepentant Nazis condemned the formation of the state of Israel and continually voiced disgusting criticisms of Israel, and some liberals are increasingly starting to voice attacks on Israel that sound very much like the Nazi criticisms of Israel.

By the way, I wonder how many liberals know that the official name of the Nazi party was "National Socialist German Workers' Party." And Nazi propaganda viciously attacked capitalism as having "Jews at its core" and as being the Jews' tool of choice. When the Nazis took over, they said the government had the right to control the economy and to regulate or take over any business it wanted.

Can't refute? You have yet to substantiate any part of your so called arguments with anything but more opinions. Apparently you don't quite get the concept of proof.

 

[mikegriffith1]

It is silly in the extreme to compare Bush's invasion of Iraq to Hitler's invasion of Europe, and I can't believe anyone would dare make such an absurd comparison in public.

Whether Bush was justified or misguided in invading Iraq, he invaded in order to try to bring democracy to Iraq. Once we toppled Saddam, we arranged for the Iraqi people to elect their own leaders, and that election inspired other Arab peoples to want to choose their own leaders as well. And when Iraq's leaders insisted that we leave, we agreed to leave. We didn't burn villages to the ground when attacks occurred near them. We didn't wrongfully imprison thousands of people for criticizing our presence. We didn't shut down critical newspapers and jail their editors for disagreeing with us. Etc., etc., etc. So it is just nuts to compare Bush's invasion of Iraq to Hitler's invasions of conquest and subjugation.

It is obvious that liberals on this board cannot refute the OP's points of resemblance between Nazi policies and American liberal policies. Those resemblances include, but are not limited to:

* Hostility toward religion (especially toward Christianity and Judaism).
* Opposition to federalism. The Nazis rejected the idea of states rights and sought to centralize all power in the hands of the national government. Until then, Germany had states--regions with a degree of autonomy. Hitler himself attacked the concept of states rights; he wanted an all-powerful national government.
* Trying to put education under the control of the national government.
* Slavish adherence to Darwinian evolution.
* Rejection of traditional moral values.
* The idea that the national government has the right to regulate or control virtually any business.
* Hostility toward private schools and home schooling.
* Support for legalized elective abortion (one of the first things the Nazis did was to loosen Germany's abortion laws--they had no problem with abortion, but they didn't want "pure Aryan women" to get abortion because they wanted more "pure Aryan offspring").
* Opposition to private gun ownership (except for certain people and groups). As long as you were viewed as friendly to the Nazi regime, you could own a gun, but if the Nazis even suspected you were opposed to them, they would not hesitate to ban you from owning firearms. Soon after taking power, the Nazis banned Jews from owning guns.
* Tolerance of homosexuality among high-ranking leaders.
* A willingness to use the force of law and/or intimidation to suppress views you find objectionable. For example, "hate speech" laws, bombarding Christian businesses with threats and hate mail, prosecuting Christians who have respectfully protested at gay rights rallies, and the recent--and shocking--attempt by the Houston city council to force Christian churches to hand over transcripts of their sermons for possible "hate speech" violations.
* A willingness to circumvent, if not ignore, the legislative branch and to rule by executive order. The Democrats have increasingly been moving toward rule by executive order, even to the point of suggesting that the President can implement a nuclear arms deal with Iran without the Senate's approval, can change immigration policy without Congressional approval, and can raise taxes without Congressional approval--in clear, indisputable violation of the Constitution.
* I might add that after the war, unrepentant Nazis condemned the formation of the state of Israel and continually voiced disgusting criticisms of Israel, and some liberals are increasingly starting to voice attacks on Israel that sound very much like the Nazi criticisms of Israel.

By the way, I wonder how many liberals know that the official name of the Nazi party was "National Socialist German Workers' Party." And Nazi propaganda viciously attacked capitalism as having "Jews at its core" and as being the Jews' tool of choice. When the Nazis took over, they said the government had the right to control the economy and to regulate or take over any business it wanted.

Can't refute? You have yet to substantiate any part of your so called arguments with anything but more opinions. Apparently you don't quite get the concept of proof.

You either can't read or you're just lying. My OP contains numerous links that provide plenty of evidence, most of it from Nazi sources and the rest from recently scholarly studies on Nazi Germany.

Have you read the links yet? If so, you know it is false to say that my arguments are based only on opinions. They are based on cold, hard, documented fact.

Are you denying that the Nazis liberalized abortion laws when they took power?

Are you denying that the Nazis violently persecuted Christian churches and Christians?

Are you denying that the Nazis rejected traditional moral values?

Are you denying that the Nazis rejected federalism and moved to concentrate all power in the hands of the national government?

Are you denying that the Nazis imposed wage and price controls and a waft of other regulations on the economy?

Are you denying that the Nazis asserted that the government had the right to regulate or control any business it wanted?

Are you denying that the Nazis moved to control or abolish private schools and moved to give the national government sole authority over education?

Are you denying that the Nazis were huge fans of Darwin and that they used his theory to justify the Holocaust? (By the way, are you aware that Darwin himself voiced the hope that blacks would be exterminated?)

Etc., etc., etc.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I destroyed sillygriffiths and his nonsense on page 6 #170

Here it is again.

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sillygriffiths writes that, "Conservative references to liberals as Nazis are valid for many reasons, some of which are outlined in the OP." Most conservatives do not do that. Reactionaries like sillygriffiths do. That is a fact.

sillygriffiths talks about "Brown-shirt-like hate campaigns" by a few on the left while ignoring the overwhelming traffic by his ilk on the Board alone. And that is a fact.

He ignores that the klan and white citizen council hate campaigns were led by Southern and Mid-western (mostly democratic) conservatives. And that is a fact.
sillygriffiths is going to keep getting all this kicked up his butt until he can fly right and apply terms and narrative fairly. And that is a fact.

 

[Liminal]

It is silly in the extreme to compare Bush's invasion of Iraq to Hitler's invasion of Europe, and I can't believe anyone would dare make such an absurd comparison in public.

Whether Bush was justified or misguided in invading Iraq, he invaded in order to try to bring democracy to Iraq. Once we toppled Saddam, we arranged for the Iraqi people to elect their own leaders, and that election inspired other Arab peoples to want to choose their own leaders as well. And when Iraq's leaders insisted that we leave, we agreed to leave. We didn't burn villages to the ground when attacks occurred near them. We didn't wrongfully imprison thousands of people for criticizing our presence. We didn't shut down critical newspapers and jail their editors for disagreeing with us. Etc., etc., etc. So it is just nuts to compare Bush's invasion of Iraq to Hitler's invasions of conquest and subjugation.

It is obvious that liberals on this board cannot refute the OP's points of resemblance between Nazi policies and American liberal policies. Those resemblances include, but are not limited to:

* Hostility toward religion (especially toward Christianity and Judaism).
* Opposition to federalism. The Nazis rejected the idea of states rights and sought to centralize all power in the hands of the national government. Until then, Germany had states--regions with a degree of autonomy. Hitler himself attacked the concept of states rights; he wanted an all-powerful national government.
* Trying to put education under the control of the national government.
* Slavish adherence to Darwinian evolution.
* Rejection of traditional moral values.
* The idea that the national government has the right to regulate or control virtually any business.
* Hostility toward private schools and home schooling.
* Support for legalized elective abortion (one of the first things the Nazis did was to loosen Germany's abortion laws--they had no problem with abortion, but they didn't want "pure Aryan women" to get abortion because they wanted more "pure Aryan offspring").
* Opposition to private gun ownership (except for certain people and groups). As long as you were viewed as friendly to the Nazi regime, you could own a gun, but if the Nazis even suspected you were opposed to them, they would not hesitate to ban you from owning firearms. Soon after taking power, the Nazis banned Jews from owning guns.
* Tolerance of homosexuality among high-ranking leaders.
* A willingness to use the force of law and/or intimidation to suppress views you find objectionable. For example, "hate speech" laws, bombarding Christian businesses with threats and hate mail, prosecuting Christians who have respectfully protested at gay rights rallies, and the recent--and shocking--attempt by the Houston city council to force Christian churches to hand over transcripts of their sermons for possible "hate speech" violations.
* A willingness to circumvent, if not ignore, the legislative branch and to rule by executive order. The Democrats have increasingly been moving toward rule by executive order, even to the point of suggesting that the President can implement a nuclear arms deal with Iran without the Senate's approval, can change immigration policy without Congressional approval, and can raise taxes without Congressional approval--in clear, indisputable violation of the Constitution.
* I might add that after the war, unrepentant Nazis condemned the formation of the state of Israel and continually voiced disgusting criticisms of Israel, and some liberals are increasingly starting to voice attacks on Israel that sound very much like the Nazi criticisms of Israel.

By the way, I wonder how many liberals know that the official name of the Nazi party was "National Socialist German Workers' Party." And Nazi propaganda viciously attacked capitalism as having "Jews at its core" and as being the Jews' tool of choice. When the Nazis took over, they said the government had the right to control the economy and to regulate or take over any business it wanted.

Can't refute? You have yet to substantiate any part of your so called arguments with anything but more opinions. Apparently you don't quite get the concept of proof.

You either can't read or you're just lying. My OP contains numerous links that provide plenty of evidence, most of it from Nazi sources and the rest from recently scholarly studies on Nazi Germany.

Have you read the links yet? If so, you know it is false to say that my arguments are based only on opinions. They are based on cold, hard, documented fact.

Are you denying that the Nazis liberalized abortion laws when they took power?

Are you denying that the Nazis violently persecuted Christian churches and Christians?

Are you denying that the Nazis rejected traditional moral values?

Are you denying that the Nazis rejected federalism and moved to concentrate all power in the hands of the national government?

Are you denying that the Nazis imposed wage and price controls and a waft of other regulations on the economy?

Are you denying that the Nazis asserted that the government had the right to regulate or control any business it wanted?

Are you denying that the Nazis moved to control or abolish private schools and moved to give the national government sole authority over education?

Are you denying that the Nazis were huge fans of Darwin and that they used his theory to justify the Holocaust? (By the way, are you aware that Darwin himself voiced the hope that blacks would be exterminated?)

Etc., etc., etc.

Looks like you had to abridge your list. Why is that? Can't you make up your mind?

 

[Liminal]

I destroyed sillygriffiths and his nonsense on page 6 #170

Here it is again.

==

sillygriffiths writes that, "Conservative references to liberals as Nazis are valid for many reasons, some of which are outlined in the OP." Most conservatives do not do that. Reactionaries like sillygriffiths do. That is a fact.

sillygriffiths talks about "Brown-shirt-like hate campaigns" by a few on the left while ignoring the overwhelming traffic by his ilk on the Board alone. And that is a fact.

He ignores that the klan and white citizen council hate campaigns were led by Southern and Mid-western (mostly democratic) conservatives. And that is a fact.
sillygriffiths is going to keep getting all this kicked up his butt until he can fly right and apply terms and narrative fairly. And that is a fact.

I'm still waiting for him to substantiate his wild claims about Nazis not being a right wing movement. Looks like I could wait forever.