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And where is that money going to come from? The government cannot pay people already and you think they can provide more jobs? What part of we are 14 Trillion in the hole is so difficult to understand. Jobs need to come from the private sector not the government. 10 jobs in the private sector gives the government tax dollars. 10 government jobs requires tax dollars.
Again I agree. Ideally, jobs should come from the private sector. But they aren't. And if they aren't, what then? They either come from the Government or they don't come from anywhere. I'd rather have Government jobs over no jobs, and I would bet many of the millions of people out of work agree with me.
No doubt, yes I want my family to eat next week............
But government jobs do not a recovery make.
The last stimulus did exactly what it was supposed to do. Can we all stick to the facts please?
Maybe Obama can sign a law mandating all Americans to have jobs.We are on the exact same path that the Japanese took in their lost decade, of running up huge government debts, artificially low interest rates, and failed government "stimulus" schemes. The morons in DC never learn from their mistakes.
Except this isn't considered a mistake. As I understand it, the stimulus plans the Japanese passed throughout the 90s kept them from dropping into a full depression on par with our own Great Depression. Taking that in to account, we should have stimulus this year and next year and then re-visit and see if consumers have paid down enough debt and are prepared to start spending again.
Consumers need jobs in order to start spending again. Is this really that difficult to understand?
The last stimulus did exactly what it was supposed to do. Can we all stick to the facts please?
Yes, it paid off Democrat cronies and special interest groups, exactly as designed.
Of course, it was sold to us as helping the economy. That didn't work out so well.
Helping people have affordable health care is WONDERFUL...but instead of doing things to make health care affordable...we got Obama Care which has made it more expensive while also lowering the quality of care. It crushes because the cost is going to be astronomical.
Please explain how Obamacare has made health care more expensive while lowering its quality.
Oh, God...we have to do this again? First of all, Obamacare didn't address tort reform...something that some health care experts estimate adds 25% in cost to doctor's office visits because of extra tests done only to protect physicians from law suits. Secondly, having to pay for coverage of people in high risk pools and young people under 26 being piggy backed on their parents insurance will raise everyone's insurance premiums, that's just common sense. Even Obama admitted as much when he made the following statement: "As a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people health care, at the margins that's going to increase our costs -- we knew that."
As for how it's going to lower the quality? You're adding 30,000.000 people to a system that's already overloaded while at the same time you're going to impose cuts to the monies that doctors and hospitals get from Medicare which is going to prompt many of them to put a limit on how may Medicare customers they will accept. So you tell me what happens when you increase the demand for services that much while at the same time you cut the money available to pay for those services? I'll tell you what happens...you get lower quality heath care. Longer waits and inferior services.
I love how you confuse wishful thinking with reality.The last stimulus did exactly what it was supposed to do. Can we all stick to the facts please?
Yes, it paid off Democrat cronies and special interest groups, exactly as designed.
Of course, it was sold to us as helping the economy. That didn't work out so well.
I love how you ignore reality.
Except this isn't considered a mistake. As I understand it, the stimulus plans the Japanese passed throughout the 90s kept them from dropping into a full depression on par with our own Great Depression. Taking that in to account, we should have stimulus this year and next year and then re-visit and see if consumers have paid down enough debt and are prepared to start spending again.
Consumers need jobs in order to start spending again. Is this really that difficult to understand?
I completely agree! I've been saying that forever! This is why I am in favour of stimulus that involves hiring people in some capacity. I'm in love with Obama's latest plan, but hiring more teachers and hiring people to fix schools will provide jobs and money for many who are out of work. It's not great, but it's better than nothing.
Please explain how Obamacare has made health care more expensive while lowering its quality.
Oh, God...we have to do this again? First of all, Obamacare didn't address tort reform...something that some health care experts estimate adds 25% in cost to doctor's office visits because of extra tests done only to protect physicians from law suits. Secondly, having to pay for coverage of people in high risk pools and young people under 26 being piggy backed on their parents insurance will raise everyone's insurance premiums, that's just common sense. Even Obama admitted as much when he made the following statement: "As a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people health care, at the margins that's going to increase our costs -- we knew that."
As for how it's going to lower the quality? You're adding 30,000.000 people to a system that's already overloaded while at the same time you're going to impose cuts to the monies that doctors and hospitals get from Medicare which is going to prompt many of them to put a limit on how may Medicare customers they will accept. So you tell me what happens when you increase the demand for services that much while at the same time you cut the money available to pay for those services? I'll tell you what happens...you get lower quality heath care. Longer waits and inferior services.
You'rea brainwashed moron. A. More like 2%, and it is addressed, with care guidelines that will cut down on sueing. Add more ANYTIME, dupe. B.Those people are already getting care- the most expensive kind, ER care. Without ANY contribution, except to bankrupcy lawyers...Our "system" costs twice as much as anyone else's, with a bullet. God you're dumb.
Japan's debt is THREE TIMES as high as ours. IDIOCY. ty
Obama and Liberals still don't get it.
The former stimulus didn't work....yet now they want to repeat the SAME mistake....just slap on a new name and change the amount...
SPENDING like that just adds to the Problem....it's not the Answer....SPENDING is why our country is in deep doodoo...we've been overspending ever since the liberal Great Society plan began in 1965...
Government spending only increases the size of government which only gets in the way of economic growth.....government spending does not create growth and real jobs...that's what private industry does...
Government needs to get out of the way.....lower corporate taxes, reduce regulations...
It is obvious that we are at an ideological crossroads.....Lefties want to spend more and increase the size of government which will crush, control, and enslave our free society.... while Conservatives want to stop excessive spending, reduce taxation, and the reduce amount of busybody job-killing interfering government, and set our people free...
The GOP wants to turn our Republic into a Plutocracy and that should be a much bigger worry to the average American.
The last stimulus did exactly what it was supposed to do. Can we all stick to the facts please?
Yes, it paid off Democrat cronies and special interest groups, exactly as designed.
Of course, it was sold to us as helping the economy. That didn't work out so well.
I love how you ignore reality.
Isn't the definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?"
Like trickle-down economics?
"Trickle down economics" is just a pejorative term for the free market. The historical record has shown time and time again that the free market works.
Socialism is what doesn't work.
Ok, now, seriously for a second. I hear this crap from you people all the damn time.
How exactly do we define what "Works" or "Doesn't work?"
Longevity? This country is 234 years old. Much of that 234 years was governed under policy more "Socialist" than what any lawmaker is proposing today.
The Roman Empire lasted 500 years and the Eastern Roman Empire for another 1000. Is that proof that dictatorship "Works?"
Honest question. What do you base this tripe on? Or is it just words?
Ok, now, seriously for a second. I hear this crap from you people all the damn time.
How exactly do we define what "Works" or "Doesn't work?"
Longevity? This country is 234 years old. Much of that 234 years was governed under policy more "Socialist" than what any lawmaker is proposing today.
The Roman Empire lasted 500 years and the Eastern Roman Empire for another 1000. Is that proof that dictatorship "Works?"
Honest question. What do you base this tripe on? Or is it just words?
I base it on our standard of living, dipstick.
The only time out country has been more socialist than it is today is during two world wars, and then it was a dictatorship with some goosestepping Democrat running the show. The closer we get to socialism, the slower our economy grows. The more social problems we have.
Socialism has failed stupendously every where it has ever been tried. Every last bit of wealth in this world above the level of bare subsistence is the result of private enterprise.
yes and a free capitalist market is what brought us out of itAbolish regulations,
set our people free...
Is this the future you want? This is our past. This is what the working American family looked like in 1900!
No more than you get paid for yours.Yes, it paid off Democrat cronies and special interest groups, exactly as designed.
Of course, it was sold to us as helping the economy. That didn't work out so well.
I love how you ignore reality.
Now now, people in high places pay big bucks for Daveman's opinion.
Obama and Liberals still don't get it.
The former stimulus didn't work....yet now they want to repeat the SAME mistake....just slap on a new name and change the amount...
SPENDING like that just adds to the Problem....it's not the Answer....SPENDING is why our country is in deep doodoo...we've been overspending ever since the liberal Great Society plan began in 1965...
Government spending only increases the size of government which only gets in the way of economic growth.....government spending does not create growth and real jobs...that's what private industry does...
Government needs to get out of the way.....lower corporate taxes, reduce regulations...
It is obvious that we are at an ideological crossroads.....Lefties want to spend more and increase the size of government which will crush, control, and enslave our free society.... while Conservatives want to stop excessive spending, reduce taxation, and the reduce amount of busybody job-killing interfering government, and set our people free...
Japan faced an economic crisis very similar to the one we face now, 20 years ago. The decided to artificially lower interest rates, prop up failing companies deemed "too big to fail", engage in massive deficit spending, and use "stimulus" programs. Sound familiar???We are on the exact same path that the Japanese took in their ‘lost decade,’ of running up huge government debts, artificially low interest rates, and failed government "stimulus" schemes. The morons in DC never learn from their mistakes.
Except this isn't considered a mistake. As I understand it, the stimulus plans the Japanese passed throughout the 90s kept them from dropping into a full depression on par with our own Great Depression. Taking that in to account, we should have stimulus this year and next year and then re-visit and see if consumers have paid down enough debt and are prepared to start spending again.
The only trouble with the case for the fed above is is that if the cost of creating so many government jobs robs small businesses (and large) of the wherewithall to hire more people, then truly, things will never, never get better.Again I agree. Ideally, jobs should come from the private sector. But they aren't. And if they aren't, what then? They either come from the Government or they don't come from anywhere. I'd rather have Government jobs over no jobs, and I would bet many of the millions of people out of work agree with me.
No doubt, yes I want my family to eat next week............
But government jobs do not a recovery make.
This is a tough one. Like I said, I think now, a government job is better than no job at all. But, once the private sector starts really going again and expanding and hiring, then absolutely we should shrink the size of government by laying people off and letting them get jobs in the private sector.
