dudmuck
Diamond Member
Lets say that Obama had reached out to Iran for help in finding dirt on Trump in an effort to discredit him during the 2016 election and give Hillary the edge.
Wouldnt that be impeachable?
NO. Why would it be? Maybe you need to talk with Alan Dershowitz to see what's a crime and what's impeachable.
Hillary hired Russians to find dirt on Trump, created the Steele Dossier, and the FBI said that was fine.
Hillary never used the dossier during the campaign. Dossier was only known after Trump assumed office. Purchasing opposition research is legal, shady but legal.
This is different than permitting (or asking) a foreign government from interfering in our election.
Hillary did use the Steele Dossier. It was shopped all over the place but the MSM didn't use it because it was unverified, and Trump would have sued their ass off.
Then again, the FBI used it to obtain illegal FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.
Then we have the Obama admin mis-using the intel agencies and foreign assets to setup the Trump campaign.
Trump did not ask the Ukraine to interfere in the US election, Joe Biden's confession on video doesn't need an explanation.
Rudy has an affidavit from the fired prosecutor that explains the firing.
Bernie is gone, Joe is gone, looks like Pocahontas has the ball.
Watch how the MSM protects her and keeps attacking Trump. Just like 2016.
By the third quarter of 2016 many news organizations knew about the existence of the dossier, which had been described as an "open secret" among journalists, but chose not to publish information that could not be confirmed.
The news of dossier was washed out by Comey's re-opening of hillary email issue a week before voting for president.
FBI chief: No evidence of illegal spying on Trump campaign
This is from Wray, a Trump appointee.
It was an intelligence investigation, protecting ourselves from a foreign attack.
Trump asked Zelensky to help him win.
Why? because there's no evidence of Biden's wrongdoing.
Viktor Shokin wasnt fired just because of Biden, it was also our ally countries that wanted him out. So our ally countries are just as "guilty".
Vitaliy Kasko, who had been Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation, told Bloomberg that the investigation (of Burisma) was dormant.
Good discussion so far, keeping the facts rolling along:
1. I'm always mystified by Comey's actions in 2016, why give Hillary a pass on her obvious crimes for lack of "intent", just to fuck that up with the announcement that they may have found "classified" emails on Uma Abedin's laptop?! WTF?? (of which there were none, supposedly)
2. Wray may have been told by the deep staters still in the FBI that there was no illegal spying on the Trump campaign, but we all know that McCabe said under oath that without the Steele Dossier the FBI would not have applied for a FISA warrant. Barr, Durham, Huber, and Horowitz will get to the bottom of any wrongdoing by the FBI and DOJ. Stay tuned, indictments coming for the coup plotters.
3. Trump did not ask Zelensky "to help him win". Trump asked for Zelensky to look into what the Ukraine did in the 2016 election to help Hillary Clinton and hurt Trump's candidacy. He also asked Z to look into the Biden request to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma, where Hunter Biden was getting $50,000 a month. Was that a legitimate request? Giuliani has a sworn affidavit from that prosecutor saying that the firing was illegal. It remains to be seen how that will play out, but Biden's video confession is damning. I can't find proof that Joe was acting honorably at the behest of the EU or WTO or Obama, etc.
There is a lot of old 2016 stuff to look into, as well as new 2020 stuff. The House may even vote on impeachment?! Should be an interesting year or two.
1) you weren't discussing hillary emails, you were on the dossier. The dossier is raw intelligence, it was used only to justify further investigation.
2) why are you bringing up McCabe? This is Wray saying the intellegence investigation wasnt spying. The FISA warrant was used to keep tabs on Carter Page, and these FISA warrants on Page existed long before Page joined the Trump campaign. The FBI has the job of investigating foreign influence in our election, that is the justification.
3) Giuliani affidavit? Affidavits dont exist.
Trump's Ukraine envoy 'warned Giuliani that Biden corruption claims were not credible'
Yet pushed for investigation without any credible evidence.
Show me the evidence.